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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    Dylan, I can completely relate to you. Reading that comment, I was a bit offended myself.

    OTOH, other posters here have made a very valid point. You and I have been very fortunate that we are in a position to work a good companies doing what we love.

    However, many of the girls here are younger, less experienced in the workplace, or simply not-qualified for a high-paying position.

    I remember working at the Gap, hotel reception, kitchen dishwasher, etc. Compared to those shitty, shitty jobs, I'd take stripping in a heartbeat. Stripping, along with my education, allowed me to get into a very lucractive sales/consulting field, with endless sources of revenue.

    And you don't need to have an MBA from Harvard to do it either. Some days I do feel like a bitch though. I can work for 2 weeks and make $700 if the commissions don't go through (like last paycheck.) But I also have days were I make $5,000 in an hour. That makes it worth it.
    Congratulations, that sounds fantastic and you followed your dreams.
    I am on my way to Medical School, I wont be able to dance once I am in
    Medical School it will consume my life so it's save, save, save and then
    borrow, borrow, borrow. I estimate about 250,000 in student loans
    once I am finished but that is my dream and I am not going to work
    as a c, c++, php, java or database administrator while I make my dreams
    a reality. If it wasn't for dancing I would still be chained to a cubicle.
    And your commission makes it more than worth it plus who doesn't like
    to shop for business casual or even better the suits that are out for
    women right now are quite feminine not masculine at all. I still will
    temp once in awhile for manpower technical and another company will
    request me by name but it still doesn't pay enough for the time I am
    required to be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Passenger View Post
    You know, I think it all boils down to choice...we all have the ability to make the choices for how our own lives. There was a point in my life where I chose to be a stripper, and that didn't make me anyone's bitch. I now choose to work a "normal" job, and that definitely doesn't make me somebody's bitch either. I am the master of my own destiny regardless of the job that I choose to take, and so are the rest of you!
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    I always look any job as just that... just a job. It does not define me as a person. I always ask myself would I still be working here if I won a couple million dollars? So far the answer has always been no...that includes my day job and stripping even though I have enjoyed both. Can anyone honestly say they would keep their current job if they didn't have to? If I could afford it I would be a full-time student forever haha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ava Jadore View Post
    I always look any job as just that... just a job. It does not define me as a person. I always ask myself would I still be working here if I won a couple million dollars? So far the answer has always been no...that includes my day job and stripping even though I have enjoyed both. Can anyone honestly say they would keep their current job if they didn't have to? If I could afford it I would be a full-time student forever haha!
    It is going to seem like forever once I finish, so yes to the no way would I work
    while in school if I did not have to and no I don't want to be in college forever
    though it can be fun

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    I'm going to put in my 2 cents...
    Has anyone ever read Nickle and Dimed by Barbara Ehrenreich? She goes "undercover" to work menial, low-wage jobs and try to survive off minimum wage. This was my life for many years. Without the finanical support of anyone, and not even considering the sex industry, I worked many horrible jobs where I was bound to the job and had to put up with insane, soul-killing bullshit. Example - being verbally abused, sexually harassed, and being forced to clean up vomit. I used to wake up and take the bus before anyone was on the roads to get to a job, only to take the same bus ride back and get home at 7 p.m. I was definitely a "bitch" because I was miserable and mistreated.
    Stripping is a better alternative.
    However, I hope to someday get a Master's degree (in the next few years) and eventually get a good non-stripping job that can sustain me and fulfill me. I definitely don't feel like a "bitch" at work. I can walk out at any time and still have a job somewhere else as a stripper. I only felt like a bitch when my financial circumstances were so bad that I felt like I HAD to be in those bad working situations. If I had a good office job with perks and benefits - something that truly challenged me - I would not consider myself to be a "bitch" because I had a set schedule and couldn't drink at work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinupgurl2k6 View Post
    It is going to seem like forever once I finish, so yes to the no way would I work
    while in school if I did not have to and no I don't want to be in college forever
    though it can be fun
    I don't know...I love learning. If I were rich and did not have to work I would so get a doctorate in whatever I could. I am a nerd like that. I love school...one the few things that really makes me feel happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinupgurl2k6 View Post
    Congratulations, that sounds fantastic and you followed your dreams.
    I am on my way to Medical School, I wont be able to dance once I am in
    Medical School it will consume my life so it's save, save, save and then
    borrow, borrow, borrow. I estimate about 250,000 in student loans
    once I am finished but that is my dream and I am not going to work
    as a c, c++, php, java or database administrator while I make my dreams
    a reality. If it wasn't for dancing I would still be chained to a cubicle.
    And your commission makes it more than worth it plus who doesn't like
    to shop for business casual or even better the suits that are out for
    women right now are quite feminine not masculine at all. I still will
    temp once in awhile for manpower technical and another company will
    request me by name but it still doesn't pay enough for the time I am
    required to be there.
    if you are truly skilled enough in all those areas, you should be making as much or more than dancing and be able to set your own hours and have total flexibility to study for an MD. and you shouldn't require a temp agency like manpower at all. being able to sling c++ alone is worth six figures annually in plenty of places.

