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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsWriter2 View Post
    I have a deep compulsion expressed as an education policy: No Favorite Left Behind...I will always get her through her worst math course...
    Just spotted that and snap. I tutor a couple of dancers for the sheer fun of it (on my part).

    I admire them for having an objective to dancing, and realise the long hours involved (study + dancing) give them a stressful life.

    Sometimes the courses they're taking overlap into my field (I trained as a metallurgist). Other times they don't, but I'm a quick study and can usually keep a chapter ahead.

    And yeah, when one graduates this year, I'll have a feeling I've done something tangible for her - something that'll help her for the rest of her life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W View Post
    Sometimes the courses they're taking overlap into my field (I trained as a metallurgist). Other times they don't, but I'm a quick study and can usually keep a chapter ahead.

    And yeah, when one graduates this year, I'll have a feeling I've done something tangible for her - something that'll help her for the rest of her life.
    Lol.

    Do you even realize how condescending this is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Do you even realize how condescending this is?
    Jenny,

    The dancer concerned is using her studies as a route to get to (as she puts it) a normal life. She wants out of dancing and into a 9 - 5 job with a bf that doesn't even know she used to dance. In addition, she's hoping for good enough grades to go on to a higher degree.

    I've been helping her on some of her courses for 3 1/2 years now - and strangely enough she likes the help. (One reason is that her native language is not English, so just sitting down with someone familiar with abtruse technical language is of assistance to her).

    Getting this degree is very important to her, hence she can have all the help I am capable of giving. And when she graduates this September I personally will be very happy for her.

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    Yeah, I meant the assumption that you were a suitable tutor when you don't even claim to have any knowledge on the topic. Like "you can keep a chapter ahead"? Don't worry about it - I work in a stripclub. I'm used to guys assuming that they are smarter than us.
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    Groan....

    Exactly that. There are courses when she gets textbooks out of her university library and gives them to me. I read them, then I do my best to help her.

    I cannot pick up a largely mathematically based discipline without a lot of effort, but I've got a good basic grounding in chemistry, physics and some knowledge of biology. Means if I sit down and read I can pick up the bones of an non-mathematical undergrad course fairly quickly. (Remember I only have to pick up one or two of the half dozen courses she's doing in any particular year).

    And yes I do keep a chapter ahead. A lot of her courses are new ground for me, but their main underpinnings are chemistry and biology. Means I start with a good foundation.

    Boringly enough I enjoy learning on my own account anyway and I enjoy helping her. Can't get everything right, but I presume the fact that she regularly asks for my help indicates it's of some use.

    But hey - I'm just a smart arse customer...

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    I dunno Phil. I'm just a dumb stripper but if someone offers to tutor me, I generally expect it is because they have a better grounding in the topic than I do. I can't imagine the point of being tutored by someone who is learning at the same rate I am, and would find someone who was not even in my class, but buying the textbook to learn my topic, offering to "tutor" me to be fairly unbearably condescending. But like I said - I work in a strip club. I'm used to it, so she probably is too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    I can't imagine the point of being tutored by someone who is learning at the same rate I am, and would find someone who was not even in my class, but buying the textbook to learn my topic, offering to "tutor" me to be fairly unbearably condescending.
    Someone with a BS in biology won't have much trouble tutoring a nursing student. Staying a chapter or two ahead works. Material is often easier to explain right after you master it yourself. Ask professors who develop new courses or teach interdisciplinary seminars.

    At worst the dancer gets a study group where no one cares whether she strips. In practice, the process is remarkably egalitarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsWriter2 View Post
    Someone with a BS in biology won't have much trouble tutoring a nursing student. Staying a chapter or two ahead works. Material is often easier to explain right after you master it yourself. Ask professors who develop new courses or teach interdisciplinary seminars.
    Sure. But if one of my classmates offered to tutor me because he had read a chapter ahead, I would think it would sound pretty condescending. If someone outside my field offered to tutor me by reading my textbooks one week ahead of me - that would be both stupid and condescending. However, you have a point - there are likely some fields where there is sufficient overlap. However, if you read the post I got my back all up about he says that he "tutors" in fields that have no overlap into his.

    At worst the dancer gets a study group where no one cares whether she strips. In practice, the process is remarkably egalitarian.
    A study group sounds less, you know, hierarchal. It doesn't assume that one person is in a position to teach another.
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    Im with Jenny here, I dont see any point in being tutored by someone who has not done the same or similar degree and is not at least a year ahead or a professor/expert in the field.

    I would also not like to be tutored by someone who is sexually attracted/interested in me because I think that would get in the way of any constructive studying being done.
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    ^^ Does world experience count? I mean, I quit school after the 8th grad but I have learned a lot since then and would love to share.

    As far as me being sexually attracted to you..no worries. I have ED. The little feller doesn't work.

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    ^^
    that's ok I suffer from low drive we will be a good pair LOL.

    I think experience does count. I get friends and family to proof read my essays etc but as for tutoring in a specific topic I dunno, some are pretty specialist and really require the tutor to have studied the same.

