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    What is the burn rate for getting a dancer to spend time w/ you Girl Friend Experience (GFE) - undivided attention?

    I usually get a good amount of face time and I do spend money, but to clock a dancer for a few hours straight w/ drinks and a few dances mixed in? So if it's $20 a song for a dance, what would the price be per song/per hour? The money must be great because many of the guys I see doing this are totally low end of 0-10 scale.

    Curious because I see guys will pull this vs. maxing out on dances. It really comes across as though you are a bigger player as the amount of visible time and attention you are receiving is much greater. When I see dancers on this they have an intense focus like no other... They will be absolutely fixated - if they get up to go on stage they will be right back promptly, virtually ignore many others they know in the club, etc...

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    At my club I would charge $400 per hour.

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    That is awesome! Then I have seen some of my friends pull $1,500 ++... This is at a club where I have heard about dancers taking in high five/six figures in a month when they are on point with the right client(s).

    The part I have trouble with: when the ones I really, really like a lot are dancing with a hot guy I do start to get a little jealous. But this GFE, it hurts watching! The captivated conversation, although they are getting paid to do it. Making the guy look like he is 'the end all be all gift to women'. Even getting a little closer with the guest than they would normally do.

    When a dancer does score that much with a guest right into the close of the club, does it end there? Like everyone else, I have heard some pretty tripped out shit come out of the mouths of dancers I hang with... words leaves a ton of doubt in my mind as to whether they turn tricks as well.
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    You can hang out in the VIP room for around $400 an hour plus the cost of drinks in a lot of clubs and have her undivided attention. So figure some figure around there for her to act like your girl friend and focus only on you.

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    Six figures in one month. Um, no. That would mean a dancer can make 1.2 million dollars a year. I'm sure it can be lucrative, but not that much.

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    I think I need a translation of the original post.

    What is "burn rate?" Do you mean "going rate?" Also, from what I know, GFE signifies much more than companionship.

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    That is high five/six figures in sprints - maybe a month or two, not consistently. And that is only the best of the best at a top club one of the biggest metro areas in the country...

    VIP at this club goes well north of $400/hour.

    'Burn Rate' as in Money Spent per Amount of Time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Embyr View Post
    I think I need a translation of the original post.

    What is "burn rate?" Do you mean "going rate?"
    I couldn't be sure either, but I think he wants to know what it would cost to have her undivided attention per hour (or whatever period of time). Since he'd get that in the VIP room, undivided attention, I figured he could use the cost of the VIP room as a reasonable estimate.

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    Burn Rate is a general term for how much money you spend in a given amount of time - like your are burning jet fuel...

    thx everyone, wanted to know about the GFE/undivided attention on the main floor. I think guests do it because everyone can see as opposed to the VIP where there are few people and there may not be drinks available...

    I can post elsewhere or search but what do you all think about extended VIP or GFE turning into something a hell of a lot more outside the club? I have had girls try to fuck close me in minutes and ask me to take their number before for no money so... how low do the 'good girls' go? I mean the look and behavior of the girls I know when they are on these extended attention contracts is so striking. It is like they are possessed, they ignore most everyone else completely...

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    ahh... burn as in money burn... i understand. still hard to read, but whatever. "burn rate/going rate" depends on club, area, dancer quality/dancer entitlement/hustle skill, and whether or not the club HAS a VIP.

    as to "what do we think about GFE turning into more..." umm.. it sounds more like you're musing on a subject that you find intriguing, rather than actually asking a concrete question. Read the blue side. that's "what we think."

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    Quote Originally Posted by R19 View Post
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    thx everyone, wanted to know about the GFE/undivided attention on the main floor. Guests do it because everyone can see as opposed to the VIP where there are few people and there may not be drinks available...
    I have never heard of a VIP room where drinks are not available. Quite the opposite, there is almost always a minimum drink requirement, and higher prices for drinks in the VIP.

    You may be mis-interpreting what is happening on the floor. Often dancers will hang out with a customer for a while, even maybe many hours, because business is slow, or she is gambling that it will pay off over the long run, and in the mean time the customer is feeding her some money, buying her drinks, and buying a few dances. He might be a regular even, and known to spend more, or she might even on rare occasion prefer to make a bit less money and hang out with a semi-tolerable customer then work the floor where she risks making no money at all. It's just not uncommon that a dancer will hang out for an hour, or two with a customer who she thinks might turn into a big spender, or if business is otherwise slow, and the customer doesn't creep her out (or stink, etc.) Not all dancers will, but many will.

