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    I got to thinking about how things are done & handled at our club. It seems to be (at least was my perception) that the dancers are supposed to help hustle tips for the waitresses and funny money girls from the customers. Like when it's time to close out the tab and it's time for the customer to put the tip in, it's been my perception that we dancers are also supposed to also reiterate to the customer the tipping procedure. Like when the waitress/ funny money girl says something about a tip "this is where the tip for me goes as I only work off of tips......", we're supposed to then say "it's customary to leave anywhere from 10-20%, however, whatever you're comfortable is always appreciated". That's what I've ALWAYS done for them. I've always chimed in and really encouraged a tip for them, which I've never totally felt comfortable doing because I felt like I was sounding greedy considering the customer just spent $300+ per hour on me.

    Well, tonight I got to thinking and realized, they don't do that for me! There's 1-2 funny money girls who do that for me but never once has a waitress EVER encouraged a tip for me and the rest of the funny money girls don't ever suggest adding a tip on top of it for me. So, if they don't do that for me, why should I do that for them? It's like the "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine". Why should I hustle even more than I already did when you don't return the favor? I've let it go and let it go I guess kinda hoping that things would change and they'd eventually see what I'm doing for them and hope they'd do the same for me. I'm thinking that maybe I should try not saying anything at all to the customer for the ones who don't try to help me make extra money. (this situation excludes if someone sent me to a customer, which hasn't happened in MONTHS!!!)

    Have any of you had similar situations? How did you handle and how did you feel about it? Did you finally say to yourself, "I'm done, enough is enough, I'm tired of not getting the favor returned to me". Please give me your thoughts on this and if I'm being a total bitch about this situation and how I feel about it, please don't hesitate to put it out there. Please let me know if this is just how the business is and that we dancers are supposed to hustle tips for them regardless if they do it for us or not, I'd really like to know. There's some dancers that will "chip in" on the tip to the waitress/ funny money girl if the customer didn't tip them at minimum 10%. Well, I got to thinking about that as well, I know damn well that if the shoes were on the other foot, if the dancer got stiffed by the customer like if she didn't get paid at all for her VIP or got paid half or something like that, the waitress/ funny money girl wouldn't "chip in" and help compensate the dancer for her lost money, even if they received a huge tip from the customer.

    Please give me your thoughts & feelings on this as I'd like to know if I'm being unreasonable about my feelings on this. I'm almost to the point that I'm only going to help who helps me and all other situations going to worry about myself only (w/o stepping on anyone's toes of course).
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    At my club if we help hustle tips for the bartender, waitress, whoever and they do usually try to reciprocate but i've found generally, unless they were a dancer thier help usually does more harm than good.

    I know they're just trying to help but most of the time it's so awkward, obvious, or badly timed that it kills my sale. The one exception is a girl who I used to dance with (she was there for years but blew out her knee and now waitresses) who throws in the line afdter I have a guy buy me one of her Red Bull shots. "Well now that she's all woken up, why don't you take her for a dance." Works like a charm.

    Maybe the girls aren't helping you out because they don't know what to say? Try asking them to use a couple of cute lines when you go to cash out your guy. They probably just don't have the kind of selling skills you do and/or aren't comfortable asking guys for things. Why else would you need to help them with thier tip? If they can't get thier own tip they probably have no idea how to help you get yours.



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    That sounds so uncomfortable! It's hard enough to sell dances and rooms without having to further solicit for other people, in addition to yourself.

    If you don't like doing it, and you're not going to cause trouble for yourself, then don't do it.

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    yes at my club in dallas the waittress think we are to help but i agree with you nope cause they dont help me.

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    I think it's really nice of you to suggest a tip for the waitress. Do the waitresses at work know that you help them get hooked up? Maybe "hustling" a tip is the wrong way to think of it... they do deserve one and you're simply pointing that out in case the customer didn't know. I have a feeling that strip club waitresses get stiffed on tips with far more frequency than waitresses in a regular restaurant/bar. Simply because they're less able to work their personality/sex appeal on a customer who is already sitting with another, half-naked employee of the club who is doing way more for them than the waitress is. Plus, it's not as though a bouncer is going to kick a customer out for not tipping the waitress, especially if they sat and drank/bought dances all night. They're kind of a low priority in terms of tip money. If the waitress were hustling her own tip from your customers, you can bet that would be about 10X as annoying as controlling it yourself.

