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    Default Re: Do you think management affects a club's income potential?

    actually my club has had a string of about 20 different managers (some good, some not so good, current one completely inept) in the 5 years I've worked there. Each one lasts about 2-9 months. I just go in, see my customers, do my thing, and go home.

    I agree that the manager DOES have an effect on the overall tone and environment of the club itself. Whether or not a dancer allows the mood of a club to affect her mood and her earnings is completely up to her. Personally, I bank on nights when everyone else is pissy and cranky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan Wayward View Post
    Good managers take care of good customers and staff. They are consistent and do not constantly change rules, drink prices, or promotions. They're good at marketing or they know how to hire people who are. They know how to hold on to good people at the club -- not just dancers, but bartenders, servers, and DJs -- who are popular with the customers. They help maintain the tone of the club whether it be a party atmosphere or a more subdued, upscale one.

    Shitty managers ignore all of this, piss off regulars, contradict their own decisions, neglect promotions and run off good staff.
    Thanx Susan for a great post!! While a manager might not exactly be able to influence an individual dancers "hustle" (Unless of course he fires,suspends, fricks with schedule, etc. said dancer for rubbing him the wrong way or maybe for not rubbing him the "right way",etc.!!), they affect the club in too many ways to totally discount their influence...

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    Quote Originally Posted by britneyireland View Post
    I know I'm Obviously in the minority....but my earnings have absolutely no correlation to the manager. My happiness is determined by me, not my environment....so whoever happens to sit in the office and count the bar register after hours has very little affect on my business of selling lapdances.
    It's great if your manager doesn't bother you. But many do. I've had managers up my ass to get 70 dances that night (when I already had 50) because last night I got 60...looks good on their reports....and they actually think I'm tipping them $1 per dance. And then the one had the nerve to tell me I got 60 the night before because he was "on me"...Yeah, Like I bust my ass to make money for YOU...Unless you're Mr. MinahSky, I don't think so...

    Or a manager so pissed off that I wouldn't f*ck him that he would be on me about almost being late...not actually BEING late, but I had the chance perhaps to be late. Or something equally idiotic. I mean, it's not like he had anything better to do like, I dunno..RUN THE CLUB.


    Then there was the fat SOB too large to actually leave the manager's office so I got dragged away from a customer who's spending money to walk to the office so the idiot could tell me to(catch this) soak the moneyabgs for all he's worth....like I wasn't going to get all I could out of him ANYWAY!?!?!?!?

    I could go on, but I guess you get the point. Managers can definitely get your panties in a bunch while you're working even if you bank for them...Why? Because many of them are IDIOTS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan Wayward View Post
    Ah, you say this, but you do choose one club in which to dance, and you don't make that decision arbitrarily! The manager may not have to be wonderful, but I bet the manager at your club isn't entirely inept.
    well, ive worked in clubs where i absolutely hated the manager and i still made money.

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    Default Re: Do you think management affects a club's income potential?

    Quote Originally Posted by britt244 View Post
    well, ive worked in clubs where i absolutely hated the manager and i still made money.
    Do you think you would have made more money if the club were better run (i.e. had a savvier manager?).
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    ^What Sophia said.
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    I wish there was an "auto-like" setting that I could just have applied to all of your posts Sophia....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    Do you think you would have made more money if the club were better run (i.e. had a savvier manager?).
    nope. i did very well there, and that was consistant whether the manager i hated or the manager i loved was there. the one i hated sat on his fat ass and drank all night, tried to fuck all the girls, played favorites.. but i could still make money with him there same as i could any other time.

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    hell mother fucking yes

    i have witnessed it first hand. my old manager used to be more involved. he would give customers drink cards or "vip for a day" cards. he would set up promotions, etc.

    our new manager doesn't do a damned thing, and it is much slower now.. and this is supposed to be our busy season.

    also, he's hired some skanky girls, which has put off some of our better more upscale customers.

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    Default Re: Do you think management affects a club's income potential?

    I haven't read all the responses, but I can't say loudly enough:

    FUCK YES.

    THIS is the VERY reason that most clubs are having any problems at all. I am sure the myriad people replying to this have already covered most of what can go wrong/right, but I must say:

    MANAGERS AND OWNERS NEED TO 'MAN UP' TO THE FACT THAT ALMOST ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE CLUB THEY ARE IN IS THEIR FAULT, AND ONLY THEIR FAULT. THE BUCK MUST STOP SOMEWHERE. I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THE REST OF US BEING BLAMED FOR YOUR GREED,LACK OF BUSINESS AND PERSONAL SKILLS, AND SHITTY HIRING PRACTICES. IT IS YOUR FAULT, OWNERS. IT IS YOUR FAULT, MANAGERS. OWN IT, AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, BEFORE YOU RUIN IT FOREVER FOR THE REST OF US.
    DUH.

    Thank you for allowing me to rant.

    DJs, Bouncers, Waitstaff, Bartenders, Doorpeople and Dancers are sick and fucking tired of being blamed for everything wrong with the clubs. It starts at the top. If you don't hire dumbass theives and drug addicts, you won't have thievery and drugs and violence and fights and lawbreaking and general dumbassery. I forgot sexual harassment....that most especially.

    YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Cutting corners in ANY area of you business does not get good results....and then you wonder why you are having problems? Gee. What on earth could it be.

    It is sad when most of US are smarter than the people who are hired to manage us.

    Go take a hospitaltiy and businesss management course at your local community college. I promise, it won't hurt one bit. You might even learn something.

    The business is not what it used to be. Do you see the word BUSINESS? Well, if you run it like one, following the rules that most long-lasting! profitable businesses do, then maybe you just might not have the problems you are having now. It's time to grow up and join the rest of us in the 21st century. Hello.

    I hope a certain owner of a chain who now lives in the west is listening, since I am hearing through the grapevine you are running your clubs into the ground, one at a time. I should have realized that when you re-hired the man that had stolen tens of thousands of dollars from you, but hey...I thought you had common sense. Time has proven me wrong. You've rehired idiots and enforced ridiculous policies for over 10 or more years now. Guess this dumb stripper just doesn't understand.

    What. Ever.

    Nothing will change until some of these owners and managers get a grip and grow the fuck up. You can't effect serious change in the club until you get a good, solid, dependable management team in place. This new century calls for different visions of what the adult entertainment business can be, and it CAN survive, if someone has the cajones to make the right decisions and the vision to enforce them.

    This job is not easy. It is not about free booze and pussy. It is about money, just like any other company. There's plenty of money in certain markets.

    Just....stop cutting corners and DO IT RIGHT the FIRST TIME. Everyone will benefit.

    We, your employees, are waiting. We are willing to work, and work hard, for someone who will be there when our backs are against the wall. You don't have to threaten or bribe us. We chose to do this work. GIve us a good, safe place in which to do it, and watch the money roll in. Watch as you never have to beg girls to come in to work (or not very often, LOL). Watch as your drug use is lessened (or at least hidden from view and the people doing it have their shit under control!); watch as law enforcement can't find that much to raid for.

    What you don't seem to understand is that you are selling yourselves short. Sure, how the clubs are run right now may give you quick money. What about 2 years from now? Five? Ten? If you are greedy, don't you want money EVERY year, not just this one? I don't understand. If money is what you want, wouldn't you want to KEEP making it, not to sabatoge the very thing that is making you money, so that it can't possibly last in the black for very long?

    Maybe I *am* stupid.

    If you're going to be greedy, for dog's sake, DO IT RIGHT.

    ...and I'm done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twisterinAZ View Post
    No shit ! ??!! Well that explains why he came back to Scottsdale. Sorry about that LolaRose. I'm also really surprised about the schedule thing. I know he doesn't do that at Skin. Maybe that was an owner decision???
    nope. I called the owner and told him about it. He said there would never be a schedule, but they'd like us to work 3 days, but he understands a lot of girls can't, b/c of kids/school/other job.....

    I'm glad he does well over there for you, but here, he messed things up.

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    Default Re: Do you think management affects a club's income potential?

    Management DEFINATELY affects a club's income potential.

    You have to make the customers feel a sense of obligation to spend money in the club on dances and on stage tipping.

    In my opinion EVERY club should push the stage and push the guys to tip EVERY dancer. In clubs I work where the DJ talks up for us, tips are great and dance sales are better. When some guys walk away from the stage when a black girl goes up, a good DJ makes them tip, or stops the music and get's tough. When dances aren't selling good management and DJ's pump up the crowd and try to help us get the guys to buy.

    Friendly cute waitresses who give the customers Nordstrom service make a HUGE difference to. It makes the guys feel comfortable, and comfortable guys will stay longer and participate in the show more. Good management and DJ's constantly announce that the girls are not going home with the customers and that the no touch rule is in effect.

    If money is hard to make in the club for the girls, gradually more and more girls will leave and that will cause customers to leave as well.

    Dancers need direction by well trained management, just like any group of people working together needs direction, and proper training will minimize drama between the girls, and dishonesty towards the customers from the girls.

    The club management needs to let the girls know when us costume sellers will be in too so the girls will have money with them. especially where I work and sell in rural areas, us coming in the club with 200 costumes, plus shoes and thongs in every color is like a store on wheels, and the nearest decent store is several hundred miles away. One club's GM always organizes the girls and calls us to come in to sell and out of 6-7 girls we sell 11-12 outfits. That same club the DJ helps the girls make money, and pushes the guys to tip. It makes a BIG difference, and guys know they have to participate in the show to be there whenever the come in.

    When money is hard to make for the dancers, all kinds of problems crop up that will ultimately lower the customer count in the club.

    That is why a new type of owner needs to evolve. Just like this country has turned for the worst because of conservative politicians pushing a pro big business agenda that has hurt the middle class, strip clubs have gone down because of corporatization and the new wave of owner who started focusing on getting big money out of a club and running rather than running a stable business that would be successful in the long run.

    Abandoning the stage in many clubs in lieu of the VIP and Champagne room and mega clubs has hurt this business.

    We need more owners with club and business experience who are friendly and likeable to own the clubs. More dancers should learn the business and consider ownership.

    When people get involved in a business who have no interest in it beyond the bottom line and sex on the side, it will always be run into the ground.

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