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    The "pet peeves" thread actually inspired me to write this. I don't know if I am alone in this sentiment, but my secret biggest pet peeve is: loud obnoxious small children on planes and their moronic parents who have no control over them.
    Disclaimer: This thread may get me flamed but I assure you, I am not an intolerant person. I am a nanny on weekends and I adore kids! I am also aware that there are many well-behaved kids on planes out there (and G*d do I love their parents!) However, it's the babies that scream for hours at a time, the toddlers who raise hell, and the parents who have absolutely no control whatsoever that can make a plane ride feel like nothing short of a jaunt through fucking hell.

    Here's a fun story that helped solidy this hardcore pet peeve of mine:
    I fly home from California to Massachusetts to spend holidays with the fam. Last year my guy and I board the plane to MA to take the 6 hour flight and he agrees to change seats with me as I was sitting directly next to a toddler and did not want to. Odd behavior, right? Not for me. I am an emetophobic (for those that don't know it is a debilitating fear of myself/anyone vomiting). I am aware that sometimes kids experience motion sickness, so my guy agreed to take the seat next to the toddler, just in case. The flight turned out to be a breeze, and the toddler was very well behaved due to parents entertaining/staying on top of the child's needs.

    Now on the way back to Cali shortly after Christmas, we board the plane and I notice immediately that there are 2 babies, and five toddlers (yes five) seated immediately around us. I felt like we were seated in the middle of a McDonald's playground. This should have been my first clue for the hell that I was about to endure. I did not ask to switch seats with my bf, figuring I was being silly and overly-cautious during the first flight. Then he and his parents board the plane; the child who will haunt my nightmares for years to come. His name was Jared, a child of about five years old who looked like was just a miserable, angry little kid who I got the pleasure of sitting directly next to, with an aisle between us. Within three minutes everyone seated within five rows knew his name because (sorry to call a kid this but..) he was a total brat #1, and #2 his parents were a fan of the "Let's Loudly Talk It Out and then Bargain with the Five year old" technique. Example:
    Jared: upon boarding the plane, stomps his feet furiously and yells at a mom and two toddlers " YOU'RE IN MY SEAT!!!!"
    Jared's Mom: "Ok Jared, I know you're feeling angry right now but the flight attendant switched out seats for a reason. Jared..Jared? Now if you want to come sit in this seat next to Daddy and me, we'll give you a CINNAMON RAISIN BAGEL, JARED."
    Parents like this are just about as clueless as they come. In their minds, I am sure they think come off as edgy, hip, new-age parents who are PATIENT and UNDERSTANDING, but really, they just looked like dumbass dipshits. (When did discipline die?)

