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    12-29) 04:00 PST Oakland -- State Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata was carjacked at gunpoint from his state car in North Oakland Saturday.

    Perata, 62, of Oakland was unharmed in the incident, which happened at about 1:45 p.m. as he was stopped in his state-leased red 2006 Dodge Charger at a red light at 51st Street and Shattuck Avenue.

    "It's nothing that I want anybody else to go through," Perata said Saturday. "It just happened so fast. It certainly ruins your day."

    Perata said he was waiting for the light to change when, out of the corner of his eye, he noticed a man walking up to him. The senator, who has campaigned against assault weapons and crime, said he mistook the man for a panhandler at first.

    But then the man began pulling a mask over his nose and pointed an automatic handgun at him "gangster style" - holding it sideways - before tapping it on his window and bellowing at him, "Get out of the m- car."

    "And after that, I just lost interest in his face and I just stared at the gun," Perata said.

    Perata jumped out of the car, which police say may have been targeted for its 22-inch rims. The man got inside and took off. He was followed by an apparent accomplice in a gold 2000 Chevrolet Camaro that had been stolen earlier Saturday, police said.

    The two cars got onto Interstate 980, and witnesses said they saw the cars exit Park Boulevard from eastbound Interstate 580, said Oakland police Lt. Lawrence Green.

    Green said police believe at least two men were in the Camaro when it pulled up alongside Perata. The senator told officers that he believed he saw the men at a Union 76 gas station minutes earlier on Broadway Terrace, so it was possible that they followed him to 51st and Shattuck before carjacking him, Green said.

    Also taken was Perata's cell phone.

    Perata said he was preparing to get onto the freeway when he was carjacked. The gunman was no more than three feet away, and at one point Perata said he feared that if the assailant panicked and fired a round, "that would have been the end of me."

    The gunman was described as a black man in his late 20s, 5-foot-8, with a thin, muscular build, last seen wearing a black mask and dark clothing. Perata's vehicle has a state-exempt plate of 1166961, and the stolen Camaro's license plate is 5UBN288.

    "Sometimes the holidays bring out desperate times for people, and he did the safe thing and just gave up the car," said Perata spokeswoman Alicia Trost. "It's just unfortunate, but we're very happy that he's uninjured."

    Perata said he was grateful for the assistance of Oakland police officers, including Sgts. Todd Mork and Randy Bandino.

    Perata, who has campaigned against crime in Oakland and the East Bay, joked that he started the day at age 62 but now felt somewhere between 70 and 75.

    "I've been around this stuff for a while, but this is the first time I've ever had a gun pointed at me," said Perata, an Oakland Democrat who sponsored the assault weapons ban signed into law in 1999.

    1. since he was a supporter of weapojns ban before, is he still?

    2. Why does a Cali Govt official have a STATE leased, red 2006 Dodge Charger with 22 inch rims?

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    They finally fucked California up enough where the elites are getting robbed now.

    1) Of course he is still a supporter of weapons bans. If the criminal didn't have a weapon, he couldn't have robbed him. (Ponder that for a second.)

    2) The state is $1.4 x 10^10 in the red (remember when we only used those numbers in astronomy?) There is a reason for it ya know.

    Republic of California = Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics and going in the same downward spiral.

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    #1 - this is California - only Criminals, cops and private contractor security agents should have guns

    #2 - this is a California politician

    I have made references in countless past posts that California is the poster child for the new paradigm of Liberal economics. The majority support base is made up of the 'very rich' (who benefit from big gov't via high tax exempt muni bond interest, tax favored and/or gov't subsidized business investments etc), plus the 'poor' (who benefit from big gov't via benefit checks, subsidized housing / utilities, and 'free' medical services), plus a specific slice of middle class i.e. civil servants / union workers / gov't contract workers (who benefit from big gov't via high gov't mandated pay rates, easy gov't mandated working conditions and other perks). Senator Perata is at the top of the latter group.


    As to California 'elites' now getting robbed, I suspect that der Governator's recently announced plan to cut California gov't spending by cancelling construction of new prisons and releasing something like 28,000 inmates from existing prisons before their sentences are complete in order to avoid federal problems with prison overcrowding has a lot to do with this !!! After all, when there are 100,000 new convictions worthy of prison terms every year in California, and only 40,000 prison cells available, by definition 60,000 criminals will get probation instead of jail time. So the probability that a 'mere' armed auto theft defendent will be imprisoned versus murderers, rapists, gang bangers, organized crime 'soldiers' etc. will actually be fairly low even if he is caught and convicted. And by the same token 'white collar criminals' aren't even on the waiting list for prison cells, unless involved in some particular crime incident that is worthy of publicity for political mileage purposes (Hollywood Madam etc.).

