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    (snip)"PHOENIX (Reuters) - Arizona steel fabricator Sheridan Bailey has been laying off employees in recent weeks even though he has plenty of orders on the books.

    His firm, Ironco Enterprises, shed around 10 percent of its 100-strong workforce to get in line with a state law going into effect on Tuesday that targets employers who hire illegal immigrants.

    "We have let some people go who we came to know were not properly documented. So in that respect the law is already doing what the framers expected," he said.

    The maker of steel frames for buildings is among an estimated 150,000 businesses across the desert state preparing for the measure that places Arizona at the vanguard of more than 100 U.S. states and municipalities taking on immigration enforcement.

    The law, passed days after a federal immigration overhaul died in the U.S. Senate in June, punishes first-time violators who knowingly hire undocumented workers with a 10-day suspension of their business licenses.

    A second offense means they lose it.

    The measure also requires employers to use an online federal database, dubbed "E-Verify," to check the employment eligibility of new hires in the border state, which is home to an estimated 500,000 illegal immigrants.

    Many employers like Bailey say they are pruning their workforce of illegal immigrants to avoid prosecution, or have outsourced some operations to neighboring states and even over the border to Mexico.

    Other businesses have put a freeze on expansion in Arizona out of fear they will face prosecution should they inadvertently hire an illegal immigrant.

    "It is too much of a risk for us," said Jason LeVecke, a franchise owner who operates a chain of 57 Carl's Jr. hamburger restaurants in the state.

    He plans to expand in Texas.

    BUSINESS 'DEATH PENALTY'

    Immigration is the subject of a rancorous debate in the United States, where an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants live and work in the shadows.'(snip)

    (snip)"Many Arizonans support the new law. They say it takes away the lure of jobs for illegal immigrants and clamps down on employers unfairly profiting from cheap migrant labor.

    "The only people who should be nervous are employers who hire illegals at cheap rates to gain unfair advantage over their competitors. They should be worrying a lot," said John Kavanagh, a Republican state lawmaker who co-sponsored the bill.

    Gov. Janet Napolitano, a Democrat, signed the measure into law despite voicing concern that it was a business "death penalty."

    A coalition of business groups filed suit to block the measure, arguing that it will be harmful to local businesses. A U.S. District Court threw out the challenge earlier this month, but a new suit has since been filed.

    Lawyers opposed to the employer sanctions law say that it is unconstitutional and is open to abuse by people making malicious anonymous complaints. They warn that it will also make Arizona less competitive nationally.

    "(Already) we have had businesses shut down, businesses that will not go ahead with acquisitions. It is going to get worse before it gets better," said Julie Pace, one of the lawyers bringing the employers' suit.

    "Arizona will get bypassed economically. We will be known as tough but stupid from an economic perspective," she said.

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    Default Re: perhaps most important new law of 2008 ?

    <sarcasm>
    Oh noes! I'zza gonna lose my messican slaves! Them thar negros iz just to uppidy theze here days with my rightz this and my rightz that.
    </sarcasm>

    I like how they are all like "He's gonna expand in Texas." Texas is right around the corner from doing the exact same thing as Arizona.

    California is finally getting the picture:
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    ^^^ well, to be precise, ONE California school district is getting the picture. And their criteria for denying a 'free' education to illegal mexican children is solely based on the fact that they cross the border on a daily basis to commute to a California school while living in mexico. If they lived (illegally) north of the border the school district would be powerless to turn them away as students.

    Actually I was more shocked by the quote from Arizona gov't officials and their attorneys ...

    "They warn that it will also make Arizona less competitive nationally.

    "(Already) we have had businesses shut down, businesses that will not go ahead with acquisitions. It is going to get worse before it gets better," said Julie Pace, one of the lawyers bringing the employers' suit.

    "Arizona will get bypassed economically. We will be known as tough but stupid from an economic perspective," she said."

    The root of my shock is that the Arizona gov't (and California and other states with large contingents of illegal aliens in the unskilled workforce thanks to de-facto 'sanctuary' status) actually considers the fact that their states' industries have been able to unfairly compete against industries in other states for decades thanks to sub-minimum wage illegal alien labor as a 'right' which is now suddenly being denied to them. Arguably, any lack of competitiveness can be attributed to high state business taxes, high state minimum wages, strict state business / labor / environmental regulations etc. which will no longer be 'disguised' via the huge payroll bonus of cheap illegal labor.

    If the new Arizona law does restore a 'level playing field' versus other states in terms of complying with federal hiring requirements and federal minimum wage law, then the future of Arizona ( and California etc.) businesses will depend on the business climate that the Arizona ( and California etc.) gov't has created versus the business climate in neighboring states.

    At that point the financial consequences of high state gov't spending leading to high state business taxes and property taxes, the financial consequences of higher than federal standard state minimum wage laws, the financial consequences of stricter than federal standard labor and environmental regulations etc. will fall squarely on the shoulders of state businesses, and will result in corresponding strategic decisionmaking by business managers. While this may be 'painful' for Arizona ( and California etc. ) businesses and politicians, at least it levees these extra state mandated costs where they belong, rather than forcing exploited illegal alien workers on law-abiding businesses in other states to indirectly shoulder the costs as has been the case for decades.

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    Hmmmmm...interesting. This should be fun to watch. I bet lawmakers will be getting some nice "gifts" from certain corporations in Arizona in the near future.

    Oh, and there is the issue of violent crime increasing as an entire segment of the population is suddenly unemployable. I'm not saying two wrongs make a right, just that is what happens when you allow people to get away with criminal behavior forever, then suddenly shut down that crime spree.

    I predict the development of a whole new segment of crime families in AZ.


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    I predict the development of a whole new segment of crime families in AZ.
    already there I would bet ...

    (snip)"In the population study of a sample of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests."(snip)

    (snip)"They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. One arrest incident may include multiple offenses, a fact that explains why there are nearly one and half times more offenses than arrests. Almost all of these illegal aliens were arrested for more than 1 offense. Slightly more than half of the 55,322 illegal aliens had between 2 and 10 offenses.

    About 45 percent of all offenses were drug or immigration offenses. About 15 percent were property-related offenses such as burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and property damage. About 12 percent were for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes. "(snip)

    The real essence of the problem will be that the number of 'active' criminals is likely to quickly exceed the available police / court / prison system if Arizona's new illegal alien employment law causes a lot of 'former' illegal alien employees to transition into unemployed 'active' criminals. Thus the real question is whether or not the 'former' illegal alien employees decide to stay in Arizona and subsist on criminal activity, versus voluntarily returning to Mexico or wherever. And the answer to that question will also involve peripheral issues like 'anchor baby' families being eligible for Arizona social welfare benefits, like actual law enforcement action / sentencing / imprisonment vs simple deportation etc.

    Logically speaking, unless a federal court strikes down this new Arizona law, your conclusion about a likely rise in violent crime is probably 'right on the money'. It will be then that things will get REALLY interesting, i.e. how Arizona voters will react in future elections involving issues like Law and Order, Gun Control, social welfare benefits etc.

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    One of the reasons Arizona is tightening things up is all the crime related to illegal aliens.

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