    Anyhow, the Jared's lack of discipline continued to prove itself evident as he lashed out verbally and physically against his mother and baby sister. This kid was the most angry child I have ever seen. I don't think I heard so many "I HATE YOU'S" in my life from a child, or anything human for that matter. The bargaining also continued and once Jared stuffed his bagel down his gut he stopped bratting for five minutes and started grumpily at a laptop playing a Backyardigans DVD. It was then that Mom and Dad took advantage over the cabin's first silent moment and felt it was the appropriate time to loudly discuss Jared's angry behavior with one another. Then slowly but surely the babies began to cry, first one than the other. This kicked off the toddlers becoming unruly. Before we knew it, we were surrounded by yells, screams and shrieks, and two toddlers who began running up and down the aisle. This continued for the last two and a half hours of the flight. My bf and I were officially in hell. The other passengers looked like they were beyond miserable; annoyed glances were given amidst the choas and there were people shaking their heads.
    Finally, we begin to descend. At this point the babies are still crying but there is one toddler two rows back, who is incessantly shrieking the loudest angriest most fucking continual PIERCING shriek I have ever EVER heard. No lie, this shit sounded animalistic.. primal. Suddenly in the midst of this, I notice that Jared has become eerily quiet and something in my begins to freak out as my "emetophobe radar" begins to blare from within. Jared's eyes looks glazed and he's staring straight ahead, pale as a sheet.
    I knew.
    Jared's Idiot Mother: "JARED SWEETIE ARE YOU OK? WHAT'S WRONG JARED? JARED ARE YOU OK? HOW ARE YOU FEELING JARED?"
    I quickly ducked into my guys arms, covered my ears and slammed my eyes shut, desperately trying to block it all out. Sure enough, within 5 seconds, Jared's vomit vapors wafted up my nose. As if on cue, the pilot's voice spoke within the cabin and made my very worst nightmare 100% motherfucking complete:
    "Folks we apologize for the inconveinence but there are a few planes in front of us so we're just going to taxi the run-way for a few more minutes."
    I wasn't aware that we had even landed but that was all I could take. A full blown-panic attack wracked my body and I was in tears, struggling to get a full breath in the horrid stench. I ran aimlessly to the front of the plane begging a women if I could sit next to her (she had reserved a seat for her little dog in a carrier). I'm trying to get myself together when suddenly I hear eight rows in back of me:
    "NOW JARED, THAT WAS CALLED THROWING UP. WHEN I WAS LITTLE, WE CALLED IT 'THE SICKIES'! NOW IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE GOING TO DO THAT AGAIN, YOU NEED TO TELL MOMMY...I THINK YOU MIGHT BE ALL DONE THOUGH...WHAT A WASTE OF A PERFECTLY GOOD BAGEL..HAHAHAHAA! LOOK SWEETIE, I SEE RAISINS!....JAred, IF YOU HELP MOMMY CLEAN UP THE SICKIES WE CAN GO TO GRAMMA'S POOL WHEN WE GET HOME!!"
    How much I hated that women at the moment, I still can't even express. NO ONE on the plane was amused and utterances of "unbelievable" and "get me the hell out of here" could be heard. Then Dumb Ol' Dad begins to boom:
    "YOU KNOW, I WASN'T FEELING SO GOOD MYSELF EARLER. MAYBE IT WAS SOMETHING WE ALL ATE."
    You moron!!! I am not even a parent and I knew that your kid was going to chuck his fucking cookies all over the plane. It wasn't something he ate, he was motion-sick and agitated by the drones of Angry Shriek Child! Gahed!!! How can parents be so clueless?!
    Meanwhile, the babies were still wailing away but The Shrieker had ceased his ear-splitting screams. The rest of the toddlers were still restless and all I could think was,
    Get. Me. The. Fuck. Off. This. Plane.

    So yeah, since then, call me crazy but I will go through all extremes to make sure I do not sit next to a child on planes. I vow that unless it is an emergency, I will *never* travel by plane with small children. They obviously don't like, it must hurt their ears, they are bored out of their fricken skulls...so why torture everyone else??? I now pray before a flight that an ill-behaved child will not end up next to me. I have been lucky. I have flown twice since then and my flight has been bratty-child free! whoopee!! However, I suspect that my flight home will not hold as much luck. We will be tortured by Children On Planes again, no doubt. Until then, I can only hope for the best.

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    Yikes!! That was super-long. My apologies. I let the rant get the best of me!!

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    Next month will be Kembra's first plane trip to NY. She likes to be carried around a lot, so I hope she doesn't get too upset when we have to sit for a long time. I'm also worried that it will hurt her ears and she'll cry a lot from it. Sorry but I am not going to keep her from seeing her extended family because of people not liking kids. I don't like screaming babies just as much as the next person - in fact, it upsets me on another level because I am worried about her and it raises my blood pressure.
    If it bothers people that much they can fly first class. That's what you get when you fly coach - a bunch of stupid people and kids around you - like riding the bus.

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    <---Nervously flying tomorrow. Hoping for a squall-free experience.

    I didn't know about emetophobia. Well I guess I figured there must be a phobia term, there is for pretty much everything, I just wasn't aware what it was. I get seriously squicked too. Good thing I'm bringing my laptop and some sound-erasing earbuds...