    This is creating a whole new branch of 'Moral Hazard'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    #1 - this is California - only Criminals, cops and private contractor security agents should have guns
    wait, there is a difference between these three? Just kidding. Well sort of anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post

    1. since he was a supporter of weapojns ban before, is he still?
    He's not for a weapons ban, he's for keeping guns out of the hands of the rabble such as you and I. He has a CCW. He’s a classic elitist hypocrite who just wants guns out of the “wrong hands.” Problem is, you and I have the wrong hands….Many anti gun politicians have a CCW lisence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    He's not for a weapons ban, he's for keeping guns out of the hands of the rabble such as you and I. He has a CCW. He’s a classic elitist hypocrite who just wants guns out of the “wrong hands.” Problem is, you and I have the wrong hands….Many anti gun politicians have a CCW lisence.
    Kinda like how Rosie O'Donnell tells us how we should treat the homeless... until they are on her street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    Kinda like how Rosie O'Donnell tells us how we should treat the homeless... until they are on her street.
    Or how Rosie is anti gun, but her personal bodyguard applied for a CCW. Remember, her life is important. Yours is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    He's not for a weapons ban, he's for keeping guns out of the hands of the rabble such as you and I. He has a CCW. He’s a classic elitist hypocrite who just wants guns out of the “wrong hands.” Problem is, you and I have the wrong hands….Many anti gun politicians have a CCW lisence.
    Just so we're clear here...and I'm really not trying to start a fight. What's wrong with getting a CCW?

    In Texas, at least, they're not at all difficult to come by. All it'd take is a Saturday class and a simple quiz. Am I showing my ignorance for other states' gun control laws?

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    well, for example, in New York each county has one and only one 'officer' who accepts and investigates handgun permit applications. This 'officer' is given total discretion in regard to rejecting handgun ownership permits. If it were to become known that the person applying for a handgun permit worked as a 'stripper', her application would wind up in the garbage can ... no recourse, no appeals.

    Assuming that the one handgun permit 'officer' doesn't immediately s#!t-can the permit application after interviewing the applicant in person, the permit then goes to the state. At that point an FBI / NY State Police investigation is requested ... which will run the gamut from criminal record review to credit rating review to state income tax record review to motor vehicle dep't review to contacting local cops / local gov't officials for any additional info that may not appear in state or national databases. If everything comes up absolutely squeaky clean, and assuming that you also invest the time and money in an NRA course + all necessary filing fees, 8 months later your handgun permit will be issued.

    However, there are also two categories of handgun licenses ... one for ownership and one for 'carry'. This 'officer' also has sole discretion in accepting an application for gun ownership, but rejecting an application for the owner to 'carry' his legally licensed handgun - meaning that without the 'carry' license the handgun can only be transported using a locked gun safe in the car trunk etc. and can only emerge from the locked gun safe for an approved use i.e. a licensed target range, licensed handgun season hunting on public land, etc. Whatever the stated reason, it is currently next to impossible for any New York resident who does not have connections to law enforcement or licensed private security firms to be approved for a permit to 'carry' their handgun off of their own non-public area property. Put another way, without a 'carry' permit, a NY business owner who successfully gets a handgun ownership permit cannot legally have his handgun out of a locked gun safe in the place of business he owns ... since that business is 'open to the public' and thus falls under public area regulations (which also includes no smoking laws etc.)

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    Oh wow. Thanks, Melonie. I'm seeing how it's problematic now. Coming from Texas where EVERYONE can own a gun, I didn't really get the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stellaforstars View Post
    Just so we're clear here...and I'm really not trying to start a fight. What's wrong with getting a CCW?
    Nothing is wrong with having a CCW, except i believe in the Second Amendment as written. Which means you do not need "license" from the Government to keep or carry a weapon.

    Quote Originally Posted by stellaforstars View Post
    In Texas, at least, they're not at all difficult to come by. All it'd take is a Saturday class and a simple quiz. Am I showing my ignorance for other states' gun control laws?
    California has highly restrictive gun Laws. Ineffective and unConstitutional gun laws that do not protect the People, just disarm the Law abiding and Honest. The laws in California serve only to make the lives of common and elected criminals safe in their occupations

    California makes it exceedingly difficult for those not in political office or connected to one to obtain a CCW.

