Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 26 to 35 of 35

Thread: Obama????

  1. #26
    Senior Member RandomUser's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    101
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Obama????

    Obama's father left him at a young age. His mother remarried another Muslim and he spent a few years in Indonesia. Whether there was religious instruction in his young life school or not is not clear. But subsequently he emerged as a Christian which would make him an apostate if he was ever Muslim. While inititially liking Obama I was a little disturbed about the racism practiced by his pastor.

    In my eyes both Jimmy Carter and Bill Clintons were darkhorses when they ran. Nothing special stood out about them except that they weren't the establishment. Neither had great political experience.

  2. #27
    God/dess
    Joined
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    2,993
    Thanks
    39
    Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts

    Default Re: Obama????

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    * hint hint * Conservatives are 'praying' that Obama gets the Democratic nomination !!!
    Interesting, I kinda get the impression that they want to be going up against Hillary.

  3. #28
    Banned Melonie's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2002
    Location
    way south of the border
    Posts
    25,932
    Thanks
    612
    Thanked 10,563 Times in 4,646 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3
    My Mood
    Cynical

    Default Re: Obama????

    not from what I've heard ...

    - an Obama candidacy takes any issue of 'first woman president' votes from female voters off the table

    - an Obama candidacy introduces a new issue of 'most favored minority' competition, theoretically increasing hispanic support for Obama's opponent

    - sad to say, but an Omama candidacy would limit the possibility of a 'surprise' victory in southern states

    - you then get down to the issues of inexperience, with Obama having no foreign policy experience, no private sector experience, no business management experience in the private or public sector, only 1/2 a term experience as US senator etc.

    - you then get down to Obama's policies, which are heavily skewed towards the Democratic stererotypes i.e. increasing taxes and increasing subsidies for the 'poor', cutting back on defense spending and in particular for Iraq operations and for new weapons systems R&D etc.

    The 'tin foil hat' crowd will tell you that an Obama candidacy would result in a classic 'party polarized' presidential election, whereas a Hilary candidacy could involve a whole bunch of 'jokers in the deck'. Even more importantly, Obama's open attacks (well, attempted attacks) on offshore tax shelters for the very rich have already made a number of high dollar Democratic supporters jump ship on Obama, which could lead to funding problems for his national election campaign at the very least - and might actually lead to those supporters crossing over to 'quietly' supporting a Republican in order to defend their offshore millions against Obama's proposed new taxes and elimination of their offshore tax shelters.

    After all, it has been a 'dirty little secret' of Democrats for decades that, while they give great lip service to the principle of taxing the rich in order to help the poor in mainstream media, in point of fact Democrats have historically enacted / allowed tax loopholes and tax favored / subsidized investments and tax shelters to exist such that the very rich never actually wind up paying the same high percentage in taxes that democratic rhetoric calls for, or that 'middle class' Americans are forced to pay. Obama is the first Democrat to seriously attempt a breach of this long standing 'secret' policy, and he has made a lot of enemies among upper echelon Democratic supporters in doing so. This fact potentially makes him far more vulnerable to an underfunded campaign than Hilary ... who is now known to be playing the Cayman Islands tax shelter game right along with the very rich Democratic supporters !

    ~
    Last edited by Melonie; 12-18-2007 at 01:28 AM.

  4. #29
    Featured Member
    Joined
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    1,030
    Thanks
    21
    Thanked 117 Times in 78 Posts

    Default Re: Obama????

    If I ever fall in to politics will you be my analyst Melonie... I like to think I'm politically informed, but wow... and not to mention well worded.

    I'm a Republican who hates Hillaray and likes Obama, and that almost totally makes me doubt Obama, are you being paid? lol

  5. #30
    Banned Melonie's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2002
    Location
    way south of the border
    Posts
    25,932
    Thanks
    612
    Thanked 10,563 Times in 4,646 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3
    My Mood
    Cynical

    Default Re: Obama????

    I'm a Republican who hates Hillaray and likes Obama, and that almost totally makes me doubt Obama, are you being paid?
    well, I've been paid by a few politicians before, but NOT for my writing skills LOL ! And what I have just relayed comes from the 'tin foil hat' crowd not my own analysis.

