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    WTF?? I was googling trying to find info about children being put to sleep at the dentist and came upon this.

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    woah, woah, WOAH! what? Se I was discussing this with my husband, about having Euthanasia for ill, terminal patients and told him in a way I think it would be great in those instances and mentioned that in The Netherlands, and even oh crap I can't remember the state but here there is a state that does it and he said "It will be a bad idea because people will try to get around it in a bad way" and he was right!

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    This was written in 2004!

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    Consider the source, guys.

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    I recommend the book "War Against the Weak" if this topic interests you.
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    The article strikes me as being largely sensationalised - Id be delving much deeper from other sources to get a real perspective on the situation.

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    sorry,didn't know it was so old..i was just surprised.

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    *snip*

    "10 cases per year
    Groningen estimated the protocol would be applicable in about 10 cases per year in the Netherlands, a country of 16 million people."

    *snip*

    And that's including men, women, and children.

    Somehow, I don't think this is going to have the insane snowball effect everyone expects it to. Reading the MSNBC article, it sounds as though they handled it fairly effectively even back then. They made sure to mention that these were people who basically had the option to die, or have procedures that might extend their lives by minutes, days, or weeks...Not years...minutes, days, or weeks.

    I know I sound cruel...I just often think that the case against taking people off life support and/or euthanasia has more to do with placating the family rather than respecting the wishes of dying.

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    You're taking the weekly standard seriously?

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    ^^Meh. She provided an article from MSNBC shortly after.

    Not that ANY of the major news sources are all that reliable these days...

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    Ah, yes, from the minds of the neocons.

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    Is this a better link?

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    You've obviously never seen the other side. I've seen preemies who threaten to suffocate with every breath they take because they're under a pound and are just not ready for this world. I've seen terminal pediatric cancer in kids who do not know how to cope. There are situations that are much, much worse than death. In this country, we're allowed to put our pets to sleep to put them out of misery. We humans aren't allowed such a dignity.

    Dr. Kevorkian is my hero. I am a firm supporter of euthanasia as long as it is a voluntary decision made by the individual.

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    I agree^^ I think if a person is in a great amount of pain and are suffering the decision should be up to them, or family members if the person cannot make the decision themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirtystrumpet View Post
    Ah, yes, from the minds of the neocons.
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    Anyhoo just like I am pro-abortion, I am pro euthanasia. Can't be a hypocrite. there are fates worse than death, to be trapped in a non functional body with no hope of ever leaving a hospital bed. Thats hell in my definition.

    I see life support as a weak cop out for the family. The family gets to continue the existence of the sick family member to avoid the grief and loss when they pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    I see life support as a weak cop out for the family. The family gets to continue the existence of the sick family member to avoid the grief and loss when they pass.

    That's your opinion and you have your right to it..But have people not come out of comas ? I battled cancer for 4 years and there were times when I was told to check into a hospice and prepare to die. Imagine if I'd listened to that bs and accepted my death sentence..Maybe, I'm too much of a fighter to believe the hype.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farrah_Holiday View Post
    That's your opinion and you have your right to it..But have people not come out of comas ? I battled cancer for 4 years and there were times when I was told to check into a hospice and prepare to die. Imagine if I'd listened to that bs and accepted my death sentence..Maybe, I'm too much of a fighter to believe the hype.
    But YOU were still alive and cognizent and able to make decisions for yourself.

    I look at cases like Terry Shiavo and am grateful the option of ending life support/euthenasia exists.

    I would fight like hell to survive...but once there is no hope...I dont want to be trapped in a vegetative state indefinately.

    The longer I am kept alive..the more likely it is that less f my organs will be able to be harvested to save others lives.

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    One of the reasons that the USA has a higher infant mortality rate is because we believe in saving these grossly premature babies. When I say grossly premature, I don't mean some of you who were a couple months early and were able to grow up healthy and functional. I'm talking about babies who really should have been considered miscarriages, like 20 week babies who are almost guaranteed to grow up to be blind, retarded, and have cerebral palsy and chronic lung problems. I've read up on them, and a lot of the parents have a nasty shock later in life. At first, it's all about the battle of saving the baby. It's not over just because the kid can go home due to these long-term sequalae.

    Oh Farrah, I completely agree with Cameron. You had something left. Some people don't. I'm not just talking about cancer. I worked in a nursing home/hospice with some terminal cancer patients and a lot of Terri Schiavos. I have ordered the members of SW to shoot me if I ever end up like any of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirtystrumpet View Post
    Ah, yes, from the minds of the neocons.
    You need to get your factions straight.

