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    Default History? China? Vietnam? Help!

    Somehow I've fallen into an alternate reality and I am trying to answer this question:

    What were the goals of the revolution in China and Vietnam? To what degree were they able to achieve their goals by the late 1950’s?

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    There is probably quite a bit for China, look up Mao Tse Tung. For Vietnam what ever the Chinese communist party told them to do. Look up Ho Chi Minh.

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    Great Leap Forward. Hmmm. I'm no expert, but from what I can remember, the main goals of the Chinese Revolution was to industrialize the country in order to keep up with the Western world. Drugs were fiercely prohibited, and Chinese culture was basically raped because it was seen as "frivolous" and as a remnant of an elitist class.

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    I don't know anything about Vietnam, but I know a little about China. Which revolution are you referring to? China had a very tumultuous twentieth century, with takeovers and foreign rule at the hands of the British, French, and Japanese, plus their own communist takeover and subsequent evolution into fascism. (Today they are communist in name only; the system is actually fascist, at least in the cities.)

    As for how they were able to meet their goals in the 1950's - whose goals? China was extremely divided in 1950.

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    China


    Mao tse tung


    Ho Chi Minh



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    Basically breaks down like this, in the twenties, China was approaching something like a democracy from the influence of Dr Sun Yet-Sen and under the leadership of Chang Kai-Shek. This government was established around 1928, but in 1949 under the leadership of Mao Tse Tung aka Chairman Mao, the communists came back and took over, and have had control ever since. This is a very broad subject, which really requires a lot more than a few posts on sw to get a good understanding.

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    I know. I guess I have to admit I was hoping for a homework slave or something to pop out of the internet.



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    basically it all boils down to a ruling 'elite' plus a mob of easily led 'poor' in every case ... hmmm, exactly where America now seems to be headed ! That pesky 'middle class' always seems to cause problems LOL.

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    There is probably quite a bit for China, look up Mao Tse Tung. For Vietnam what ever the Chinese communist party told them to do. Look up Ho Chi Minh.
    This is anything but correct.

    Remember, the Chinese occupied Vietnam for 1000 years. And after the US left Vietnam, the Chinese invaded Vietnam in 1979. They still have serious border tensions.

    Much as many Americans don't realize, there was not simply one flavor of communism (thus, Nixon's efforts to engage China in an effort to play them against the Soviets). The Chinese have never been the friends of Vietnam.

    In short, the Chinese communist revolution was a conflict between nationalist elements (Chiang Kai Shek) and communist elements (under Mao Zedong) after the fall of their last dynasty (name escapes me at the moment). This is a gross simplification, but remember, this was a twenty-year civil war.

    Vietnam's communist revolution was predominantly a nationalist response to continued colonization (Japanese/French) and occupation (US, post-French departure). People forget that after the defeat of Japan in WWII, Ho Chi Minh approached the US and UN about kicking out the French and granting them independence (he'd modeled his goals for Vietnam on the American Declaration of Independence). The French were economically devastated after the war and needed their colonies for economic survival, so we let them keep it.

    Then Dien Bien Phu fell...you know the rest of the story..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    For Vietnam what ever the Chinese communist party told them to do. Look up Ho Chi Minh.
    Are you joking? China and Vietnam fought in 1979 or there abouts (Vietnam won). China purposely and with ill intents agreed to Vietnam being split in 2 after the French were defeated.
    China would strip supplies passed from the Soviets to Vietnam.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese...utionary_Party


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam..._Party#History
    In 1941, Viet Minh - a communist and nationalist liberation movement emerged under Ho Chi Minh, to seek independence for Vietnam from France as well as to oppose the Japanese occupation

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    I really like Vietnamese foods.

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    Look at the date in the OP ^^^^

    Anyhoo eah I have a sketchy idea of Indochina history pre WW2. The Viets and the Mungs were forced out by the Han, that such.

    Vietnam had to rely on China for the transfer of war material. Not every thing came through Haiphong. When you relay on someone else for your security you are forced to do what they say. Yep they did fight a war in 1979. Heck they still shoot at each other over islands in the South China sea. 1979 is after the date that the OP desired , just to be clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AznExtasy View Post
    I really like Vietnamese foods.
    lololol SM reference?

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