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    Why are products with silicones so bad for hair? I've heard this mentioned a few times in BB.

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    I was just wondering the same thing.

    Somewhere I saw another site recommend that silicone products were great for fighting frizz and I was going to come on here and ask for recommendations until I saw the consensus that they sucked.

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    just read about it.. It depends on your hair as to whther or not it is bad for you. Because the silicone adheres to the hair it CAN prevent it from breaking, but since it tend to peel off it takes the scales from the ahir's outer shell with it, therefor making the hair more delicate.

    Here's what I found about how to tell if it's right for you.
    HOW TO TELL IF YOUR HAIR TYPE AGREES WITH CONE USE

    (1) Try silicones for a week.
    Or if you're already using cones, go to #2.
    Again, silicone conditioners include Garnier, L'Oreal, and Pantene.

    Observe the results of silicones: Does your hair feel plastic? Does your hair feel brittle? Does it feel dry or straw-like? Crunchy?
    If any of these are the case, GET OFF CONES.
    Clarify with a rinse or clarifying shampoo, and move on to coneless products.

    Some coneless products include the following: Biolage Conditioning Balm, the Giovanni line, Aubrey Organics, Avalon, Nature's Gate, Jessicurl, White Rain Extra Body Classic, V05 regulars, and Suave Naturals.
    Keep in mind: Silicones are always listed as something that ends in "-cone", "-conol" or "-siloxane". Reducing cone usage can also help. The farther down the ingredient list, the less of that ingredient is in the product.

    (2) Or if you're already coning and want to find out if you are the cone type, switch to a silicone-free conditioner for a week.
    Observe any breakage that may show. Snip off any damaged ends, etc.. with sharp scissors. If you find that your hair had suffered severe damage while you were using a silicone conditioner, find a coneless product within your budget.

    If your hair tangles significantly without cones, you'll probably want to get back on them. Silicone conditioners include Suave Professionals, Pantene, L'Oreal, Garnier Fructis, Finesse, Paul Mitchell The Leave-in.
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    Well, it's really not the silicone itself that is so damaging. It's the combination of ingredients in a product that can make it or break it. Think about it this way, when you use a silicone bath caulk you are sealing the cracks, so moisture either stays in or out. Same thing with the hair. The silicone acts as more of a glossy coating for a visual effect, but you want to have some moisture inside of that seal. Now the problem is that most commercial hair products contain drying agents (like cetyl alcohol, etc...) Even your conditioners! Usually it's listed as the 2nd ingredient after water (depending on brand). So when you have a conditioner like Pantene which contains silicone in combination with the alcohols, some of those drying agents are going to get trapped in that seal. That's why silicone gets such a bad rap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christany View Post
    Well, it's really not the silicone itself that is so damaging. It's the combination of ingredients in a product that can make it or break it. Think about it this way, when you use a silicone bath caulk you are sealing the cracks, so moisture either stays in or out. Same thing with the hair. The silicone acts as more of a glossy coating for a visual effect, but you want to have some moisture inside of that seal. Now the problem is that most commercial hair products contain drying agents (like cetyl alcohol, etc...) Even your conditioners! Usually it's listed as the 2nd ingredient after water (depending on brand). So when you have a conditioner like Pantene which contains silicone in combination with the alcohols, some of those drying agents are going to get trapped in that seal. That's why silicone gets such a bad rap.
    So true. When i use a shampoo and conditioner with NO alcohol in them i always smooth a serum over my damp hair after. I never had a problem, ever, and my hair is bleached and very very long.

    Pantene makes my hair very dry, and that is why. Lock in alcohol with a serum and you may have problems.

    I love using silicone serums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsy_girlchild View Post
    just read about it.. It depends on your hair as to whther or not it is bad for you. Because the silicone adheres to the hair it CAN prevent it from breaking, but since it tend to peel off it takes the scales from the ahir's outer shell with it, therefor making the hair more delicate.

    Here's what I found about how to tell if it's right for you.
    HOW TO TELL IF YOUR HAIR TYPE AGREES WITH CONE USE

    (1) Try silicones for a week.
    Or if you're already using cones, go to #2.
    Again, silicone conditioners include Garnier, L'Oreal, and Pantene.

    Observe the results of silicones: Does your hair feel plastic? Does your hair feel brittle? Does it feel dry or straw-like? Crunchy?
    If any of these are the case, GET OFF CONES.
    Clarify with a rinse or clarifying shampoo, and move on to coneless products.

    Some coneless products include the following: Biolage Conditioning Balm, the Giovanni line, Aubrey Organics, Avalon, Nature's Gate, Jessicurl, White Rain Extra Body Classic, V05 regulars, and Suave Naturals.
    Keep in mind: Silicones are always listed as something that ends in "-cone", "-conol" or "-siloxane". Reducing cone usage can also help. The farther down the ingredient list, the less of that ingredient is in the product.
    Thanks! I'll try Aubrey Organics for a while.

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    not all alcohol is drying. cetyl alcohol is a moisturizing emollient. silicone does coat the hair and can trap moisture out or in. and if not washed off completely during shampooing it can create build up and cause hair to dry out from the inside. if you have colored hair it might not stand up to all the deep cleaning required to use cones daily and not suffer from dryness. i use a bit of jojoba oil for shine and moisture when i need it. long hair community has great forums about this stuff. tones of info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kat 3322 View Post
    not all alcohol is drying. cetyl alcohol is a moisturizing emollient. silicone does coat the hair and can trap moisture out or in. and if not washed off completely during shampooing it can create build up and cause hair to dry out from the inside. if you have colored hair it might not stand up to all the deep cleaning required to use cones daily and not suffer from dryness. i use a bit of jojoba oil for shine and moisture when i need it. long hair community has great forums about this stuff. tones of info.
    I can't find Jojoba oil anyplace around here anymore! That stuff kicks ass for shine and health.

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