    it baffles me how so many dancers never seem to ask for more/enough/market rates of money in the regular business world, but do not fail to do so in the vip room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DylanAngel View Post
    More reason to note that, no matter what you do, make sure you're doing the best and getting the most that you can out of it.
    Exactly. I know there are tons of amazing jobs out there, great money, benefits, etc...but that doesn't mean they're the right job for me. I hope that I find what will leave me happiest and most fulfilled as far as careers go; I think dancing is primarily a means to an end for me, although it is an end in itself to some degree. I'd like to find a real career that I can devote my life to and, well, that I can talk to my parents about.

    But it's very interesting reading all these different perspectives...really makes you appreciate that one man's trash is another's treasure.


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    I dunno.

    I'm pretty good at desk jobs, production jobs, menial tasks, research jobs, and stripping. I don't mind working "for the man" as long as I'm being compensated well.

    I'd never knock another occupation because I prefer one style of work.
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    The difference to me between dancing and a traditional job is flexibility. As a dancer we can choose where, when, and how often we work, and how hard we work. We can choose how much vacation time we want and when we want to take it.

    Most salaried jobs have limited vacation time based on time at the job, and don't have unlimited choice as to when their employees can take vacation time.

    Of course there are businesses that one can get into where they have control of how they work, but usually that involves self employment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExoticEngineer View Post
    But when I worked in fitness, and I was busting my butt 6 days a week, long hours, never seeing my kiddo or man and kissing the rear end of a fat man in a suit for very little return, yah, I sure felt like a bitch then too... I wasn't happy.
    But in the fitness industry it's so easy to go out on your own. Working for a company as a personal trainer = you are a bitch for the company. They are pimping you. But if you pimp yourself, you don't have to work long hours. And the money can be good (if you set your rate high).

    This also depends on where you live. It's not that way everywhere.

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    If I won a great deal of money, I would continue doing what I do because registered investment advisors get to invest at NAV. Which means, I don't have to pay commissions or fees on my own investments.

    Now, if I won many, many millions, I'd invest the principal myself, quit, and let one of my colleauges manage it while I roam the world!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sun child View Post
    I'm going to put in my 2 cents...
    Has anyone ever read Nickle and Dimed by Barbara Ehrenreich? She goes "undercover" to work menial, low-wage jobs and try to survive off minimum wage. This was my life for many years. Without the finanical support of anyone, and not even considering the sex industry, I worked many horrible jobs where I was bound to the job and had to put up with insane, soul-killing bullshit. Example - being verbally abused, sexually harassed, and being forced to clean up vomit. I used to wake up and take the bus before anyone was on the roads to get to a job, only to take the same bus ride back and get home at 7 p.m. I was definitely a "bitch" because I was miserable and mistreated.
    Stripping is a better alternative.
    However, I hope to someday get a Master's degree (in the next few years) and eventually get a good non-stripping job that can sustain me and fulfill me. I definitely don't feel like a "bitch" at work. I can walk out at any time and still have a job somewhere else as a stripper. I only felt like a bitch when my financial circumstances were so bad that I felt like I HAD to be in those bad working situations. If I had a good office job with perks and benefits - something that truly challenged me - I would not consider myself to be a "bitch" because I had a set schedule and couldn't drink at work.
    I've read it. Actually, at the time I read it, I was a bitch for Arby's. It made my blood boil. I didn't have a choice in jobs, the whole time I worked there I spent applying for other menial minimum wage jobs. Never got another one. It was a pretty small town though. I had no choice in which or how many days I worked. If They wouldn't let me cut down my 30 hour week. It was either that or quit. I was a senior in high school at the time. I barely remember my senior year because I was so exhausted.

    But, I don't think all normal jobs make you their bitch. I think that many people get trapped in minimum wage, menial jobs becuase they are not qualified for anything else or because they live in an area where they just can't find anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    Now, if I won many, many millions, I'd invest the principal myself, quit, and let one of my colleauges manage it while I roam the world!
    That sounds like a good plan to me!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Jade View Post
    And to whoever asked if anyone would keep working even if they won the lottery? Yes, I absolutely would. Hell, most of us at my office volutarily work overtime even though we're all on salary!
    BTW, you're not a lowly ANYTHING! I've seen you with the people you work with and they adore and depend on you. You were running the show that night!

    When I started with this company, I hired on as an assistant to work my way back into the industry and to cut down on stress. It took only 4 months for them to see talent and put me back into a senior position, like I was before the bad things happened in my life. But even as an asst., I was free to do my work, took days off, had fun... depends on WHERE you're an asst. Only bad thing is that my former boss is now MY asst.

    And I agree LJ, I wouldn't quit if I won the lottery. I love advertising too much. Actually, when Brad inherits the family biz, I won't have to work anymore and I like winters in FL. So, I'll probably leave Acct. Services and move over to Creative and work freelance (thank God, I took that extra certification while in school!)

    Another reason, for those not socking away enough to retire on from dancing, to attend school or work a part time office job while stripping; you'll have choices when the stripping ends.

    And that's what freedom is all about; choices.

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    I don't think anyone is anybody's bitch unless they accept that role for some reason. A job is an agreement... I am willing to spend X time doing X to receive X amount of money. Our career is a choice we make, and if we don't want to accept the conditions, we quit our jobs. That's nobody's bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francescadubois View Post
    ^^Yeah, that call center job sounds scary!!
    It's more fun if you're the low-skill, low-interest employee.

    Just another reason you couldn't pay me enough to manage anything!



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    How to pick up a stripper- have a thick cock, don't talk too much, and fuck like Satan. That is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella View Post
    if you are truly skilled enough in all those areas, you should be making as much or more than dancing and be able to set your own hours and have total flexibility to study for an MD. and you shouldn't require a temp agency like manpower at all. being able to sling c++ alone is worth six figures annually in plenty of places.

    it baffles me how so many dancers never seem to ask for more/enough/market rates of money in the regular business world, but do not fail to do so in the vip room.
    Out sourcing baby! When a guy in India will do it for 500 usd which == 25,000 rupees who needs an American who you have to pay and give medical insurance
    to. Even as a contracted computer programmer I cannot compete with how low
    these guys can work for. Yes there are a ton of jobs but do you know what it is
    like? It is mentally taxing and the last thing I want to do when I get home from
    a day of
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    Quote Originally Posted by DylanAngel View Post
    How are strippers not somebody's bitch? Because you set your own hours/schedule?
    Because we don't give someone else control of our time (which is, literally, our lives), yes. Ninety percent of the time I don't even "set my own hours," I just ask myself "do I want to work tonight?"

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    When you walk into a club, isn't it someone else's decision if you work there or not?
    The first day, usually.

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    When you walk in, don't they give you your schedule of stage time?
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    Don't you have to put up with rules while you're there?
    No, not really. I mean, usually I try not to break any laws about contact and prostitution, but that's generally not something you have to do.