    Given the puff up over the Terry Shivo case, it is the liberals who are pro-euthanasia if you wish to label group-think.

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    ^Yep, the Bush clan was all up in arms about protecting the "sanctity of life."

    Man, for a party who claims not to get too involved, they sure get into your bedroom and life decisions a lot.

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    ^^I agree I have worked ina nursing home as an CNA and also hospitals and somepeople hang on to family members that they need to let go but they can't so they keep them alive on machines in hopes that something will change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farrah_Holiday View Post
    That's your opinion and you have your right to it..But have people not come out of comas ? I battled cancer for 4 years and there were times when I was told to check into a hospice and prepare to die. Imagine if I'd listened to that bs and accepted my death sentence..Maybe, I'm too much of a fighter to believe the hype.
    Like was already mentioned, you were cognizant, aware of your situations and surroundings, thus capable of making your own decisions. Yes people have come out of comas, occasionally after years. Their cases were not hopeless very often, the body resets after a shock and they wake up.

    There are children as well as adults that will never be healthy or capable of anything beyond existing in a hospital bed. There a tragic cases of congenital birth defects, which even with the best of the best medicine, will never be anything but hopeless. I can't fathom the people that have a child that is 100% disabled and dependent on them for Life itself. What will they do in the following years when they need care and the child now an adult lives. To those Parents I say try again or if the chances are nto good in the future, adopt.

    Maybe the Spartans were not so barbaric after all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    But YOU were still alive and cognizent and able to make decisions for yourself.

    I look at cases like Terry Shiavo and am grateful the option of ending life support/euthenasia exists.

    I would fight like hell to survive...but once there is no hope...I dont want to be trapped in a vegetative state indefinately.

    The longer I am kept alive..the more likely it is that less f my organs will be able to be harvested to save others lives.

    In my case, yes I was alive and still am..Because I didn't listen to the doctors and searched until I found someone with my interests in mind. If I'd taken their advice I'd have checked myself into a hospice and given up..IMO THAT would've killed me. People act like doctors are gods and what they say has to be accepted.
    I've had 2 personal friends come out of comas and my older sister..One was shot in the head and was in a coma for 2 months, the other overdosed on alcohol and was under for a week. The same thing happened to my older sister, she got drunk with a bunch of friends and on her walk home passed out hitting her head against something, it smashed part of her face and knocked out her front tooth, her heart was extremely week and her kidneys had stopped functioning. My mom called us and told my dad she was in a coma and she wouldn't make it (again according to the doctors) my mom, was going to give her until the morning and then pull the cords. My dad got pissed off at the news, hung up the phone, told me to get in the car and we rushed to the hospital..Thankfully he stepped in, she came out about 3 days later. She has a scar on her face not really noticible and of course her tooth doesn't match any of the others but, IMO thats very minor shit. She's here and that's what REALLY matters.

    Through my life and life experiences (events I've personally witnessed), I've learned to never under estimate the power of the human spirit and it's desire to live. There are certain cases, where death might be a better option..ie a child being born with it's brain outside of it's body and it can't be safely put in. However even children who've been born with their organs outside of their bodies have gone on to live successful lives. In many countries cancer is still viewed as a death sentence and nothing is do to save that person..It still happens in this country..There are people with out proper health insurance denied life saving procedures. Even those with health insurance are often denied the same thing, they then have to sue the insurance companies and often end up dying before the suit is ever heard.
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    I did not read through all of this. I have however spent many years working with "developmentally disabled" (a PC term for mentally damaged) children, and adults. What I can say is this... nature is a complete and utter bitch, and if you are one of the unlucky ones born with damaged genes, or damaged early in life, the possible futures ahead vary from mildly slow to horrendous on levels I doubt you can comprehend (and guaranteed you won't see on the PC-everything-is-love news). Once you see someone spend their days and nights in torment defecating on themselves; eating their own body; operating on a level below a simple animal; I won't continue... you'll realize that only a black and white mind believes that euthenasia on children is always wrong.

    Who gets to make the call? Sadly this requires facing the fact that there are no perfect answers, but keeping babies alive, at all costs, completely blind of the fact that were it not for medical intervention they would have mercifully died, is it's own kind of insane self-back-patting stupidity.

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