    From a personal standpoint, Obama seems like a nice enough guy ... with a fair degree of honesty ... and with the usual 'benign' intentions regarding typical Democratic tax, social program and military / defense policies. However, since he first drew attention as a speaker at the Democratic convention, he has basically been a media construct. In terms of 'real world' politics, he's already pissed off the 'Limousine / Learjet' liberals by threatening their offshore tax loopholes. He's already been the target of attacks from prominent members of his own party i.e. Hilary's mudslinging, Harry Reid's saturday congressional vote call which conflicted with his Oprah rally, Rev. Sharpton et all saying he's 'not black enough'.

    Ultimately, free media coverage will not help Obama at the Democratic convention. Nor will his implied ability to deliver 99% of the 'black vote' ... since whoever the Democratic candidate winds up to be, they can be confident of getting 90% of the 'black vote' anyhow. In fact the Democratic back room boys are fearful that if Obama were to be the nominee they would lose far more in terms of hispanic voters than they would gain in black voters ... after all there is a sort of 'competition' already underway to see which minority will continue to receive the lion's share of gov't benefit money ! Thus from the 'real world' standpoint of electibility, giving the nomination to Obama would be a huge risk for the Democratic party to take. As Bill Clinton put it, Obama is the right Democratic candidate for president ... in 2016 !

  6. #31
    Featured Member
    Joined
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    1,030
    Thanks
    21
    Thanked 117 Times in 78 Posts

    Default Re: Obama????

    Which raises the question of who is more electable?

    With Obama you got a likeable guy, with typical Democrat leanings and tendencies. The big wig Democrats are probably not going to like him, but atleast he's stable.

    Hillary is not stable, she's dangerous, and risky. A lot of people, on every side of the fence don't like her. Yet she's also a force that carries a very popular Bill with her. Still the democrats need every liberal on their side. To much history of liberals failing to vote, and moderates going to the Republicans when they don't like the Democrat candidate.

    So will the big boys protect there interest and go with the candidate who will protect their interests and play ball but has a huge risk factor.

    Or take the much safer (in my opinion) candidate, who might not serve all their interests, but would do it better than Republicans.

  7. #32
    Banned Melonie's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2002
    Location
    way south of the border
    Posts
    25,932
    Thanks
    612
    Thanked 10,563 Times in 4,646 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3
    My Mood
    Cynical

    Default Re: Obama????

    again going back to 'tin foil hat' analysis, Hilary does bring to the table the first time 'draw' of potentially attracting women voters from the other side of the aisle. Hilary clearly has the political and financial support of the 'Limousine / Learjet' liberals, plus the 527's, meaning that her campaign would not lack in ability to buy air time. Hilary potentially has the ability to cash in on the legacy of Margaret Thatcher, Indira Gandhi, Golda Meir et al if she can avoid any more emotional incidents showing a lack of 'hardness' in public. Hilary has a fair amount of foreign policy exposure (if not experience), which is basically unique among potential democratic candidates. While she may not have direct business management experience, she certainly understands the realities of private sector finance i.e. cattle futures and offshore hedge funds. If you add up all the pluses and minuses, the Democrats don't appear to have a better option in terms of 'electibility'.

    So will the big boys protect there interest and go with the candidate who will protect their interests and play ball but has a huge risk factor
    Well, for the 'Limousine / Learjet' liberals, supporting Hilary is basically a win-win situation. If she becomes president she'll protect her own offshore tax haven right along with theirs when she calls for increasing taxes on the 'rich' to pay for social programs. If Hilary wins rich liberals can be assured of continued Ethanol subsidies and tax credits for investors. If she loses, the Republican president will likely not call for tax increases, nor call for shutting down tax loopholes either. If she loses, rich liberals can be assured of continued Defense spending with high returns for investors.

    It is only Obama and Ron Paul who actually threaten the 'status quo' in regard to the rich getting richer - which is the reason that neither will have a realistic chance of being nominated ! Welcome to the reality of American politics !!!