    The guests themselves do it because they are trying to get a better deal, full time attention for less then the cost of VIP, but it never occurred to me that a customer would do such a thing to impress others. I mean who would care? The dancers? No. The other customers? That would be twisted. What guy in a club is thinking about what other customers think? It's not like it's a challenge to be seen with a dancer in a club. If you have the money, you can be with them. Hardly an ego stroke.
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    Well these are dancers I know well and have watched for a ton of hours in clubs I have been to a lot. The situation is pretty clear. I have even seen them flash signs or heard them signal to their dancer friends that they are 'on the clock'

    The club I am mentioning does not have drinks in the VIP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R19 View Post
    The club I am mentioning does not have drinks in the VIP.
    Interesting. VIP stands for "Very Important Person", so a VIP Room means a room for a very important person. The notion being that it's an upgrade from the regular room. Given that most clubs that serve drinks push the drinks, it doesn't make any sense to call a room a VIP room but have it be a downgrade in terms of availability of amenities like alcohol. I guess it's possible there could be some twisted local law that prevents it, or are you thinking of a club that has private booths? Private booths are, in my mind, not VIP rooms.

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    too technical for me - separate areas that are more secluded, much more expensive and nicer all around, but no drinks... so maybe private booths technically, but they call it the VIP area.


    **** More importantly - what do you all think about extended VIP or GFE turning into something a hell of a lot more outside the club? I have had girls try to fuck close me in minutes and ask me to take their number before for no money so... how low do the 'good girls' go? I mean the look and behavior of the girls I know when they are on these extended attention contracts is so striking. It is like they are possessed, they ignore most everyone else completely...

    and yes they will spend a good amount of time with me or others for nothing, but the situation I am talking about is 3-4 hours ++ straight.

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    sorry, i don't believe you. there's a reason that there was a scores news article about a single customer dropping 240,000 dollars ONE TIME.

    i can see girls getting LOW five figures, possibly, from one guy in a single month, but six is just straight out BS. and even high (or low) five is kinda unlikely.

    escorts don't pull that kind of money even as sporadically as you're claiming strippers do for conversation only.

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    They flash signs and signal to their dancer friends that they are on the clock? What the fuck, are they coaching baseball players? You do know who we are, right?
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    = RE the money, everything that happens in life is reported in the media and the media is always accurate. You don't think that top dancers at the top clubs in a top city are pulling serious six figures in a year???? Saying you go to or work at a SC is like saying you live in the US. Well, do you live in a swamp town or one of the most expensive cities in the country, and within that city, do you live in a more modest or higher end neighborhood? w/o disclosing where, I am talking Chicago, NYC/tri-state, LA/SoCal, Vegas, Miami, Dallas/Ft. Worth, SF Bay Area, etc type areas... c'mon, I have seen guys throw hundreds on a dancer on stage 'making it rain on 'em', girls in the VIP for hours and hours. The places I go to will always have fat whips out front - exotics are not a big deal.

    = Yeah, the letting other dancers know what is going on between them and a customers happens all the time just like a football or baseball game nonstop... c'mon, if you don't happen to just catch it or hear a comment over hours you would miss it. It is not apparent at all during the first hour that a girl will be on the clock in the aforementioned GFE accompaniment because I see girls spend a lot of time with people they like, including me, for $0.00... I have seen dancers blow a whole night just to hang out with other dancers and select guests they really like and make very little money but they just were not into hustling that night and they did have some fun and good conversation/laughs.

    It is funny, VIP, high earnings, communicating with me or other dancers, you all are auditing me over shit that is irrelevant. I think I do notice a lot because, all else going on, I enjoy watching dancers work the guests. I learn a lot and have a lot of dancer friends. But there are topics I don't talk with them about because they all talk to each other which means they talk with the dancers I really really like...

    I have three main questions now for the dancers out there because I read that is what 'Customer Conversation' is for. I think it is still tied into this 'GFE' theme.
    1. How much do you have to pay per hour for the aforementioned GFE attention stuff? Got some answers, - thx! but would like to hear more to get a solid average/idea.
    2. To be more direct, when a guest spends a ton period over the course of 3-5 ++ hours what are the odds that even the 'good girls' would turn a trick or are expected to? I ask because the club(s) I go to are high end. Most of the dancers are sophisticated and intelligent to a degree, and do as little possible to bank as much as possible. They gang up on girls that are getting dirty on stage and in laps. But I wonder, maybe they are just the smoothest actors of all... My thought is that at the clubs I go to, the clear majority do not cross lines with guests in the club w/ maybe some limited exception AND that only a few out of all of them are turning tricks.
    3. Why do guys drop that type of money and have the expectation that it will buy sex when they could get a stunning escort for a fraction of the cost? Is it because they want to operate in a SC where others will see the attention they are getting? Keeping in mind that it is not unquestionable to close a dancer in minutes for sex outside the club or at least going out with no money involved under the right conditions (stars line up and she is really horny and hot for you). And on the other hand spend the world in time and attention on a dancer and get very little progress over the course of months and months. Just like the real world...
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    Quote Originally Posted by R19 View Post
    2. To be more direct, when a guest spends a ton period over the course of 3-5 ++ hours what are the odds that even the 'good girls' would turn a trick...
    I predict you are about to be torn a new one for this question. I just hope I have enough time to pop some corn and get a soda before the show starts.