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    Alexxa, hope I did not offend. I *DO* like kids. As a matter of fact, I love them. It's just being stuck in a small space for hours on end with a horribly behaved one and oblivous parents that makes me crazy. I understand from your end what it might be like as a mom and have that elevated blood pressure due to a crying baby. I'm just reporting what is was like on the other hand. Again, I adore kids, it was just an experience that was horribly frustrating.
    Sunday, good luck to ya! We had earbuds as well but if you can actually imagine it, there was a point during that flight that the earbuds did us no good at all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexxaHex View Post
    If it bothers people that much they can fly first class. That's what you get when you fly coach - a bunch of stupid people and kids around you - like riding the bus.
    I can't quite tell if you're being facetious or not, but you often can still hear babies crying in first class and sometimes even people with babies fly on there too. Especially domestically. When I flew to Australia less than a year ago there was a couple flying with their baby in the seat/bed next to me. Luckily the baby was pretty mellow and only cried a bit during takeoff and landing.

    BTW, I actually don't mind crying babies on planes that much. It actually makes me kind of sad to hear it.

    Plus, parents can't exactly discipline kids on planes either. What are they gonna do, send them to the galley for a time-out? Definitely not any sort of corporal punishment, even if that's what they do at home.

    Little kids get restless and sitting on a plane for hours on end makes them cranky and whiny.

    Even as someone with no children of my own, I'm still aware there's only so much a parent can do on a plane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexxaHex View Post
    Next month will be Kembra's first plane trip to NY. She likes to be carried around a lot, so I hope she doesn't get too upset when we have to sit for a long time. I'm also worried that it will hurt her ears and she'll cry a lot from it.
    Alexxa, if you can get her to nurse by then - did you know that breastfed babies do better on planes than bottlefed ones, simply because the type of stronger sucking action required by the breast can actually clear their ears? Just a fun fact. So your odds are good!

    I hope you both do well on the plane together - I know I'll be anxious when I take my baby on a plane (same time next year) for the same reason. I really do NOT want to disturb others either.
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    I understand an airplane may be a difficult place to discipline if needed but gosh, it never took much more than a stern look from my mother and I knew if I continued to misbehave that I would be in for it one way or another! I once threw a tantrum in a crowded store because I wanted my mom to buy me a barbie doll. I thought I could get away with the tantrum because we were in a crowded place, but once we got out to the car, I got a spanking. I never pulled that shit again with her because I knew that if she couldn't discipline me at that moment, she would eventually, and I totally feared consequence of bad behavior. I really feel like that fear of consequence is missing nowadays, with some children. There are no bad behavior consequences in some families, espescially the ones where all that bargaining crap going on. My parents would NEVER bargain with me! "No" meant "no," and I respected it. A lack of disclipline translates into a lack of respect from kids toward their parents eventually, and that's what I saw from said family on the plane that day. Unfortunately many other passengers had to suffer because this kid was unruly; clearly undisciplined.
    I am willing to bet that kid from the plane didn't face any consequences of hitting his baby sister even off the plane.

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    I understand where you're coming from Kaiyla and I'm not offended, but sometimes it helps to think of things from a parent's point of view. That little Jared kid sounded like a brat and I think his parents could handle things differently and get a better result. I definitely sympathize, just saying there's nothing you can do about babies crying. It's not like you can discipline an infant.

    I also read that you mentioned that you *do* like kids, I should have worded that differently.

    And in first class, there is more room. You're not packed like a can of sardines directly breathing everyone else's puke smell and air, as you would be in coach so it's a bit more tolerable. I know there are sometimes kids there too but the chances of it are less. Usually you see a lot of businessmen.

    Rose - That's good news! I HOPE she is BFing by the time we travel. I don't know if she will. I've been trying to get her to nurse for about a month now to no avail. I have some more options but ultimately it's up to her. I'll be okay with her just staying healthy from pumped milk, but I'd be thrilled if she were nursing by then!

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    On my way to london from australia and back from london to australia there were awful noisy kids and screaming babies on both flights.

    I find everything about flying pretty much unbearable - the small seats, sitting next to people I don't know and screaming babies. But I cannot afford to fly first class unfortunately esp on long haul international flights.

    On the flight to london there were a couple who refused to take their kid out of the thing that the babies sleep in on the plane and seatbelt the kid in. The staff were arguing with them saying it was for the child's safety and for the safety of the passengers - that child could have been thrown out of that bed thing and hit another passenger. They wouldn't listen to the staff, finally the captain came out and they still wouldn't listen, saying the kid won't stop crying and they didn't want to wake it up.

