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    As the father of two young, African American males, I initially found this article distressing. Sadly, Mr. Whitlock's prediction regarding Sean Taylor's assailants was accurate...

    Taylor's death a grim reminder for us all
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    EDITOR'S NOTE: This column originally appeared Wednesday, two days before Friday's arrests of four men in the shooting death of Sean Taylor.

    "There's a reason I call them the Black KKK. The pain, the fear and the destruction are all the same..."

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    My husband printed out this article and brought it home for me to read.

    At first I thought it was no big deal, but then when I realized I was holding in my hands something that a reporter had written and decided to show the world, I realized how much of a big deal it was...

    I thought it was nothing special because I have had these thoughts for a long time...In my head. And I'm a white girl. And I don't say them out loud because I'm afraid of being called a racist. So I avoid the issue altogether.

    The fact that he's black, and not some random white rich dude, and the fact that he tells these things which most people would rather not look at or think about, is really cool to me.

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    Thats one angry letter!. Damn if he did not hit it on the head though.

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    He got what was coming to him most likely. You wave a gun in somebody's face, chances are that will be repaid one day. Beef is beef.

    Medieval Italy all over again.

    As far as the rest of it, I dunno, getting out of "that life" is pretty easy. I did it. I grew up in the hood, gangs, guns, drugs, the whole package. When I got tired of it, I just left. Now I'm a computer programmer that looks for love on online forums.

    He should leave Soulja Boy alone and look at maybe ending the Drug War and minimum wage and other such things. Rap is not creating the violence. The 80s crack epidemic in NYC which I grew up in(and the second wave I participated in in the early-mid 90s) was far worse than anything going on in many inner cities now, and rap back then was on some black power tip.

    I remember being in school. I was always a good student and I used to hear stuff like "Damn Tim, why do you always answer so many questions in class? Are you trying to act white?" Laughed at those gimps. And probably beat up more than a few. Ever since I saw Saved by the Bell, I had plans on settling in Southern California, probably as far back as junior high. I got here and it wasn't that hard at all. I kept my cock wrapped up, which made things a lot easier. Having a ton of babies puts a dent in one's moving plans for sure.


    I don't feel much sympathy for too many people who complain about stuff like that because it really isn't as bad as people think, unless you want it to be.

    The article got one point wrong that. Black entertainers are targets. Back in NYC, for certain, it was like chasing a gold medal to rob a rapper or a Knick or somebody like that. Especially when people like that lord it over others about what they have, the stick up kids come out to play.

    Blacks are self destructive, but most of it is a personal responsibility issue, not brainwashing from rap music or whatever. To be somewhat facetious but not totally, I think the weight problems of black women play a major role in the behaviors of black men. Older black men make me sick for the most part. They voted in a lot of the ridiculous policies we are afflicted with today and now they want to cry about it.

    I forgot what thread it was, but there was one recently where there was a rapist and a host of dudes from here were talking about what they would do to so-and-so if they got the chance. A lot of black violence is exactly that, people getting revenge on various lowlifes. Most of them won't be missed outside of the usual people who cry no matter how bad somebody is.
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    My favorite quote:

    "You're damn straight I blame hip hop for playing a role in the genocide of American black men. When your leading causes of death and dysfunction are murder, ignorance and incarceration, there's no reason to give a free pass to a culture that celebrates murder, ignorance and incarceration."

    Depressingly accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0t View Post
    To be somewhat facetious but not totally, I think the weight problems of black women play a major role in the behaviors of black men.
    I need you to explain this...
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    To be somewhat facetious but not totally, I think the weight problems of black women play a major role in the behaviors of black men.
    Not sure I take your meaning here. Seems to me, as an outsider looking in, that black women are the only thing that has held the black community together, at least what community there is in existence. This seems particularly true with regard to education, considering the large number of black women attending and finishing university and entering the professional workforce vis a vis black men. It's also a major reason why black women are having a tougher time finding similarly educated men with similar value systems for life partners; educated people of any race tend to want similar education and values in their mates, and black women have it rather tough in that regard.

    The "keepin' it real" mantra of hip hop is in direct defiance to evolution. There's always someone ready to tell you you're selling out if you move away from the immature and dangerous activities you used to do, you're selling out if you speak proper English, embrace education, dress like a grown man, do anything mainstream.


    The Black KKK is enforcing the same crippling standards as its parent organization. It wants to keep black men in their place — uneducated, outside the mainstream and six feet deep.
    Well said. This so-called Black KKK has arguably been more successful than its white counterpart ever was at relegating much of black society to a pathetic and desperate caricature fit for racist propaganda.
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    A lot of black women are "educated" but a lot of black men are just starting businesses based on their vocations, making more money, but without wasting 4 years in college. There are also plenty of college-educated black men out there. I'm one of them. We don't like fat black women. Most are fat. Believe it. That's why they can't find black men. We are running the other way.

