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    Default The latest crock of shit findings on gender issues...

    http://real-us.news.yahoo.com/s/live...utonlyforwomen

    Wow, I can't believe people are so harsh on talkative women. I usually love them!
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    I was told many many times with Ex that I was overbearing and controlling of him, when in fact, I wasn't. He had his disorder and I pretty much had to do most talking and dealings to get things done and he LIKED it that way. Of course, he was so timid he couldn't even tell people that. It ended up where I had to stop going out with him because my dominating conversations and answering questions for him would get ME in trouble. I was a bitch! - Apparently. Either way, nobody ever said a fucking WORD when my abusive ex wouldn't let me speak and would even say, 'Did I say you could talk?' to me in public, because that was okay.


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    Default Re: The latest crock of shit findings on gender issues...

    Depends on what they are talkin about.

    As long as they don't ask me about feelings, I'm ok with talky women.

    To be fair, they are judging COUPLES, not really women in general. People look down on couples in which the woman appears to be dominant, or so they are saying.
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    Right, but they assume it's cool for the guy to blather on constantly, while the feeling seems to be the women are better if they just shut up.

    Which is lame in my book. But then I was raised by a vocal woman, from a vocal family, men and women both. On my dad's side less so, though my paternal grandfather never stopped talking about how great he was, LOL.
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    Default Re: The latest crock of shit findings on gender issues...

    I think the important point is that the woman appears dominant, not just talky.

    They use terms like "aggessive and submissive".

    Their findings don't seem to wild or offensive to me. Their main contention is that when a couple appears to have a weak male, that couple is judged poorly. I feel that towards couples, too.

    I like alpha females, but I'm also much more dominant than any woman I've yet to encounter. When I see a guy whose girlfriend runs him, I look down on him a bit.
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    These are late findings? I think I read it wrong - how does it differ from sociological research on conversation patterns dating back to the 70s?

    If you want to do something interesting read a message board (like say stripperweb) after reading about male/female conversation patterns. It's interesting to see the ways in which it is followed and how it is not, and how there is, in certain areas, a constant struggle to reassert it. Then read it next to another message board without an ostensible or transparent gender orientation.
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    Wow. And sometimes I really have to write things down and re-read them to understand what a dork I am.
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    LOL, sounds like a good experiment--but not now, it's vampire sleepy time.

    I confess I didn't really examine the study thoroughly, it just sounded interesting and a bit disturbing from what I read of it, since I like talkative women.
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    My ex told me i talked to much. I talked about my day quickly, no bitching, and asked about his...wtf? Well, he did not talk enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysondra View Post
    I was told many many times with Ex that I was overbearing and controlling of him, when in fact, I wasn't. He had his disorder and I pretty much had to do most talking and dealings to get things done and he LIKED it that way. Of course, he was so timid he couldn't even tell people that. It ended up where I had to stop going out with him because my dominating conversations and answering questions for him would get ME in trouble. I was a bitch! - Apparently. Either way, nobody ever said a fucking WORD when my abusive ex wouldn't let me speak and would even say, 'Did I say you could talk?' to me in public, because that was okay.
    I can relate. I had a similar example with a loser ex years ago. He would always chastise me(yes, chastise; as in, the thing a mother does to her misbehaving 5-yr-old child) about talking too much, being too loud, or being too bold. This was during a point of my life that I really needed to be assertive and stand up for myself more to employers, coworkers, and classmates...I realized later that most of my problems at that time were due to me not standing up enough...yet he told me that I was TOO assertive and aggressive. WTF?? He would constantly tell me that I was TOO demanding for something that I wasn't demanding ENOUGH about.

    I realize now that the reason he did this was simply to exercise CONTROL, and because he realized that if I stood up for myself more, then I would be able to conquer things like getting raises and better jobs...and he didn't want me to succeed him. He wanted to keep me "below" his level so that he would feel superior by comparison.

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    Hmm. I wouldn't trust the findings till I saw those videos myself!

    Maybe they showed the "verbally assertive" women as straight up annoying, nags, bitchy, rude tone of voice, whatever.

    Maybe they didn't, who knows.

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    And some men are simply intimidated by women who are confident, They see this as bitchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamela View Post
    And some men are simply intimidated by women who are confident, They see this as bitchy.
    Yes yes yes I agree! That's what I was saying a few posts up, about an ex-boyfriend years ago who would constantly give me "put-downs" if I spoke up, expressed my true feelings about a bad situation, showed ambition, or overall showed confidence. When I had high goals, such as consistently making the Dean's List in college in pursuit of medical school, he would discourage me by saying that I should become a teacher instead of a doctor. Or he would intentionally underestimate my abilities to do well in the chemistry classes I needed for pre-med. Or he would tell me that I was "too greedy" by having such high goals such as Dean's List and med school. Why?...because he was an insecure college flunk-out that didn't want a girl succeeding him, since he already felt like an outcast and didn't want to feel even more inferior. What a nutjob and a control freak!

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    This reminds me of a study I heard about last semester. The study was on if women or men talk more. They had someone counting the words, and then afterwards asked the participants who they thought talked more.
    Almost all of the men said the women talked more, and many even said the women were pushy and dominated the conversation.
    But when the word counts were in, then men talked more than the women did!

    These gender studies irk me. They are not actually measuring anything about gender, just pointing out that women are still oppressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tofulita View Post
    This reminds me of a study I heard about last semester. The study was on if women or men talk more. They had someone counting the words, and then afterwards asked the participants who they thought talked more.
    Almost all of the men said the women talked more, and many even said the women were pushy and dominated the conversation.
    But when the word counts were in, then men talked more than the women did!
    I heard about that study!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tofulita View Post
    These gender studies irk me. They are not actually measuring anything about gender, just pointing out that women are still oppressed.
    I agree 100%! Fuck guys and them not liking my talkative nature...it just makes me want to talk even more, just to spite them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamela View Post
    And some men are simply intimidated by women who are confident, They see this as bitchy.
    Yeah, I agree. I mean there's true bitches out there, just as there are many asshole men--but the amount of talking they do or their confidence level has nothing to do with it. Truly confident men and women tend to be nicer in general, I would guess--they have nothing to prove or compensate for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    If you want to do something interesting read a message board (like say stripperweb) after reading about male/female conversation patterns. It's interesting to see the ways in which it is followed and how it is not, and how there is, in certain areas, a constant struggle to reassert it. Then read it next to another message board without an ostensible or transparent gender orientation.
    I used to do that. I did a whole paper once on sex worker/client interactions in different cultures. Fortunately the "educated" parts of my brain have faded away from non-use and I'm now able to live out my life in blissful ignorance.



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    Default Re: The latest crock of shit findings on gender issues...

    Fuck that research if it's saying talkative women should be, or are, frowned upon!

    I don't trust quiet girls lol

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