    ~
    Last edited by Melonie; 12-18-2007 at 04:09 AM.

  8. #33
    Featured Member
    Joined
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    1,030
    Thanks
    21
    Thanked 117 Times in 78 Posts

    Default Re: Obama????

    Very good points, not really much that I can actually respond too.

    Although I do question Hillary pulling in many female crossovers. Everything I've seen tends to show that Female Democrats really, really, don't like Hillary. While she may represent the ability to pull over female Republicans, I still don't think that means she will. Republicans traditionally vote Republican, often no matter what. Democrats win when all their people come out and vote, and when they pull in the Independents.

    I'm not sure I think she will fill those two requirements.


    Lol, kind of makes me wonder what exactly makes these people liberals? Their lifestyles? Or is it the social agendas which they obviously care so much about that they will push them to the side the second it threatens their money?

  9. #34
    Banned Melonie's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2002
    Location
    way south of the border
    Posts
    25,932
    Thanks
    612
    Thanked 10,563 Times in 4,646 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3
    My Mood
    Cynical

    Default Re: Obama????

    Or is it the social agendas which they obviously care so much about that they will push them to the side the second it threatens their money?
    back to the 'tin foil hat' interpretation again, liberals don't HAVE to push social programs aside as long as they don't actually have to raise taxes on the rich in order to pay for them. They can CALL for a 36% tax rate on the rich, but as long as the offshore tax havens and tax free muni bonds and ethanol tax credits aren't interfered with, they can actually wind up paying only 1/2 or 1/3rd of that tax rate. Their social programs can then be paid for by leveeing a 28% or 33% tax rate on the 'middle class', who don't have the resources to open offshore hedge fund accounts with a $1 million 'qualified investor' requirement, or buy muni bonds with a $50k sticker price, or to buy into a private equity firm that owns an ethanol refinery or a wind farm. This is the reason that when John Kerry's tax return was made public in 2004 it showed he paid a 12% tax rate on $5 million dollars worth of 'earnings' ... whereas most 'middle class' Americans i.e. full time dancers earning $75k+ a year are stuck paying 28% or more !

    In essence, this is what the 'tin foil hat' crowd will tell you is the true basis of the Democratic party ... the very rich who avoid high taxes plus the 'poor' who receive generous social welfare benefits, plus the civil servants and unions whose paychecks benefit from 'big government'.

  10. #35
    Featured Member
    Joined
    Feb 2005
    Location
    SoCal (aka the Evil Vortex of Doom)
    Posts
    1,617
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts

    Default Re: Obama????

    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess View Post
    There is nothing about being Muslim that should scare anyone. Just like there's nothing about being Catholic or Christian that should scare anyone.
    yes.

    just want to add that i did a LOT of research on Islam in preparation to wear hijab for a couple of days as part of a school assignment. I did online research, went to lectures, hung out at meetings of the Muslim student's association, etc.

    Islam is actually a pretty cool religion, as far as religions go. And the Muslims I spoke to were really very open and friendly and welcoming. I'm a confirmed heathen, so I'd never revert, but to be honest I found it more appealing than Christianity in many ways.

    So, I don't see where Obama growing up in a muslim household would be a big problem, unless a person is just totally ignorant and assumes that muslim = terrorist.

    Anyhow, there are secular Muslims just like there are secular Christians.

    my 2 cents.
    "Doc still loved true things, but he knew it was not a general love and it could be a very dangerous mistress." - John Steinbeck, Cannery Row


    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12

Similar Threads

  1. Obama
    By kittygirl in forum Member Boards
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: 01-26-2009, 11:08 AM
  2. Obama
    By kittygirl in forum The Lounge
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: 01-26-2009, 11:08 AM
  3. Obama Infomercial
    By Ms. Mia Roberts in forum The Lounge
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: 11-01-2008, 07:14 AM
  4. I'm F**king Obama
    By pookie in forum The Lounge
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 08-20-2008, 08:09 AM
  5. Obama in Bollywood
    By Yekhefah in forum The Lounge
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 02-26-2008, 08:37 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •