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    Default anyone ever reported there club to the IRS

    in my case im talking former club...but...has it ever been done? most dancers aren't legally independent contractors, if im just pissed is there any place to report stuff like this to.

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    What? I can't understand your question. Most dancers aren't legally independent contractors? And you want to report the club for what?

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    If I were to work at a club so shady that I'd consider reporting them to Uncle Sam, I would get the hell out of the place first! Even if you report them, you might be liable for back taxes yourself!

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    reporting your club to the IRS is 'f$#king with the primordial forces of nature' ! Also agree with Katrine that there is a major possibility that if the IRS starts sniffing around your (former) club, the IRS will also start calculating 'estimated real earnings' for you and for all other dancers working at the club, and will send out back tax bills accordingly ! Good luck trying to prove to them that you DIDN'T actually earn the $150,000 in cash last year that they 'estimate' you did !

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    ya. bad idea

    if you wanna be a bitch, report them to health codes.....

    i know my club could get shut down if they came in and saw a dancer on the bar without shoes on. and we all take them off!

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    I don't understand your question.

    I do know, however, that if a club fines and/or schedules you, you are no longer an independent contractor, and they have to give you a W2. If not, then they are in deep shit.

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    ^^^ you are technically correct about those points. However, DOL rulings have gone both ways. And in general, if clubs are forced to pay out minimum wage + SSI tax + workmen's comp + unemployment insurance premiums for dancers, it usually winds up trashing the club in terms of dancer earnings potential ... because the club must start 'keeping' a large percentage of dancer's lap dance / VIP room money in order to cover these costs. This also tends to drive away the 'best' dancers since a greater dollar amount of their earnings will be 'kept' by the club, and tends to attract mediocre dancers who are content to earn $100 a shift without exerting much energy. Soon after this happens, upscale customers start leaving !

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    sorry about the confusion...late night post...

    i meant that the dancers dont meet the legal qualifications to be considered independent contractors but they are hired as such. including things like fines, mandatory meetings with no pay, and so on.

    how on earth could they estimate earnings if a club doesn't monitor the dancers earnings at all (no house fee, no nothing)?

    the point would be to mess with the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kat 3322 View Post
    sorry about the confusion...late night post...

    i meant that the dancers dont meet the legal qualifications to be considered independent contractors but they are hired as such. including things like fines, mandatory meetings with no pay, and so on.

    how on earth could they estimate earnings if a club doesn't monitor the dancers earnings at all (no house fee, no nothing)?

    the point would be to mess with the club.
    Audit! Receipts, credit card transactions, etc.....

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    i've worked at clubs that made me so angry that i just wanted to burn them down, it was the dickhead management and the other girls and i were so angry, that we stooped to stealing TP, cigars, t-shirts, hats, ... i heard someone afterwards reported them to the liquor board for allowing underage drinking, so thats one option

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    Oh, I see what she means -- that, like ICs, we're responsible for everything and get no benefits, and yet we are treated like employees when it comes to schedules and fines and dress codes and such. I have often wondered about this myself but have worried that it would backfire and instead of getting to be true ICs we'd get employee status.

    I have also thought about reporting to OSHA because of ridiculously loud and potentially damaging music volume.

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    i do my taxes and know i could be audited at any time.i guess i miss read the post and thought that based off of the clubs earnings they would estimate the dancers income.

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    how on earth could they estimate earnings if a club doesn't monitor the dancers earnings at all (no house fee, no nothing)?
    In the specific instances where I know this occurred in NY clubs, the IRS 'estimated real earnings' were based on a bunch of things

    - observations by undercover IRS agents as to how many times dancers in a particular club were typically going to the private dance / VIP areas

    - the number of days per year that particular dancers names appeared on the club's work schedule

    - statements made by dancers to local press stating that they earned $2000 per night

    - general impression of the dancer's living standard i.e. the value of the car they drive, the value of their house / apartment, the value of home furnishings + jewelry + expensive 'toys', the 'type' of stores their credit card shows that they shop at (i.e Bloomies versus Macys vs WalMart ) etc.

    - 'forensic accounting' of the dancers' actual monthly bills (i.e. rent / mortgage payment plus car payment plus checks written plus credit card charges and utility bills), plus money allocated to a retirement fund / investments / savings accounts and/or CD's, plus an IRS cost of living figure compiled for the NYC zip code where the dancers lived (the IRS has cost of living figures developed for EVERY zip code apparently, based on census and GAO data)

    The fact that your club does not keep 'employee like' financial records of your earnings is a two edged sword. Where you are assuming that the IRS cannot dangle you over the coals if they can't prove your income by documented earnings, the IRS is also able to come through the back door i.e. records of your total spending. Courts have concurred that, in the absence of an officially documented source, any undocumented money being spent by a person must have been paid for by money that should be considered as taxable income. Thus if the IRS arrives at an 'estimated real income' that is higher than the amount you actually earned, you also do not have any officially documented source to prove that you didn't earn as much as they say you earned !

    FYI the two NYC dancers I know of that were hit with a back tax bill for underreporting their incomes versus IRS 'estimated real earnings' both got a three year back tax bill for more than $100,000 !

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    Default Re: anyone ever reported there club to the IRS

    They probably earned that or more working in an upscale Manhattan club. So I guess that means if you don't have a lot of high ticket items or work in an upscale club in an expensive city you won't be hit as hard. And if you've paid your taxes, why not? Ya feel lucky, kat?! Well.....do ya?
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    Quote Originally Posted by saphire123456 View Post
    i've worked at clubs that made me so angry that i just wanted to burn them down


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    well im lucky on the estimate earnings with my shitty car, no lease,no mortgage, no bills,no credit cards and no fancy jewelry hey wait a minute!

    (what have i done with my money?) jk

    i think i have the anger out of my system by now, my life is pretty great, its just the damn manager is just such an angry little women hater. his predecessor was so much better.

    well the info about how the irs calculates that stuff is helpful in its own right, thanks melonie.

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    It's always wise to contemplate consequences instead of jumping into irrational action.

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