    Well it was bullshit. They should have been disciplined for disobeying the captain, fucking rubbish. If that kid had of injured someone else it would have been their fault. I wanted to get out of my seat and punch the fuck out of them both.
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    Honestly, I think there should be family areas on airplanes
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexxaHex View Post
    And in first class, there is more room. You're not packed like a can of sardines directly breathing everyone else's puke smell and air, as you would be in coach so it's a bit more tolerable. I know there are sometimes kids there too but the chances of it are less. Usually you see a lot of businessmen.
    This is true I have flown this way about 5 (10 if you count both ways) times in the past year and I have only had to deal with a child twice. One of them being a spoiled annoying obnoxious brat, the other being relatively well behaved.

    The thing that really gets me is kids under 2 (I believe) can sit in their parents laps and fly for free while I have to pay $80 EACH WAY for my 4 lb. yorkshire terrier to be shoved under the seat. I can't even have the carrier in my lap, it MUST be under the seat. She has flown alot and just sleeps the whole time so it's not like she is jumping around and barking. She would be perfectly content to just sleep on my lap under a blanket or something, but no under the fucking seat! This makes me SO mad I can't even put it into words!!! It is definately one of my top pet peves. Personally I think some children should be shoved under the seat but thats just me.

    Oh and before I get flamed for that last comment, thank you to any SW parents who know how to dicipline their kids and have taught them how to properly behave in public.

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    That is a great idea !

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    Misha, I LOVE that idea! Talk about ideal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinaDaisy View Post
    I can't quite tell if you're being facetious or not, but you often can still hear babies crying in first class and sometimes even people with babies fly on there too. Especially domestically. When I flew to Australia less than a year ago there was a couple flying with their baby in the seat/bed next to me. Luckily the baby was pretty mellow and only cried a bit during takeoff and landing.

    BTW, I actually don't mind crying babies on planes that much. It actually makes me kind of sad to hear it.

    Plus, parents can't exactly discipline kids on planes either. What are they gonna do, send them to the galley for a time-out? Definitely not any sort of corporal punishment, even if that's what they do at home.

    Little kids get restless and sitting on a plane for hours on end makes them cranky and whiny.

    Even as someone with no children of my own, I'm still aware there's only so much a parent can do on a plane.
    that reminded me of when i flew with my middle daughter (10-mos. old at the time) in business to taiwan (20-hr flight) and the look of horror, annoyance, and despair on the people assigned around me when they got on and saw me sitting there holding her was literally palpable. the guy sitting right next to me tried to argue and coerce the crew to change his seat for 5-minutes during boarding. the sighs and head-shaking was not even hidden. taiwanese/chinese aren't known for their subtlety.

    ah, but they didn't know my kids are angels. even the babies.

    whenever my daughter acted up, i played with her or strolled around the galley with her to comfort her and out of earshot. it got to the point where a couple of the neighbors (especially this old lady) was like "let hold her while you go to the bathroom!"

    as we were disembarking my neighbor commented to me that he was expecting a horrid trip with my daughter there and wanted to apologize because he said it turned out to be a very relaxing trip! in fact, one of the people right behind exclaimed "hey, where did that baby come from? i didn't hear it!"

    but it definitely depends on the rearing and child themselves. i've seen and experienced similar horror stories like the op. but i definitely think it's a matter of discipline (for toddlers and up. whereas for infants, like my story, it's a matter of comfort and soothing). you don't have to be an ogre but you have to teach the child its place, it's the child and you're the parent. no negotiations. no discussions.

    that's for adolescence.

    +1 on misha's idea!

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    Well many things come in factor when travelling with a child. The child could be ill, the child could be scared, the child could have ADHD, the child could be autistic, they could have been held over from another flight, the could be having a situation in the family that cause them to have to be in the plane. The parents could also be going through something that can make others perceive that they aren't doing their job as a parent because their child isn't a model child.

    People have good days and bad days, children are no different, in fact because of the lack of communications skills from a child it is manifested in actions and to others it will be bothersome.


    Point is I don't believe that any parent goes with their child with the intention to annoy anyone on a plane but the stress alone of travelling, luggage, information, security and add a child with extra things and needs you will have a tired parent and a child who is viewing all these new things and trying to explore.

    Do you know how hard it is to travel with a child? very, very difficult.