    I won't disagree that black women have different VALUES than black men. Their values seem far different than mine, for sure. I never found the "I'm a STRONG black woman" chip-on-the-shoulder type to be particularly engaging.

    Nobody is enforcing keeping black men in their "place". This video is corny, but I think people are getting most of their ideas about "black men" from the statistics they counter in it.



    All those cliches about more black men in prison than in college, etc. Pft. OK.

    Some of you might find this video more interesting though:
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    Wow, tonight I had lapdances from 2 of the hottest black women ever. Woah, still amazed. Are you sure its a black thing? Shit, I don;t know. All I know if that I had some yummy nipples in my mouth and sweet asses vibrating against me. Does that have to do with the dancer's race? I am thinking no..........Kat likes sexy!

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    I'm sure.

    Hot black women are great. But they are a slim(pun intended) minority. Poor black guys who have no options are tellin them they are "thick and beautiful" but Timmy don't play that.
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    You know, I'm not black so maybe I should not be commenting on this issue but....

    1. lots of white women are fat.

    2. I grew up in a predominately black neighborhood...(why lie, I was the only white kid on the block) and very few of my class-mates were fat. Even now, sitting on my computer visiting my parents in Milwaukee, I don't see a huge population of fat black women taking over the streets here.

    3.I don't think that women being fat is causing the declination of society. Sorry, maybe I just don't see it but... I don't get it!
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    Don't you think the weight issues of black women have to do with the food that they are culturally raised to enjoy? Since they are women, they put on the weight more easily than men.

    Other than that point, I agree that he was bound to end up getting killed. When you are the kind of person who carries guns and uses them to intimidate people you'll end up on the wrong end of the gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francescadubois View Post
    My favorite quote:

    "You're damn straight I blame hip hop for playing a role in the genocide of American black men. When your leading causes of death and dysfunction are murder, ignorance and incarceration, there's no reason to give a free pass to a culture that celebrates murder, ignorance and incarceration."

    Depressingly accurate.
    That is my favorite quote also!

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    Not sure I take your meaning here. Seems to me, as an outsider looking in, that black women are the only thing that has held the black community together, at least what community there is in existence. This seems particularly true with regard to education, considering the large number of black women attending and finishing university and entering the professional workforce vis a vis black men. It's also a major reason why black women are having a tougher time finding similarly educated men with similar value systems for life partners; educated people of any race tend to want similar education and values in their mates, and black women have it rather tough in that regard.

    Well said. This so-called Black KKK has arguably been more successful than its white counterpart ever was at relegating much of black society to a pathetic and desperate caricature fit for racist propaganda.
    You are so right, Infact I sit and wacth black women, try to support others and do postive things in thier life. While I see thier black man or other black men. Blame everything on the man. I see many black men harboring excuses about how they cant do something, with thier life. Or thier idea of what black men suppose to do in thier life. Seem to be disrespecting women. Not supporting thier family, hey my moma did it on her own so can my baby moma. My baby moma need to independant, me helping her will baby her! Will not help her in life. (Yes a black man actually told me that)!

    I come from a mix family. For the record my dad is black. He is a wonderful man. He has been there for me, all my life. He is well educated and own a sucessful business. He support is family emotional, and financialy. So I know not all black men are bad.

    I find in the black society, I dont want to say culture. I see Black women supporting thier children and working hard to bring family togethier, Black men who want to suceed being thrown down by other blacks out of jealousy! Back men who is doing good being target by other blacks. While being a targets for whites. Or black men being lazy not doing nothing with thier life. They wont do anything Knowing that, what ever woman in thier life will take care of them. LET ME TELL YOU! I AM NOT THAT ONE! I also see them degrading a woman. Putting them down just to keep them with them! I see to many black men pushing black women thru these emotional turmoil. Black men blaming the black women for thier failure. When it is them who have to change thier life.

    We have good black men. I know a couple of them as friends. I wacth constant the struggles they encounter in the white community. The predjuice they encounter in the black community. It is hard being a good black man. The fears that gose thru thier mind. The things the have to endure for trying to good in thier life. The turmoil they go thru steping out of the box.




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    I'm sure.

    Hot black women are great. But they are a slim(pun intended) minority. Poor black guys who have no options are tellin them they are "thick and beautiful" but Timmy don't play that.

    Hey now,

    See shots there are big women in every race. Some men like big women. "Poor black men", have no option are telling them they are thick and beautiful. Please shot this is by the far the worst thing I ever heard from you! By the way I find the majority of the black women. In chicago to be slim.

