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    Default Old School Dancers:Your Definition/Understanding

    In various posts on different boards, I've seen the moniker "Old School Dancer" bandied about. My "take" on 3 variations/nuances of this term.

    1) Refers to dancer that has danced since "extras" weren't so common.

    2) A dancer that can actually dance and is well versed/skilled at the "Art of Striptease".

    3) A dancer that has been at a particular club for over 3 years, and TRULY understands the meaning of customer service. To further elaborate, dancer knows how to seduce, takes "no" with grace. Ditto for performing lower tier dances(eg- doesn't get pouty when custy doesn't go for VIP off the bat).

    I probably haven't given the most precise/scientific definition(s), but I think I know one when I see one- have genuinely recognized/appreciated good old school dancers when they've come along. Your thoughts on this aspect??

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    Quote Originally Posted by minnow View Post
    In various posts on different boards, I've seen the moniker "Old School Dancer" bandied about. My "take" on 3 variations/nuances of this term.

    1) Refers to dancer that has danced since "extras" weren't so common.

    2) A dancer that can actually dance and is well versed/skilled at the "Art of Striptease".
    I definately agree with one and two.
    What ever happened to entertainment??! And just coming in in and having a good time, drinking some beers and checking out hot women....and tipping....and getting dances and just enjoying them for what they are?!? Maybe there are a few clubs like this left but it seems it is all about extras now. The girls who do them are making it very hard for the ones who don't to make money.
    And I have to say it again....what ever happened to enteratinment?! And a dancer who actually puts some effort into her stage set. I don't think it's even all about being good at pole tricks alone. Yes, I appreciate a very skilled pole dancer but there has to be more to it, like a smile, being able to have rhythm and move the body in a sexy way....not just stand there with a blank look on their face and booty clap the whole time.

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    I LOVE old-school dancers -- unfortunately very rare these days. To me, an old-school dancer is one who understands the art of seduction and the art of undressing. Too many dancers today first of all wear too little outfit and second of all just shuck it off with no grace at all -- like shrugging it off between songs. Give me a dancer who goes on stage for the most part fully dressed, then not only moves in an alluring way but makes the removal of each item an event. I remember dancers whose actions and expresssions said they were totally focused on me and would just love to take me in the back when their set was done (even though they knew and I knew it wasn't so). I vastly prefer dancers who do not get graphic on stage. I prefer not to see things that are shown in porno magazine (which I dont like). To me it cheapens and degrades a dancer to perform in that way; I don't know why a class entertainer would do it. The dancers I remember are those who keep the tease in strip tease -- who can act like complete vixens and sluts on stage without having to be trashy, without compromising their dignity or mine. Long live old-school dancers.

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    I agree with all of the above, and I miss it too. I dance in the current market but haven't lost the old school mindset. Sexual energy, seduction, and flirtation are so valuable, fun, and important. It's a shame how much they've become devalued and shoved aside in favor of the more blatant and raw. I believe there's room out there for different styles of strip clubs, there was always that club at the edge of town where you could "get more", yet it never got the business the no contact entertainment clubs got. Now that dynamic is reversed. It's sad that most clubs now cater to the lowest common denominator, and interesting how overall business has declined as a result.

    I would also add appearance to the list. I'm amazed when dancers have bad extensions with glue showing or big fat stomachs. You don't need rock hard abs, I prefer softness on women, but I'm talking about unapologetic fat rolls. Stripping used to have a bit more glamour to it, it had to, how else would you sell a no contact dance? The more touching/ grinding in stripping, the less looks have come to matter.

    To sum up the difference, I remember a conversation in the dressing room about contact. A dancer said "But if I don't let them touch, why would they buy a dance?" (And I'm talking about $10 dances out on the floor, not even VIP) It's like there's a lack of vision, an understanding of the power of creativity, the value of flirtation. Stripping should be that sexy floating world between boring every day life and full delivery.

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    Well since I am one of those old "relics" I fully understand what your saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aine View Post
    Well since I am one of those old "relics" I fully understand what your saying.
    I was gonna say, it's probably an insult or an expression of pride depending on who's saying it about whom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minnow View Post
    In various posts on different boards, I've seen the moniker "Old School Dancer" bandied about. My "take" on 3 variations/nuances of this term.

    1) Refers to dancer that has danced since "extras" weren't so common.

    2) A dancer that can actually dance and is well versed/skilled at the "Art of Striptease".

    3) A dancer that has been at a particular club for over 3 years, and TRULY understands the meaning of customer service. To further elaborate, dancer knows how to seduce, takes "no" with grace. Ditto for performing lower tier dances(eg- doesn't get pouty when custy doesn't go for VIP off the bat).

    I probably haven't given the most precise/scientific definition(s), but I think I know one when I see one- have genuinely recognized/appreciated good old school dancers when they've come along. Your thoughts on this aspect??
    ...as an old school customer, i would somewhat agree. If this is what defines an old school stripper of say 10 years ago, what three definitions will define todays stripper 10 years from now?
    "Peter, did you take Stewie to a strip-club? He smells like sweat and fear." - Lois and Stewie (Family Guy) ... "Through early morning fog I see, Visions of the things to be, The pains that are withheld for me, I realize and I can see..."

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    Being an actual entertainer. There's more to this job than grinding on a guys lap. It used to be in my town, before LD's, that you couldn't get hired unless you could dance, took care of yourself and looked good. There were standards. 95% of the girls dancing now would never have been hired six years ago.