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    I hate parents who dont discipline their children in public in general. Planes, restaurants..whatever. Maybe YOU have learned to tune out Juniors crap....but guess what EVERYONE else has not.

    I'm not unreasonable. As long as the parents are TRYING..I'm sympathetic. Thats ALL I ask. Kids can be brats sometimes for no reason..I KNOW that. Its the parents that just ignore it...or worse act like their kid is entitled to act that way that pisses me off.

    We had breakfast at an IHOP last weekend. Behind us was a family with a small child(I would guess around 4ish...) THe kid kept kicking his feet under the chair. Well....the benches are connected so yeah...he was kicking my ass. Parents chatting away as he kicked..boom boom boom. I finally turned around and, very politely, asked them to try and make him stop kicking my ass. They IMMEDIATELY apologized and every time he started after that, they stopped him. Perfect. Thats all I ask.

    In a plane..you obviously cant take the kid outside..lol...but you can make sure you bring games, books, whatever to keep your kid occupied. TRY parents.....for the sake of the REST OF THE PLANE!!!

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    Yeah parents should step up, no doubt! Hell I am one of those who warns before hand "Alright kids we are going to ... and we have to behave a certain way and explains why... if you do not behave we are leaving because it is unacceptable"
    and if they don't behave I get them and leave, no matter where we are, plane is a little different but I certainly make damn sure my kids are behaved, sometimes it really is out of my control but I make sure I apologize to those who are around me and make sure they see I am doing my job, parenting.

    I also make sure when I travel that I get things, new things to keep my children well entertained but last time we travelled was to Holland a 10 hr flight! that was not easy, at all!!! customs and stress was major and I had this one lady when she saw the kids she gave me the "Oh great fucking kids" look and let me tell you it made me wish they were little monsters just for her! but they weren't lol

    I had the flight attendants tell me "your kids are a freaking joy! your older one looks like the little kid form Jerry Maguire, I love him" lol but the baby well he's a baby, he will cry, get bored and so on but I always try to remember not everyone is on a plane for the same reason and if a child is not behaving and the mother or father seem overwhelmed I cut some clack and or even go extra and entertain the child, not by taking over but little things help too. I know it's not my responsibility but it makes it more pleasant to see it as a little game than "fuck kids"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    I'm not unreasonable. As long as the parents are TRYING..I'm sympathetic. Thats ALL I ask. Kids can be brats sometimes for no reason..I KNOW that. Its the parents that just ignore it...or worse act like their kid is entitled to act that way that pisses me off.
    100% in agreement there. At least TRY. I am totally sympathetic. I may have to grit my teeth sometimes, but I can totally put myself in their position and see how frustrating it is for them . . . IF they're at least trying. (And "trying" I don't mean aggression, meaningless spankings with no other behavioral follow-through or YELLING AT AN INFANT, for fuck's sake. Not to get carried away with critiquing parenting styles at all - there's a broad range of techniques that don't even come close to that kind of half-assed, ignorant crap.)
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    Thats why I only fly red eye. I have never been on a plane with a child, or maybe I did and they were fast asleep.

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    Man, I would have lost it. Sorry to kinda go off topic but I have that vomit fear too. I thought I was the only 1 and now I know what it is called. I had some friends that used to tease me about it. Well maybe I shouldn't call them old friends, friends wouldn't tease about someones disorders. Anyways when I used to hang out with them, almost every time the guy would drink he would get sick so I was always watching him for signs. The first sign I noticed I would take off running. Then they caught on and he started acting and joking about it.

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    Honestly, I think there should be family areas on airplanes
    Yeah, it's called the fucking cargo hold.


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    Worst flight of my life was home from Jamaica after christmas. A family sat in my row with 5 toddlers. They were listening to the DVD player out loud, when I was trying to sleep or read. What makes it ok to listen to a DVD without headphones?

    If I took out a CD player and started listening to music aloud, someone would have told me that was not permitted.

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    Default Re: Young children on planes=Super Fun for Everyone Else!

    I've learned that flying at obscene hours of the night usually eliminated the child problem. My flight time of choice is 5:15 am, followed closely by just before or after midnight. Bonus? The flight is usually cheaper too.
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