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    Hi there

    Untill now, I've always talked to a customer for a song or to about the weather, his job (normal stuff) etc. before I ask I he wants to go for a dance. Lately it hasn't been working though


    Would it be better just to cut the crap, get straight to the point and start out with something like 'so, how would you like to see me being naughty?' ?

    How many of you small talk about OTC-stuff (weather, how the weekend's going etc) and how many of you go straight to the point? And what works best after your oppinion?

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    Unfortunately, there's no magic formula, or none that I've found. You have to feel each customer out. Everything you say should have a bit of a naughty/flirtatious flavor, but no need to get all hardcore with it unless the customer is headed the direction. Like if you sit down and the first thing he asks is if you're nipples are hard or the like.

    Usually, though not always, guys who get dirty right away are going to be handsy and/or cheap. But on the up side, they're clearly in the mood already, so ask for a dance quickly, make your money, and get away as fast as you can.

    I really wouldn't suggest weather as a topic of conversation unless you can find a way to sex it up a bit, like talking about how you took advantage of the sun to tan topless, or the temperature was so nice you just hated to put on clothes, etc. I really don't suggest asking about his job, either, unless HE brings it up. Some guys are proud of their work and like to talk about it, but as many or more guys want to forget about work. They may also think you're trying to guess how much money they make, and be offended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xoxoGracexoxo View Post
    You have to feel each customer out.
    Out, but not up?
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    I'm pretty much no bullshit, but not rude at all. I'm very nice, polite, and classy. I do like some conversation in the beginning of my shift. If I'm really enjoying my time with the customer, I make extra talk, of course, and play along with, cuddle, etc... but I'm pretty much all business.



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    search. tons of topics on "how to ask for dances".

    Love it!

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    Default Re: How many of you cut the crap?

    ^^^ I think her question was legitimate. Sometimes I think nobody posts in Hustle Hut anymore because so many topics have already been discussed at one point or another they aren't allowed to bring it up again. When a thread is new people sometimes add new information too.

    To the OP: I usually make small talk but I know some dancers who often close in only a few seconds. They get rejected a lot too, though. I have a higher closing rate.

    If your old technique isn't working maybe you're not in the right mindset. Try to remember and review in your mind past successful sales???

    And SMILE.

    Edit: I also tend to close at a much higher rate when I talk about sports. The Red Sox are winning the world series right now. They are playing against the Colorado Rockies. Cowboys and Packers are having a good football season.

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    I limit 'the crap' to the remainder of the song that was playing when I approached him, or the next one if I got there at the end of one. Then I cut all conversation short and ask if hes ready for our dances.

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    I might talk to a guy for 30-45 seconds before asking for a dance. Most of the time I don't even sit down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinatalie View Post
    I limit 'the crap' to the remainder of the song that was playing when I approached him, or the next one if I got there at the end of one. Then I cut all conversation short and ask if hes ready for our dances.

    Exactly what I do. And I find I get the highest rate of yes's this way. Some girls seem to think that if you sit there and talk longer he'd feel more obligated to buy a dance. I find the longer you wait the easier he finds it to say no.

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    ^^There definitey is a point of diminishing returns on the time that you spend. Dances are an impulse purchase. You don't want to give them too much time to think about it. Sometimes a reluctant guy can be cajoled with the length of an extra song, but much more than that is a waste.

    To the OP's original question, I don't think you necessarily need to lay on the dirty talk to make a quick sale, unless it comes naturally to you. A lot of guys are turned off by what they perceive as artificial sexiness. Be flirty, be fun, and move quickly.

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    I'm forced to. I'm a minor and in Oregon I can't talk to anybody unless I'm on the stage or in the private dance room. So yeah, it's pretty much stage then going along the rack asking for dances as the next girl comes on.
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    Default Re: How many of you cut the crap?

    I just read the person.. If a guy is like oogling me, mentions me to come over, I'll bullshit for a couple moments then go in for the kill.

    If a guy I approach is a little apprehensive, I sweeten him up for a couple minutes then go in for the kill...

    So, sometimes cutting the crap saves u time to go onto the next victim, sometimes it cuts ur own throat.