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    Oh wow. Thanks, Melonie. I'm seeing how it's problematic now. Coming from Texas where EVERYONE can own a gun, I didn't really get the issue.
    And up until a recent federal court ruling, New York and other states had laws requiring licensing for other types of guns besides handguns. One of these laws affected me in particular, because I wanted to buy a fairly high powered rifle to go hunting with my brother as well as to shoot 'varmints' on my own property (we get bobcats and bears occasionally). Being only 5'3" I really didn't want to be lugging around a conventional heavy hunting rifle. But in wanting a lightweight rifle I didn't want to be stuck with such a small calibre that it couldn't do the job I needed it to do. Several companies make exactly the type of rifle I was looking for ... a lightweight stock with a fairly heavy calibre barrel. However, New York deemed such rifles to be 'assault rifles' and outlawed them for private ownership. Fortunately, after the federal court ruling lifted the statewide ban I was able to buy the rifle I really wanted. But to this day, some NY cities still ban sales of 'assault rifles' under city ordinances.

    As the Sarge points out, the right to own a firearm ... ANY firearm ... is specifically addressed in the Bill of Rights. It is not subject to 'stretching' the content of the constitution in order to discover an 'implied' right that the framers of the constitution never mentioned by name i.e. a right to privacy, a right to abortion, a future right to gay marriage etc. This one is right there in black and white ! Therefore ownership of firearms should not be treated as if it is a 'privilege' by the state / local gov't, with the imposition of license / permit requirements, training course requirements, fees etc. being necessary before the gov't grants a person the 'privilege' of owning a handgun. But indeed states like NY and CA have converted legal handgun ownership into a de-facto 'privilege'.

    Ironically, despite strict gun control laws, it was and still is possible to purchase just about any type of gun illegally for the right price. However the mere possession of a handgun without a license in NY will now net you a minimum 3 years in state prison ! Thus, besides cops and 'private' security people and older people who obtained pistol permits years back before the requirements became so strict, the vast majority of handgun owners are usually also involved in other activities that could net them 3 years or more in state prison !

    It is now even being argued that strict gun control laws should be removed due to racial discrimination ... i.e. the lowest percentage of legal handgun owners are urban minorities (hmmm ... fancy that), who are also the very people who need a handgun the most to defend their own lives and property from the criminal element @!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stellaforstars View Post
    Just so we're clear here...and I'm really not trying to start a fight. What's wrong with getting a CCW?
    I'm not following you. Do you realize who you are talking too about this issue?

    If it were up to me, like Vermont and Alaska, no license at all would be required as the Second Amend is the license, ergo:

    No State shall convert a liberty into a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor." --Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 US 105, US Supreme Court, 1943.

    The U.S. Supreme Court broadly and unequivocally held that requiring licensing or registration of any constitutional right is itself unconstitutional. --Follett vs. Town of McCormick, S.C., 321 U.S. 573 [1944]

    Quote Originally Posted by stellaforstars View Post
    In Texas, at least, they're not at all difficult to come by.
    Viva La Texas!

    Quote Originally Posted by stellaforstars View Post
    All it'd take is a Saturday class and a simple quiz. Am I showing my ignorance for other states' gun control laws?
    Well yes, but that's not really the issue/problem here. What we have is, anti gun politicians who have a CCW. Does that not strike you as hypocritical?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    well, for example, in New York each county has one and only one 'officer' who accepts and investigates handgun permit applications. This 'officer' is given total discretion in regard to rejecting handgun ownership permits. If it were to become known that the person applying for a handgun permit worked as a 'stripper', her application would wind up in the garbage can ... no recourse, no appeals.
    To put that in a realistic real world scenario. A women being beaten/abused by her husband could go to get that CCW, explain she has a retraining order, explain she is in fear of her life and the husband is stalking her, etc, and she will be turned down for that CCW. However, if you are Howard Stern (who has a CCW) and or well connected, you can get a CCW in NYC. That's exactly what the Founders of this nation were attempting to avoid and knew it was an issue:

    "Gun-control laws have always been elitist and racist. Elitists have always wanted to disarm the common folks while, of course, retaining the privileges of arms for themselves. And the right to keep and bear arms has always been a populist cause." - James Madison (boasting to a European critic that the new country of America did not fear its own people and allowed them to own arms).
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    Yes, now the second question....

    Perata, 62, of Oakland was unharmed in the incident, which happened at about 1:45 p.m. as he was stopped in his state-leased red 2006 Dodge Charger at a red light at 51st Street and Shattuck Avenue.


    Why does a public official need a State leased penis prop like an 06 red Charger?

    Gee California, I don't know why you can't pay the light bill?

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