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    3. Why do guys drop that type of money and have that expectation when they could get a stunning escort for a fraction of the cost. Is it because they want to operate in a SC where others will see the attention they are getting?

    Nope. I would say that is the least of reasons, except for maybe the complete losers who think they are in a bar picking up girls. This question has been answered various ways including... While the escort is a sure thing, the stripper is not, so if the stripper has sex with you, it ?must? say something about the appeal of the guy (hence his ego is stroked as he is the exception, rather then the rule). But honestly, I have never heard any guy say that they care what the other guys think.

    Dude, the strip club is not a pick-up bar. While the notion of looking cool to others because you are hanging out with the hot chick makes some sense in a bar, any guy can hang out with the hot chick in the strip club, if he has the $$s. In fact almost all of them are the hot chick. There is no one to impress.

    This is the second time at least that you've said it's to impress others. Like I said before, I think your perception of this is just way off base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage View Post
    This is the second time at least that you've said it's to impress others. Like I said before, I think your perception of this is just way off base.
    If it just for the guest's own ego, I could buy that. xdamage, I can tell you are very smart and know a lot so please help me with the tricks question. I really do believe that most of the dancers at these clubs I go to are not turning tricks period... I could walk down the street to other clubs and it would be a completely different story - mileage, club activity, tricks, whatever. But that is why I go where I do - classy, higher end spots. And also, in my area, there are hundreds of clubs. I go to a couple only.

    I go to SC's to have fun, see 7-10's, relax and think, and to pick up. The pick up part is getting easier because for my limited game, I am a full alpha presence there and everyone who has been at these clubs more than a few months knows me. So when new dancers meet me I think they can tell a difference. But that is way off subject and not for 'Customer Conversation'

    BTW, this site is great. I think a will learn a ton and share a lot. A lot of my guy friends are not too smart or I don't go with them or talk with them about SC's so this is a priceless resource for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R19 View Post
    If it just for the guest's own ego, I could buy that.
    Not really. For those guys who get off on believing the stripper really really likes them, vs knowing that an escort is just doing it for money, you can't just buy it. Or to be more clear, those guys want the whole fantasy that sex with a stripper is hard to get, and they are "special" if they do (though she may well indulge many men in the same fantasy, for the customer who wants this ego stroke, it only works for them if they really believe they are getting something that not anyone can pay for).

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    xdamage, I can tell you are very smart and know a lot so please help me with the tricks question.
    I'm not going to touch that question with a hundred foot pole, because I am smart enough to know better
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    Here is another comment about dancer's skill. The best I see, in this whole GFE and accompaniment game, they are sooooo good at it. The will make a guest feel like they are the one, the only, a god/goddess... but I imagine that top escorts are also very good at it. I think a top dancer has more game because they have much more interaction with people than an escort.

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    I think a top dancer has more game because they have much more interaction with people than an escort.
    That's possible. Personally though I think they have more game because the role they play is different. Strippers have to keep the customer on "the edge"... the fantasy going while also limiting how far the fantasy goes. For a stripper, they want the customer to enjoy all of the things that lead up to sex without actually engaging in sex.

    An Escort's goal is often very different. Their goal is to cut to the chase, and get it over with ASAP so that her time is freed up to get to work with the next customer.

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    X - I commend u for maintaining this "conversation", but I am waiting for the Alpha females to pounce this little alpha pup ...

    Tricks are for kids - silly rabbit!!

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    2. To be more direct, when a guest spends a ton period over the course of 3-5 ++ hours what are the odds that even the 'good girls' would turn a trick or are expected to? I ask because the club(s) I go to are high end. Most of the dancers are sophisticated and intelligent to a degree, and do as little possible to bank as much as possible. They gang up on girls that are getting dirty on stage and in laps. But I wonder, maybe they are just the smoothest actors of all... My thought is that at the clubs I go to, the clear majority do not cross lines with guests in the club w/ maybe some limited exception AND that only a few out of all of them are turning tricks.
    I am not afraid to get some bullets flying from the dancers out there. Go ahead. I think most I associate with do very little. But is very real and very possible that they could easily pick their spots at their discretion for money or no money (which would not be tricks). I look at my own personal experience, progression with no money behind it and so I wonder. What do they do with real VIPs, rolling up in exotics with real money, and game to match. Or others that just plain have high game. The opportunity is certainly there. I'm a straight guy, but sometimes I do get turned on when I see a hot guy. I can only imagine being a female dancer walking around with nothing on for hours and then getting really close to a hot guy.... I know they get used to it, but.

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    ^that last sentence made my morning.

    *sigh* i would bother with this thread.... but not only are "tricks" for kids, i still have a strange feeling that english is not your first language, or you simply don't read what you've written before posting. either way, were i to respond, it'd be to a badly interpreted mishmash of attempted hip "lingo" and a man who isn't budging in his opinions. so.... why try?

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