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    My parents sent this to me... I thought it was VERY interesting. The woman speaking (and mind you, this is an Arab-financed TV station in Dubai, strange they even LET this air) is Wafa Sultan, an Arab-American psychologist from Los Angeles. I think she's incredibly forceful and brave... and gets to the crux of the issue without batting an eyelid! She's also not afraid to state that she believes there is something fundamentally wrong with Islam as it stands today- that it's not just a few 'right-wing' or fundamentalist groups/leaders giving it a bad name, but much of it is a giant clash between belief systems, between rationality and irrationality, between the barbarous and the civil... so armysgt, yek, enjoy!

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    I tried to watch this CC, but my computer doesn't like it... any other links?

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    I think she is right, It was edited though and I like to see the debate further.

    Dubai is pretty liberal, sort of the Las Vegas of the Middle East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OdysseusNJ View Post
    I tried to watch this CC, but my computer doesn't like it... any other links?
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=2wPglHZQf-0

    I watched this a couple months ago when I was high as a kite. It was sort of mindblowing at the time. But I agree with everything she says, it's babrbaric to kill someone just because they don't have the same beliefs as you, as with the militant Islamics.

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    She is obviously anti-muslim and has been influenced by the Satans of the West.

    You should be ashamed of yourself for posting such prejudicial material.

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    Religion itself is the problem, not one particular religion.

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    Religion itself is the problem, not one particular religion.

    Actually, Quakers have been dependably non-violent.

    Rather than "religion," I suggest the problem is any belief system--it can be a religion or a political orientation--that doesn't respect alternative views. If you couple this with a gun- or bomb-embracing culture, you've got the seeds of big trouble.

    But I'll agree with you, dlabtot, in one regard: Arguing with a religous zealot is a frustrating experience. At the core, their worldview is hyper-rational and so rational discussion on any point--"The Earth is billions of years old." "No, the Bible says it is only several thousand." "Well, what about all the geological evidence?" "God put that there to test our faith..." (I had this very conversation once with a very nice woman at a dinner party who didn't believe dinosaurs ever walked the Earth)--is doomed.

    Is civil and secular society under threat? Yes. But it's not just happening in the Middle East.

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    I have no problem with the Society of Friends, but it is about as atypical as a religion can be.

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    Great stuff. I love her! And I agree with her.

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    Religion can be a problem. But you don't see religious wars fought in the name of Buddhism, for instance. And Stalin did a lot of damage without having religion to hang on.

    Human nature is the problem. When it's violent, it finds ways to justify itself.

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    It's not religion that I worry about. It's blind faith that worries me. It is a mental tool that can be used to believe anything, in the face of all information to the contrary, and worse, is self-justified as a positive trait to believe no matter what. With that type of logic at play, there is no way to come to agreement by reason. That is scary!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage View Post
    It's not religion that I worry about. It's blind faith that worries me. It is a mental tool that can be used to believe anything, in the face of all information to the contrary, and worse, is self-justified as a positive trait to believe no matter what. With that type of logic at play, there is no way to come to agreement by reason. That is scary!
    I believe this to be true.

    There is a lot of belief when it comes to political, social, economic, and other types of positions. The "banging your head against a wall" icon is profound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    Human nature is the problem. When it's violent, it finds ways to justify itself.
    wise words

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