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    Do you have to suck up to gross people, and do it with a smile, to make your money?
    No. Sometimes I choose to when the compensation is enough to motivate me, but usually I don't dance for or talk to people that I don't enjoy spending time with.



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    Quote Originally Posted by pinupgurl2k6 View Post
    Out sourcing baby! When a guy in India will do it for 500 usd which == 25,000 rupees who needs me!
    that's just a racist myth. highly skilled technical people still make plenty of bank, and highly skilled people from india, china or anywhere else come to america, canada and the uk to make way more than 500USD. outsourcing is a very very very small portion of all computer nerdery, and always was. blaming outsourcing is like a redhead blaming brunettes for why she doesn't make money at the club like she used to.

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    Lena, not every model fits every business. You are one of the exceptions and I'm happy that you found that balance.

    I would have to travel to have those conditions and that's not conducive to a healthy mental state for me, so I'd still be someone's bitch dancing here in Jersey where you have a weekly schedule as well as a nightly schedule. In this area, you also give up half your lapdance money. Now, if that's not being someone's bitch, I don't know what is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella View Post
    that's just a racist myth. highly skilled technical people still make plenty of bank, and highly skilled people from india, china or anywhere else come to america, canada and the uk to make way more than 500USD. outsourcing is a very very very small portion of all computer nerdery, and always was. blaming outsourcing is like a redhead blaming brunettes for why she doesn't make money at the club like she used to.
    I work with one of my best friends who lives in Mumbai, ever heard of spam assassin? Even Devdas agrees that when it comes to cheap good, code it
    goes there, I have an offer to work for Red Hat India I don't want to work
    in India, did you not read that I am in school, I changed my Major? Or the
    fact that I am burned out of sitting behind a cubicle, I did not say I could not
    get a job I said I did not want a job working in CS anymore. Is that your Major
    or something because I am not used to being pounded and btw calling me a
    racist is really funny when my boyfriend is arab so rooh n taki sharmoota!
    BTW go to any of the websites you can go to, to get the kind of job your
    talking about and put in a bid.. LMFAO your talking about working without
    a schedule which == contracting.

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    Why in the hell does every thread with some insight have to go up in flames? There are many different viewpoints expressed in here and nobody else got out of hand.

    Hell, my OP was about being offended in another thread and we managed to turn that into a positive, insightful thread.

    Pinup, I don't think Mia was calling you a racist specifically, she was saying that it's a myth perpetrated by others who happen to be racists and you happen to believe it.

    Can we please get back on topic? Thankyouverymuch!

    Also, speaking of topic...I'm noticing that it's also a geographical thing. Places where it's good for an office job are not so good for stripping in a lot of cases and vice versa.

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    shockingly, you can work without a schedule in fields other than stripping.

    i said the myth you're propagating is racist, which it is. outsourcing is a small part of the technical industry, which means some work goes there, certainly not so much a highly skilled person cannot earn a tidy living more locally.

    there's more to non-stripping work than 'being chained to a cubicle' or 'retail slave' or working for a temp agency for that matter, and plenty of people have contributed posts noting that in this thread. and as for computer nerdery, you were implying it was impossible to make good money with it due to 'outsourcing to india', and that is just not true at all.

    x-posted with dylanangel...
    Last edited by miabella; 11-13-2007 at 11:46 AM. Reason: x-post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RC View Post
    It's more fun if you're the low-skill, low-interest employee.

    Just another reason you couldn't pay me enough to manage anything!
    Devil right back atcha! I'm definitely not saying my entire team was LSLI--in fact, the good reps on my team were my main reason for staying in the biz as long as I did. I had a (pretty deserved) reputation for mothering my team which had its own slew of pros and cons. It's just that I had to spend 5 times the effort working with the "poor organizational fits" as I did working with the genuinely smart, talented, customer-service-oriented employees I loved. And that gets fackin exhausting reeeeal quick. Hence my aversion for my pay being dependent upon the work ethic and ability of people I did not hire and train myself. I'd much rather work for myself, by myself, with myself.


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