    Making black men the victim, I guess the black women. Just enforce these comments on black men. That these black men, have sex with these "thick" black women. Only because they have no option! ( I wonder why they have no option)

    I am about to turn the tables around!

    Poor black women, they have to put up with the black man whining philosophy. How every thing is someone else fault! or how women deserve to be treated badly! Than they have to raise thier kids and support them financially all by them selves. Go thru the mental abuse, because thier black man, is very insercure with themseleves. They have to try and push thier men. To do better in life, because life can be good.

    Gee the stress a black woman has to go thru, with a black man. Poor black woman who dont want to give up on her black man.

    I DON'T PLAY THAT! I want a man not a child. Some of these black men act like a whining two year old. They need to growup!


    ****Disclaimer****(My fine print) I know thier are good blackmen. Who do not blame thier failure on other people. They go out there and work damn hard to support ther family. They support thier families, install good vaules into thier children. They are not just a black man. They are a good man. I have much respect for those men. I understand thier struggles. So when I turn the tables around, I ment those bad black men. Who refuse to step up an be a good man.
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    Interesting article, Budai. I think the single most important thing teenagers and twenty-somethings can do is commit to birth control. Every young person who's behind in their education and emotional needs should wait until 30 to have children. That would give them the time to develop socially and professionally and break that cycle of neediness and rage and rash desperate decision making.

    Most of these thugs would stop "thugging" if they thought they had options. They wouldn't turn on their fellow man. They wouldn't want to control women or have children to prove their power. They wouldn't hate themselves for not measuring up if only they took their time and learned. If only they dealt with their pain and depression early instead of acting it out.

    They'd have the experience and wisdom necessary to nurture a marriage and family. They'd need less financial help in the long run be self-sufficient and have a high enough self-esteem to weather the petty slights rather than live perpetually seeking revenge.
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    sEEMS TO ME wHITLOCK IS THE WORST KIND OF RACIST. hE HATES HIS OWN RACE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    Interesting article, Budai. I think the single most important thing teenagers and twenty-somethings can do is commit to birth control. Every young person who's behind in their education and emotional needs should wait until 30 to have children. That would give them the time to develop socially and professionally and break that cycle of neediness and rage and rash desperate decision making.

    Most of these thugs would stop "thugging" if they thought they had options. They wouldn't turn on their fellow man. They wouldn't want to control women or have children to prove their power. They wouldn't hate themselves for not measuring up if only they took their time and learned. If only they dealt with their pain and depression early instead of acting it out.

    They'd have the experience and wisdom necessary to nurture a marriage and family. They'd need less financial help in the long run be self-sufficient and have a high enough self-esteem to weather the petty slights rather than live perpetually seeking revenge.
    Optimist:

    Thanks for your clarity and insight regarding a volatile issue. IMO, your post sums up what has socially, economically and psychologically limited today's less fortunate young brothers from their cradles to their increasingly early graves.

    I believe the fundamental weakness of Jason Whitlock's indictment is that it fails to mention the factors you've addressed. The lack of "options" you mentioned often translates into a blind, macho overcompensation for the natural anxiety and depression created by that void. The inability and/or refusal of thugs to nurture a child or respect a mate stems from a lack of "the experience and wisdom necessary to nurture a marriage and family" that you eloquently noted. Ultimately, these factors are guiding a thug culture that understandably lacks a moral compass deeper into brutality and ignorance.

    I would be interested in Mr. Whitlock's response to your editorial which, IMO, cuts through the twin smokescreens of media-driven stereotypes and political correctness. Shit, Optimist, if you don't e-mail your post to him at [email protected], may I do so for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade View Post
    sEEMS TO ME wHITLOCK IS THE WORST KIND OF RACIST. hE HATES HIS OWN RACE.
    Like Chris Rock said:
    "Who's more racist: Black people or White people? -- Black people, because we hate Black people, too. Everything White people don't like about Black people, Black people really don't like about Black people."

    And I couldn't disagree with you more about Whitlock being a racist...


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    Sisters speak out: 'too many Black women are too fat'
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    NO harm intended, but the statistics speak for themselves. Black women, in epidemic proportions, some would say, are eating themselves to death. According to recent studies, 50 percent of African-American women are obese compared to only 40 percent of Mexican-American women and only 30 percent of White women. The problem, which seems to affect more Sisters at younger ages, is not simply a cosmetic problem.
    Yes, many are fat.

    I don't see what's so amazing about Optimist's post.

    Birth control is a great way to increase your chances, as I mentioned. Black women are notorious for trying to trap guys with babies, however. Most black male distrust of black women usually starts with the lying about birth control. A lot of the women in really poor areas have more kids because they get more welfare checks out of them. But many just want to "have his baby because he is SO fine."