    Having said that I had never had a tutor so Im not really speaking from experience just opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    ^^ Does world experience count? I mean, I quit school after the 8th grad but I have learned a lot since then and would love to share.
    Well, that would depend on the topic. I mean... okay, I did message one member here for one of my classes saying "hey, what's a hedge fund?" (yes, really, shut up all of you); but I couldn't imagine relying on general knowledge of the world for tutoring in a whole class. Does that make sense?

    As far as me being sexually attracted to you..no worries. I have ED. The little feller doesn't work.

    FBR
    I actually think Jai is completely wrong. I find guys who like you like to you teach you things. They'll do, like, a really good job. So for me, you're out.
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    I actually think Jai is completely wrong. I find guys who like you like to you teach you things. They'll do, like, a really good job. So for me, you're out.
    Jenny, usually I understand your posts but this one makes zero sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    Jenny, usually I understand your posts but this one makes zero sense.

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    Oh, I think it is because you said that being sexually attracted to hypothetical tutorees was... you know. Outside your present capacity. Unlike Jai, I think that is very important in a tutor.

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    No, it think it was due to lack of commas.

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    Dammit. And I have been hoist by my own comma petard.

    How shameful.
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    Jenny, it was just a comment. I mean, you have way ignored and forgiven my poor writing skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    Im with Jenny here, I dont see any point in being tutored by someone who has not done the same or similar degree and is not at least a year ahead or a professor/expert in the field.

    I would also not like to be tutored by someone who is sexually attracted/interested in me because I think that would get in the way of any constructive studying being done.
    I would agree to the extent that you shouldn't pay someone who is not trained or an expert in the field fo their help but hey, if it is a friend offering a helping hand, how could anyone find something wrong with that? Sometimes a different perspective can shed new light on the subject. I have actually learned some math shortcuts from students of mine over the years that I hadn't thought of myself.

    As for your second comment Jaz, just because a guy finds you attractive doesn't mean he cannot put that aside for a time to give you a hand with your studies. Believe it or not, some guys realize being a stripper is what you do. It isn't neccessarily what you are. Likewise, guys aren't going to act like customers 24/7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    I would agree to the extent that you shouldn't pay someone who is not trained or an expert in the field fo their help but hey, if it is a friend offering a helping hand, how could anyone find something wrong with that?
    Because. A friend with no expertise or even knowledge in the field assuming that they could teach me about the field I'm being schooled in is condescending. Or so it seems to me. That is what's wrong with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    As for your second comment Jaz, just because a guy finds you attractive doesn't mean he cannot put that aside for a time to give you a hand with your studies. Believe it or not, some guys realize being a stripper is what you do. It isn't neccessarily what you are. Likewise, guys aren't going to act like customers 24/7.
    True, however there is a difference between a tutor who happens to find a student attractive, and a man who finds woman attractive and offers to tutor just her or other attractive women. At least there is my mind. Not that there is anything wrong with being attracted to women, or even finding excuses to be near them, but at least the guy should be honest with himself what's really making him tick. And for some attractive women (probably many) it's transparent behavior. They see the guy is not really a tutor of any significance, just a guy who is trying to make an excuse to be near them. Again, not the end of the world, but I can see why a woman would want to keep tutoring purely about business and avoid the guys who aren't really tutors, but just guys who use tutoring as an excuse to be near them.

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    Hmmm....OK, a few years ago I tried to help a Brazilian fav of mine get through an English comp class that was clearly over her head. We spent one or two nights a week studying and doing her homework together and she was actually pulling a decent grade in the class. The only problem was that I was really just doing the work for her. I had to go on a road trip for a couple of weeks and by the time I got back she had dropped the class because she just couldn't hack it without my holding her hand.
    Ultimately, I was enjoying the experience as she is a bright lady with an interesting outlook on life who just doesn't know the language. Unfortunately I hurt her more than helped her by doing the work for her rather than trusting my initial gut reaction to the whole mess; she should have dropped the class and found a school offering a more basic ESL course before taking the comp course.

    What does this have to do with anything? I dunno, just a related experience I guess. We were already OTC friends and I knew I wasn't going to get into her pants so the motivation was strictly to help a friend who was, while not going for any sort of degree, trying to better herself.
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    ^^^ Well thats was a nice effort Yoda and that kind of "tutoring" makes sense but unless someone is talking a class on being an opinionated fucktard - I dont see how I can help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lapaholic View Post
    ^^^ Well thats was a nice effort Yoda and that kind of "tutoring" makes sense but unless someone is talking a class on being an opinionated fucktard - I dont see how I can help.
    Oh my gosh - I'm taking that class!
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    ^^^ lol... From what I see, U must be getting honors!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Because. A friend with no expertise or even knowledge in the field assuming that they could teach me about the field I'm being schooled in is condescending. Or so it seems to me. That is what's wrong with it.

    But did he actually assume and claim that? It seems to me he is just trying to help out a friend and by helping or offering to help a friend he is being condescending? Unless he is helping in order to exhibit his superiority, it isn't condescension. I once helped a dancer move and I am not a mover. I once helped a dancer study for the real estate exam and I am not a realtor. Neither time qualified as condescension, nor was it condescending for me to help in areas in which I am an "expert".

    It seems to me that you are so caught up in this "battle of the sexes" that , in your mind, all actions exhibited by customers towards dancers (except of course giving her money for talking or sitting next to him) qualify as condescension.
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