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Last edited by Joplin; 10-01-2008 at 04:36 PM.
Yeah, it frustrated me at first to work at a club with no set rate for CR, but think about it this way -- you can set the rate at whatever you want. There are lots of girls at the club, like you, who sit with guys back there for however long and then start haggling for a tip at the end. I guess this is OK if you are the really agressive type. It's my experience, though, that once guys are ready to leave, the time they spent with you is suddenly worth less to them. For me, it's waaaay harder to talk them into a big tip after-the-fact. Some girls brag about how they cried or made a scene to get a big tip, but I would hate that. I like to keep things simple and straight-forward.
I always, always, always state a rate to the guy up front. I usually charge around $150 an hour, but with some guys you can ask for more. If you have the feeling the guy has lots of money, you might want to start high -- say "I usually charge $xxx...is that OK?" If he indicates it's too expensive, you might come down a little bit. "Well, I really like you and want to go back there with you...how about $[slightly lower ammount]" Everybody likes to feel like they're getting a bargain, and because there is not set rate for our CR, you can do this.
150 an hour? I don't think that's enough. You can get $200/half hour easily from most guys, but if it's slow maybe reduce it a little if that will close the sale, but only as an hour rate (i.e. $300 for an hour so you don't have to compromise your basic $200/30 min rate.) That includes dances and your time.
just out of curiousity, do guys know you can charge your own price? Do you say the price with certainty? Don't let them know they can negotiate the price.
We set our own rates for the CR. I charge anywhere from $300-$500 an hour depending on how busy it is. Just tell them the price when they ask how much it is. If they say anything about the club charging x amount, just tell them that is for the room/champagne and you don't get any of that. I would def. charge more than $150 for the hour though.





Well I've never worked in a club with a set rate for CR. The guy just buys the champagne and the girls sets her rate. I do $200/hr + $40/dance if he wants any dances while we're back there. Some girls just charge for dances, some girls don't even do any dances, just sit and talk with the custy (I've done that, it's fun). Most of the girls in my current club do $100/hr, but to put up with someone boring and irritating for an hour, I need more! lol
This is where your haggling skills come into play. We DO have a set rate but its more for credit (funny money) so I say:
30 minutes is $350 BUT if you pay in cash its ONLY $275.
You have the option to haggle and I see that as a positive. Start high and work your way down (but always have a set minimum)
Well, The back is $500 an hour and includes a bottle of champagne and unlimited dances. They say its too much - "Well, what do you think Im worth" *smile* *shoulder rub* All I have is $300. "I never do this but for YOU Id do an hour for $400 because I know wed have a great time and I like you"
Blah blah blah... its all sales skills..... damn I would LOVE the option of setting my own rate
The $100 is unlimited? Its just to get back there? Not per hr or hhr? Thats freakin awesome... Makes me want to try dancing in Austin even more.
Heh. Well, maybe I should consider raising my rates. I usually work the slower nights, though (Sunday thru Tuesday) when making $150 an hour is far from guaranteed. Then once we're back there, the guy will almost always stay for more than an hour--sometimes several hours-- so I make a tidy sum by the time it's over. I've made a grand like this before, which I know isn't that great for some girls, but is pretty good for me.
By all means, if it's a busy night, charge at least what you think you could make in an hour, maybe plus tip. Also, you can charge more to out-of-towners from areas where expensive CR time is normal, but local guys who know the club (at least in my experience) won't generally go for more than $150/hr. (Give it a shot, though. YMMV) Unfortunately, there is a culture at the club of girls sitting and talking for hours for free or for whatever the guy is willing to pay them at the end of the night. Some guys are offended even to be asked to pay for time. Ah well. Screw 'em, I say.
I steer clear of that whole crowd, honestly. Guys who are club regulars -- there all the time and close with management -- sometimes think that because they've spent money there over the years, now everything should be free. (I've actually had guys pull this..."Do you know how much money I spend at this club?" Buddy, unless you spent it on me personally, I do not care.) Also, if you ever have a disagreement with a customer, you don't want management siding with him because they're "friends."
Don't worry about being laughed at. Just say, "I usually make $x an hour, so if I'm not getting at least that while I'm sitting here, then I'm losing money." If they don't understand, or pretend not to, they're not going to pay you well anyway. Better you find out ahead of time than after you've wasted three hours with them, right?
There are plenty of guys who come in there who are not part of the whole P10 buddy system -- dudes in from out of town and guys with something better to do than hang out at a strip club every day who just happen to like to come in and spend time with you. Look for them.
Yeah, I'v been a little hazy on that too.. The only times I've been back there have been with regulars and those guys always seem to have to call one of the managers over to tell them a story or something to let me know that they know the management really well. Stupid. The whole champagne room/VIP room is such a gray area to me, I rarely go back there..
I've gotten so many VIP guys that don't even have half the money to spend the other guys on the floor do. They (some, not all) feel that because they've spent so much to sit back there, they don't really need to spend on the dancers.
1) It may not work with regulars that know the ropes (and how to get around paying!) Would work better with out of towners and guys who dont know how it works.
2) I highly doubt youll get *laughed* at but this is a time for negotiating. Set up a minimum amount of dances. OK, we go back there and its $XX per dance. If after an hour you havent made your minimum then you leave. Dont sit back there 3 hrs to make $100. If its been 30 minutes and youve only made $60 and youre pushing for dances and theyre not biting then leave (theyre just wasting your time). And if they paid $100 to get back there they may be more willing to buy more dances since it seems a waste to spend $160 for 2-3 dances (I dont know what you charge per dance)
Make sure they understand its $100 to get INTO VIP (if theyre not spending) It does not include your time. Youre there to make money not make the CLUB money.