    Obviously you don't owe anyone anything. But I think any generosity and thoughtfulness you use to keep the money circulating in your club is going to end up being a good thing.
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    If a waitress doesn't do anything to help me, especially after I've helped her out a few times, I will not bother to hustle tips for her anymore. I have NO problem hustling tips for the staff as long as they realize it's a two-way street and point me to money and/or straight up help me hustle. But if they don't do that, or the tables they point me to always suck, I stop getting them money and I haven't ever noticed it hurting my income. People like that are not worth the bother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    If a waitress doesn't do anything to help me, especially after I've helped her out a few times, I will not bother to hustle tips for her anymore. I have NO problem hustling tips for the staff as long as they realize it's a two-way street and point me to money and/or straight up help me hustle. But if they don't do that, or the tables they point me to always suck, I stop getting them money and I haven't ever noticed it hurting my income. People like that are not worth the bother.
    Thanks Bridgette and everyone else, that's basically what I needed to hear. I suppose I've "put up" with it lone enough because I've wanted to try to keep the piece there but last night was finally my breaking point. I can tell you, the waitresses there do very well, there's times where the waitress has brought home more money than the dancers (definitely more than 1 occasion). They EXPECT 20% on the total drink & room tab and there's some who turn their noses up when they get any less.

    I think when it comes to them not hustling money for me, it's because they just don't see outside the box, ie; if I got her back, she'll get mine. Doesn't seem to work that way there. I also get the vibe of this negative energy like there's some unspoken war against the dancers for some reason, like they think of us as low life's. And some of the funny money girls used to suggest to add in a tip but stopped for some reason (they stopped but I never did) so I guess I'm finally feeling now that I'm stopping too. I do hear other girls say "I tipped (insert name) $X because the customer didn't give her a good tip and I felt bad about it" but I never ever once heard a dancer say to me "(Insert name) tipped me $X amount because she felt that the customer stiffed me". I admit, I've been that dancer a couple times as well but started really thinking about last night and realized, I'm going to worry about ME and my money, if you don't help me, don't even think I'm going out on a limb for you. I'm not cut throat & never step on toes but I'm not going extra mile for you when you can't even go an extra inch for me.

    Thanks again, I just needed to know that I wasn't being a total bitch or this was one of those "unwritten rules" I needed to know about.

    Thank you ladies, especially Bridgette, always love your advice!
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    i love to help people make more money if they help me make more. unfortunately, i've had too many bad experiences.

    at this point, anytime i suggest a guy tip, it's about the spirit of generosity...his spirit. a guy who's in the habit of spending will spend. if he tips the waitress well, i'm more likely to be tipped well too. and a guy who tips a waitress poorly probably won't be very generous with me.

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    i hate the idea of this. it should be up to the CUSTOMER to determine the tip. i could not deal with them expecting me to do their job (earn a tip)!

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    well, here's my thoughts. i agree with B. but, many of the waitresses and FM girls just don't get it. i struck a deal with the last FM girl (she only serves on floor and not in VIP now and therefore doesnt do FM). i told her, if you get them to tip me, i will give you x% of my tip. i think i said 10%, directly, or get them to tip you. i might have said 5%. and this worked VERY well.

    so my advice is, talk to whomever does the FM. tell them you want to help them get tipped but it's a two way street. so, ask for their help and in return you'll help them, or tip them 5% if their tip is unsatisfactory. when you say you will tip someone, they LISTEN! hope that helps.

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    I would straight up talk to the waitresses. Just be like " I would really appreciate it if you would ask the customers to cover my funny fee and I will make sure they over tip you." That is bull shit. My waitresses and I cover each others asses
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    I've already talked to them before. Sigh.....I guess some people either don't get it or they have a sense of entitlement like the deserve it or something. It's a two way street, if you help me make money I'll return the favor but if I'm the only one doing the hustling, I'm eventually getting tired of not getting the favor in return and all it's doing is they're hurting themselves. Maybe not as many people think outside the box, it's like duh, I'm only going to do this so many times before I say f*ck it, until you return the favor, forget it, I'm only worrying about myself and if you don't get a nice tip or a tip at all, oh well!!!!
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    Too many clubs have gotten to the point that they want the dancers to pay their employees for them. They get it in the dj, bouncer and waitresses heads that they should be looking for their bread and butter from us. Last time I checked, men went to a strip club to see the dancers, not the dj, bouncers and waitresses...There have been too many waitresses and djs (that didn't last long) who didn't realize that they can't behave like children, driving away the customers in the process and expect us to make money to tip them with. I still haven't seen why anyone but the dj should be tipped since they can really talk it up for us on stage.

    Before I left dancing I told the bouncer that he wasn't getting a tip because they whole time I worked at the club he neither walked me in or out or carried my bag. I don't tip a bellman who make me carry my own bags, why should I tip him? At the beginning of my time at that club, they hired bouncers who did their jobs correctly: they got our food for us, brought in our bags, handled rowdy guys, told us when money came in, walked us to our cars AND made sure we weren't followed, etc. At the end, they just hired thick necks who had their hands out for doing exactly squat (unless trying to fuck us counted). As far as the waitresses went, I stuck with 2 that I got along with who knew when to come ask me for a drink and got my chips fast. I made money and made sure my customers tipped them for me.
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    I think it's time to pull back. I used to tip well and talked up the support staff for the customers to tip. I didn't get a lot of appreciation and the customers started getting resentful this year! Now I push my favorites and that's it. One guy said" I come here to give you money. I don't give a damn about them--let the club pay 'em." After that I shut the f up about it!
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