    Condoms were cheap, so I just bought them and fiured out the complicated process of putting them on before coitus. Easy. Even with kids, things aren't impossible. I'm sure we have a lot of single moms here who are doing it.

    People love to inflate how "bad" they have it.

    Most "thugs" stop when they get older. Some guys like to LOOK like thugs when they are older because some women respond to it. Most guys who look like thugs are softer than cotton candy. It's like playing dress up. I also don't think turning on your "fellow" man is a bad thing if that man is not behaving appropriately, which is often the case.

    I don't think black men overwhelmingly "hate themselves." If anything, we tend to be more conceited than average and full of ourselves.

    My experience and wisdom tells me I don't WANT a family. Many other black men, especially the ones who have a modicrum of success, feel similarly. We've probably seen it more clearly than white men that, currently, marriage is a bit of a scam for men, and we'll just opt out, thanks.

    That's one area where I give rap a lot of credit. It often tells the truth about women and if men heed the warnings, they can just enjoy a life full of women, keep their money in their pocket, enjoy the finer things that men tend to enjoy such as tricked out cars. I rather see a guy spend money on rims than an engagement ring.

    There is no lack of options. Black men have plenty of options. We just have different goals now than what many want to herd us into. Black men have been in silent revolt against black women for some time now, as well as the "white picket fence" type of happy-ending scenario. I think it's fantastic. I spread that gospel to all the men I know, of any color.

    I don't think the article author is a self-hating black or whatever. Just repeating the usual tripe about/to black men. They've been saying that to us for maybe 2 decades now. We're not listening.

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    I don't see what's so amazing about Optimist's post.
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    Thanks a lot! You certainly do have my permission to forward it. I guess it's better if I do it though... I'll send it on!
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    Thanks a lot! You certainly do have my permission to forward it. I guess it's better if I do it though... I'll send it on!
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    Now that I'm more awake I can continue.

    I think in our society we attack men quickly! Men of all races. We aren't so good with preparing them to be men. We need to wait to have them when we're able to give them the massive amount of time and thought and support they need.

    I think these young boys are attending underfunded schools designed for the strengths of women not men. They need a teaching style designed for their strengths. It's hard to sit and wait your turn for hours and not want to MOVE when you're a boy. That's OK but most teachers (who are female) don't see that.

    Public Education was designed to fill up those lowest level jobs. These days we need much more for our children because you can't survive on the low-level paycheck you once could raise a famlily on.

    Were they able to excell there'd be a lot less need to prove their power through objectifying women, screwing all they can for the ego-boost, blaming women for their problems, bailing on the children they create.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    I think these young boys are attending underfunded schools designed for the strengths of women not men. They need a teaching style designed for their strengths. It's hard to sit and wait your turn for hours and not want to MOVE when you're a boy. That's OK but most teachers (who are female) don't see that.
    I agree with you, O., and I'm convinced that the current preferred intervention for such students has been ineffective in many cases.

    Recent studies suggest that a disproportionate number of minority children are labeled with developmental disorders like ADHD/ADD and transferred from mainstream curriculums into special education classes. Some of these kids are moved despite consistently higher scores on IQ measures than their less "restless" classmates, and they are often "dumbed down" in Special Ed. for the remainder of their schooling...

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    Were they able to excell there'd be a lot less need to prove their power through objectifying women, screwing all they can for the ego-boost, blaming women for their problems, bailing on the children they create.
    Bling will remain king while socioeconomic shortcomings coupled with the low self-esteem and anger stemming from them prevails amongst the young men at issue.

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    Interesting article!

    Regarding the overweight comments...often the economically-deprived and homeless are overweight. It sounds counter-intuitive, but it's becase cheap, highly-processed foods tend to be fairly empty in nutrition but high in Calories and fat. It's a more pre-industrial notion to associate being overweight with being well-fed due to affluence.
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    Interesting article, Budai. I think the single most important thing teenagers and twenty-somethings can do is commit to birth control. Every young person who's behind in their education and emotional needs should wait until 30 to have children. That would give them the time to develop socially and professionally and break that cycle of neediness and rage and rash desperate decision making.

    Most of these thugs would stop "thugging" if they thought they had options. They wouldn't turn on their fellow man. They wouldn't want to control women or have children to prove their power. They wouldn't hate themselves for not measuring up if only they took their time and learned. If only they dealt with their pain and depression early instead of acting it out.

    They'd have the experience and wisdom necessary to nurture a marriage and family. They'd need less financial help in the long run be self-sufficient and have a high enough self-esteem to weather the petty slights rather than live perpetually seeking revenge.
    Optimist was certainly the right name choice. The only part I agree with is the need to adopt birth control, the rest? Well I don't think the thugs could be asked to give a rats ass. The rest is just work, and requires effort. Why have a legitimate job and all that entails, if the .gov just pays..............?
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