You should make at a MINIMUM $100 hhr and I mean that as a bare minimum. Better to make $150-200.
We have regular CR (set amounts 15, 30, 60 min) but we also have the Glass Booth which is kind of like this. Its $500 to the club to rent to booth - includes booze but the girls have to negotiate rate whether per dance or per hr or flat rate for the night. Its quite interesting....
At least youre is only $100 and not FIVE HUNDRED! Ive seen girls get guys up there - hang for 2-3 hrs and not get paid up front. Guy uses debit card... has a limit and girl does not get paid. Club has a get paid up front rule (even tho its never followed on floor dances) but since she did not have his card charged when she set up the booth she just wasted time and made nothing.
The thing about P-10's and Austin in general is that its not typical to have to pay a girl for her time in VIP--or anywhere else. Our VIP is not special, its just one big area where girls come and go much like the rest of the club. Guys are accustomed to paying the regular rate of $20 per dance, so don't expect to be able to sell the time slots too easily. Most of them know the price. Likely you will get a few confused dipshits who will assume you are negotiating for extras. It might work on out-of towners, but Austin regulars will probably just think you are being greedy.
Wah sorry! I'm sure it does work some of the time so it can't hurt to try!
Like if you have a regular or a custy who is just nuts about you, you can sometimes get away with charging by your time instead of by the dance. You have to sell it like you are the most popular girl and so in demand though. --But its a risk, he might think you are too pushy and be turned off.
Generally, as a cold sale I think it would be very tough and random customers will be put out. However, if a customer comes back to the club just for you, THEN you can make the offer and he will likely take you up on it.
Also, towards the end of the night its gets easier and sometimes you can get a guy to pay you to stick with him for the last hour or half hour. But its also easier to sell dances then so be sure you ask for enough $$$ to make it worth your while.
Blah, maybe I'm just being poopy cause the last regular I had paying me a flat rate got cheap on me recently. I'm sure there is some way to make this work. I know I'm not the best saleswoman....
Last edited by Zabrina; 10-24-2007 at 09:16 PM. Reason: spelling retardo
Oh - its a room? I get it
Well, I wonder why dances back there arent 3/$100 since its a special place you have to pay to get into. Why are they the same price as the main floor?
I would updale 3/$100 dances to out of towners - wont work with regulars but Im sure you can do it to others...
^Yeah one big room with couches. The only real upgrade is the couch, plus its quieter.... and there are more dark corners.....
Usually its just a pain in the ass 'cause the guys feel like they should be getting more, they feel entitled to grab and grope--Yet the money for us is the same.
Our VIP arrangement really sucks.
Think of it as a game. Try different things until you find one that works and tell no one. Im sure theres a couple girls that have it figured out. Watch them closely.
Joplin yes go for it! I'm sure with the right charisma it can be done.
Have we met in the club? What do you dance by? I'm Mariah.
Was there on Thursday night but took off early. Say hi if you see me or I'll introduce myself if I recognize you first.
Wow there are lots of P10s girls on the board!



I charge $200/30 min $300/hr when the opportunity shows itself. Most of the guys back there know better though, and are a pain in the ass who want to spend the regular $20 a song. You have to deal with so much more shit back there, it really isn't worth it unless the club is slow or they're paying you hourly. It isn't really the culture of our club to sell by the hour though, but when you do be confident and you WILL get your price. I'm a snotty little bitch when it comes to the CR. I can't say enough how confidence and a sense of entitlement to their wallets and ATM cards will help.
^^Really? Damn. I'm definitely raising my rates now!
If you can get a guy to give you more than you would make in an hour, it's worth it. If he won't, then it's not. If someone is really egging you to go back there, just explain that you HAVE to make what you make on the floor, or you can't go. Don't feel bad about letting them know that (while you [I]just love[I] spending time with them, of course) you are there to work, not to hang out. Any decent customer knows this already. Anyone who pretends to feel hurt that you are "all about the money" is just trying to guilt you into giving something away. This is your signal that you're sitting with a crappy customer. Bail.
Damn, when this thread started I was all HELLL YES I gotta drive up to Austin to work! I would love to hustle me some CR at my own price! But the more it went on, the less likely it seems. I know this is probably its own topic but how does P10 compare to, like Expose or Yellow Rose as far as the CR goes?
P10 does have seperate areas for VIP and CR. I beleive Palazzio also has a seperate VIP, but I'm not sure what's up with that place now. Anyone want to chime in?
I think Joy's has a VIP also. Of course, the rumor is always that all kinds of nastiness is happening in the Joy's VIP, but that could just be talk. I've never worked there.
Yellow Rose, like Liz says, is all one area. VIP is just the area closest to the stage, from what I remember. (Right, Liz?) Sugar's is the same way.
I want to add that it's NOT impossible to get paid for time in the CR at P10. You just have to make a strategic decision about it. If it's slow, then getting one customer to part with a lump of money is a decent stragety. Ditto if it's a customer you KNOW will stay back there with you for several hours. Just know how much you can make in an hour and ask for that. If you can't get it, it's not worth going back there.
wow, maybe this is me being a naive Kansas girl, but how many girls do you work with to where you don't know everyone on the shift? I'm amazed... :-)
^^^ At my club in particular over 400 girls work there... but only 60ish per shift... too many girls dropping by for a night to keep track of names...
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