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    Default Re: How many of you cut the crap?

    Just a quick FYI:

    Anytime a dancer uses the word "naughty" in her approach to me, I know the dance I'll get will be the opposite of naughty. Might want to change that line. I, for one, don't need chit chat to sell me a dance: if you're my body type, I'll try you for a dance or two, and if you're not, it doesn't matter what you say or (facetiously) offer me.

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    Anytime a dancer uses the word "naughty" in her approach to me, I know the dance I'll get will be the opposite of naughty.
    More often than not, I'd say this is true.

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    I find that chatting for about 2 or 3 songs is better. However, if I feel that the guy is super into me, I'll ask earlier, same as if I feel he is TOTALLY not feeling me. If he seems like he likes me but he's a tad hesitant, I'll use a few songs to establish a stronger rapport and go into the girlfriend approach.

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    Here's what I do:

    * With customers that are my regulars -- I will talk to them for a while before asking for a dance; however, these are guys that I know really well, I know that I'm guaranteed to make money off of them, and some of them pay me for my time, regardless of whether I do dances or not.

    * Customers that I've just met -- if they seem comfortable and I can tell they like me, I won't hesitate to ask for a dance right away. (I don't use the "wanna dance" line because that's what they're expecting to hear and therefore are ready to say "no" as soon as they hear that particular question. Usually I'll just breathe into their ear and whisper something sexy and then grab their hand so that they follow me to the lap dance room.

    * Customers that I've just met that look uncomfortable, scared, hostile -- I'll usually sit really close to them and make small talk for a couple of minutes (no longer than 3-5!) that way they get to know me a little better, before I ask for a dance.

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    I have tried both, usually the quick approach does not work for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andygirl View Post
    I might talk to a guy for 30-45 seconds before asking for a dance. Most of the time I don't even sit down.
    ditto. except i perch on the side of his chair/his leg and manage to have boobs in his sight-line.

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    Gosh, I find it varies a lot from club to club -- some places you have to put in a couple of songs, others they straight up expect you to just ask for a dance and have no interest in chatting.

    Also, it depends on what you are trying to sell; if they seem like a VIP candidate you may take a bit more time establishing rapport with them.

    In a high volume club though, especially when it's busy, and where there are only floor dances and no VIP, yes, the shorter the pitch the better. I agree that very frequently the longer you let the customer have free conversation without dances or tipping, the less likely you are to get the damn money.

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    Default Re: How many of you cut the crap?

    Theres so many variables that come into play, most of which the responses above cover. E.g the area,how many people are in the club,the customers personality.

    I definitely think its a feel it out thing. If the custie seems very shy it can take a wee while of chatting to make them feel comfortable before popping the question. I find it easy to sell chains of dances with the shy guys because they feel comfortable with you.
    Then theres the guys who you can walk up to, shake your boobs and say "take me for a dance".
    In general i find the second approach works well for groups of young men and stag parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy68 View Post
    ditto. except i perch on the side of his chair/his leg and manage to have boobs in his sight-line.
    You always have boobs in his sight-line. I love it!
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    Default Re: How many of you cut the crap?

    This totally depends on the area and club, and what you're selling. In some clubs you just won't get away with asking for dances right away because the clientele are more into the time and company thing. In others, you will lose money by sitting around chatting. Also in some clubs you get a mixed bag, where you need to feel the custies out a bit - some guys are just lap buyers and you want to get to the point pretty quickly; others are VIP buyers and you'll do better with them to spend a lil more time before popping the question.

    I've worked both and it's really a matter of finding what works best for you in your area/club.

    A good rule of thumb is to never spend more than 2 songs before asking for a sale. If your club is faster-paced, then don't spend more than 1 song - whatever song is playing when you approach. If it's a time and company kinda thing you might spend 30 minutes with a guy before getting any money out of him but the payoff is usually bigger. In that scenario you want to get a reasonable idea he's got the money to spend (and is willing) before investing that much time - ask leading questions, drop hints and guage his reaction, pay attention to whether he has a tab, how he tips, etc.

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