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    As many of you may know my little dog has been really sick. She had bladder stones now she has a cyst on her right kidney and renal calculas. I just got her out of the hospital again yesterday. She is doing some better but still has some blood in her urine from the cyst. The cyst was apparantly blocking her kidney. She is on antibiotics now because she also had sepsis. She has a lump over her right hip which turns out to be mostly fatty tissue with a bit of inflammation. I recently discovered two more lumps on the side of her abdomen.

    I am pretty upset and angry about this. She is only two years old! Her parents were both champions. I even use to show her. Could this be a result of improper breeding or inbreeding?

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    AKC means nothing. All it means is that your dog has no other breeds in her bloodline..it has no guarentee of health whatsoever.

    If you have a copy of her ancestry..check it to see if the same name appears often..or if inbreeding has occured.

    It may be that there is no inbreeding...she just lost the genetic lottery and wound up sickly. Or the breeder was irresponsible and bred sick dogs(which sadly is VERY common).

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    Default Re: AKC dogs, close breeding=health problems?

    I'm sorry to hear she's having so many health problems.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    AKC means nothing. All it means is that your dog has no other breeds in her bloodline..it has no guarentee of health whatsoever.

    If you have a copy of her ancestry..check it to see if the same name appears often..or if inbreeding has occured.

    It may be that there is no inbreeding...she just lost the genetic lottery and wound up sickly. Or the breeder was irresponsible and bred sick dogs(which sadly is VERY common).
    I only have a three generation pedigree. I don't see any repeat in names on it. There are DNA numbers provided on it. Can I check the DNA numbers for illnesses?

    I saw all the breeder's animals when I bought Bella and at a few shows. Other than ear mites Bella didn't have any ailments when I bought her. The other dogs looked fine but I guess you never know for sure.

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    The problem is usually not close breeding, it's usually people breeding for money or other bad reasons. Hybrid vigor is a farce, as is the assumption that a pedigree = quality. Papers mean nothing, like cameron said.

    What breed is your dog, and parents were champions in what? Usually "champion" means a dog that has done well in conformation however some breeders will call their dogs champions for winning a class in some hokey show.

    I am of the opinion that people should either adopt or get a dog from a responsible breeder, which must be carefully screened and you can expect to be on a waiting list and spend around $1000 for.

    Some breeds do get ruined, but that is more for overbreeding for a current fad than for breeding too closely. Cocker spaniels and dalmatians are great examples and I believe golden retrievers and many other breeds are going the same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iambonbon05 View Post
    The problem is usually not close breeding, it's usually people breeding for money or other bad reasons. Hybrid vigor is a farce, as is the assumption that a pedigree = quality. Papers mean nothing, like cameron said.

    What breed is your dog, and parents were champions in what? Usually "champion" means a dog that has done well in conformation however some breeders will call their dogs champions for winning a class in some hokey show.

    I am of the opinion that people should either adopt or get a dog from a responsible breeder, which must be carefully screened and you can expect to be on a waiting list and spend around $1000 for.

    Some breeds do get ruined, but that is more for overbreeding for a current fad than for breeding too closely. Cocker spaniels and dalmatians are great examples and I believe golden retrievers and many other breeds are going the same way.
    Well said!!!! Great Danes now suffer terribly at the hands of breeders. AKC/UKC means shit! Champion means shit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iambonbon05 View Post
    The problem is usually not close breeding, it's usually people breeding for money or other bad reasons. Hybrid vigor is a farce, as is the assumption that a pedigree = quality. Papers mean nothing, like cameron said.

    What breed is your dog, and parents were champions in what? Usually "champion" means a dog that has done well in conformation however some breeders will call their dogs champions for winning a class in some hokey show.

    I am of the opinion that people should either adopt or get a dog from a responsible breeder, which must be carefully screened and you can expect to be on a waiting list and spend around $1000 for.

    Some breeds do get ruined, but that is more for overbreeding for a current fad than for breeding too closely. Cocker spaniels and dalmatians are great examples and I believe golden retrievers and many other breeds are going the same way.
    My little girl is a shih-tzu. I have a pedigree on her that has the AKC seal on it. Both of her parents were champions in confirmation. I bought her for 1000 dollars. I had a handler on her for a while and she was shown. I use to show her some myself as well. She has 4 points. She is beautiful but falling apart. She is the most perfect animal I have ever owned. Her temperament and disposition are excellent. I love her so very much. I don't know what I'd do if anything were to happen to her. I posted something about her on one of the yahoo groups (shih-tzusownershandlers). Most of the top shot handlers who show at the Westminster and owners who have the top shih-tzu in the country post there. The people on there know of me and definately know who I bought from. I want them to know she is breeding sick animals.

    It's ironic too that my boy whom I gave to my ex-husband because they were so attached to one another was also from similiar lines (Ming Dynasty). My ex has spent a couple grand on his eye because of retinal tears/detachment. He is only 3.I've spent more than that on her.

    Then there's my oldest shih-tzu I bought before I knew anything about breeders/AKC and all that bullshit. I bought her at the flea market. She is four now. She hasn't had one health problem.

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    In that case that is very, very sad. I don't know what exact health issues your dog is suffering from but if they are genetic and her relatives are known carriers, that is completely inexcusable. Not everything can be predicted however your poor little girl is suffering and no matter how nice a dog is conformationally it is immoral to breed them if they have any genetic issues. I'm really sorry, and I do think it's a good move to let others know about these breeders if they are at fault. Health comes first, all the beauty in the world doesn't matter if the dog is already suffering at age two, particularly for a companion breed like your own.

    I don't think the AKC tracks health problems except possibly for rampant epidemics. I think you can check records to see how a dog scored on hip and CERF tests etc but it sounds like your problem is unrelated and probably is no record except for finding out if her relatives had similar issues.

    I can relate- I have a very poorly bred Aussie I got from the animal shelter whose knees are in terrible shape and my Sheltie, supposedly show bred (bull shit she's ugly!) has cataracts. On the other hand, my sister's who-knows-what from the shelter is conformationally perfect in the functional sense and is nine years old and has had zero issues.
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    Mmm.... 9 times out of 10 if there is a genetic issue with an inbred dog, it's going to be there from birth. Bad hips, an under bite, etc. The issues you're describing aren't usually associated with genetic issues caused by poor breeding choices.
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    Default Re: AKC dogs, close breeding=health problems?

    I agree with Paige..Certain breeds are just known for particular ailments. What does your vet say about the dogs condition ?
    Have you contacted the breeder ? If so what does he/she have to say ?

    I'm sorry you're going through a hard time right now with your baby, I hope she feels better soon. I lost my Prince early this year and I know how hard it can be, I'm finally ready to get another one. I'll be contacting the same breeder when I do.
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    I did contact the breeder when the problem first occurred. She denied any similiar problems in her other dogs/bitches.

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    I'm getting ready to leave for work but I wanted to say that I hope everything turns out ok with her. Your babies have it made with you and they seem sooooo happy! You can definitely tell they are spoiled lol. I don't have any advice, I just wanted you to know that you're a good mommy

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    ^^ Aww, thank you.

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