    In my town old school girls are legendary. Known for either their performances on and sometimes off the stage. I looked up to some of these women when I started. It's weird to me that I'm now considered "old school" by some girls and by some customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minnow View Post
    In various posts on different boards, I've seen the moniker "Old School Dancer" bandied about. My "take" on 3 variations/nuances of this term.

    1) Refers to dancer that has danced since "extras" weren't so common.

    2) A dancer that can actually dance and is well versed/skilled at the "Art of Striptease".


    3) A dancer that has been at a particular club for over 3 years, and TRULY understands the meaning of customer service. To further elaborate, dancer knows how to seduce, takes "no" with grace. Ditto for performing lower tier dances(eg- doesn't get pouty when custy doesn't go for VIP off the bat)
    I agree with #1 and #2 but #3 doesn't really fit my idea of an old school dancer. That one is just being mature and professional about doing business.The first two though are the epitome of how I would describe those of us out here who are of the old school dancer variety. You also have to pretty much be over 30, give or take a few years, depending on when the extras trend hit your city or town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan-Va View Post
    Being an actual entertainer. There's more to this job than grinding on a guys lap. It used to be in my town, before LD's, that you couldn't get hired unless you could dance, took care of yourself and looked good. There were standards. 95% of the girls dancing now would never have been hired six years ago.

    In my town old school girls are legendary. Known for either their performances on and sometimes off the stage. I looked up to some of these women when I started. It's weird to me that I'm now considered "old school" by some girls and by some customers.
    This fits my definition more accurately. Lady's who were around and making a good living pre-lap dance era had to know how to entertain a guy. Stage dancing was obviously more important but also knowing how to carry on a conversation to get guys to sit with you and pay for your time WITHOUT IT BEING A PRELUDE TO A GRIND.

    For all of it's notoriety people forget that the clubs in Boston's old Combat Zone were all no contact. A gal made money by convincing a guy that he wanted to spend the afternoon buying her $25 dollar watered-down champagne cocktails. Those ladies made as much money on a good shift with the tease as many girls do know a days in VIP getting groped or more...

    Being at one club for an extended period didn't mean much back then nor does it now. Burning bridges is another story. A smart dancer who does her job, is reliable and doesn't cause trouble can walk in the door of any club that she has ever worked at and get shifts. A trouble maker looking for the quick buck and not caring who she pisses off can not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverback View Post
    I was gonna say, it's probably an insult or an expression of pride depending on who's saying it about whom.
    Well for me, old school or relic, either one is a compliment. Just like Bob Segar and that old time rock n roll, us old school dancers may be relics in some peoples eyes, but I'll tell you now, we had it good. You gotta figure when I was first started dancing it was almost 18 years ago now, and my last time on stage was what 12 years ago. At the age of 38 I may be a relic, but I was damn good at what I did, knew how to entertain, and didnt have to do even half of what is the norm now.

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    In the old days, dancers knew it was about a lot more than just being naked and expecting the money to flow. There was also some semblance of hiring standards, something that's acutely lacking today.

    My last club outing a few days ago, I saw exactly one girl--one--that looked the part the entire time I was there.
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    I would spend a whole lot more time in a club if the majority of my money was spent at the stage.

    I really agree with Bridgette when she said that the performance died with the lapdance. When you stand back and really look, I can see the lap dance, at it's inception, pissing off so many dancers as an extra until it became accepted...and slowly the envelope got pushed.

    Even now we're not as appalled at seeing drugs or extras in a clubs as we where when, even, I first joined this site.

    Now? I find so many good clubs just succumbing to such low-life money-getting schemes. The clubs have really become the most desperate of any PL lowering their prices and raising their cut of the money made and all the horrible decisions made to promote raising the bottom line at the cost of employee dignity, and customer quality, and establishment image.

    We even allow physical harm to befall dancers without penalty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus View Post
    I really agree with Bridgette when she said that the performance died with the lapdance. When you stand back and really look, I can see the lap dance, at it's inception, pissing off so many dancers as an extra until it became accepted...and slowly the envelope got pushed.

    Even now we're not as appalled at seeing drugs or extras in a clubs as we where when, even, I first joined this site.

    Now? I find so many good clubs just succumbing to such low-life money-getting schemes. The clubs have really become the most desperate of any PL lowering their prices and raising their cut of the money made and all the horrible decisions made to promote raising the bottom line at the cost of employee dignity, and customer quality, and establishment image.

    We even allow physical harm to befall dancers without penalty.

    That's one of the reasons I've decided to retire this year. It's taken all the joy out of the job.

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    I had a interesting little thing happen to me tonight that I feel is relavent to this post.
    As I was walking around I had a middle-aged man wave me over. He goes "So do any of these girls here give LAP DANCES??!" At first I didn't know what he meant, and I spouted out some dumb answer that I can't remember. Then he says, "No, what I mean is these girls here don't give LAP DANCES. All they do is stand there and shake their ass really fast in my face. I want a good lap dance for goodness sake. I don't want to be in a damned rap video!" Hehe...I LOVE this guy. I ended up selling quite a few dances to him and made his visit a good one. We also sat and discussed the very thing this whole post is about.....and he paid me for the time....wow.

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    I still remember taking my buddy to a Strip Club in Denver Colorado for his Bachelor party. That was 20 years ago. There was no such thing as a "lap dance" or "VIP room". We went to a strip club to see exceptionally hot women dance erotically, drink beer, tip a few bucks per dance, and on occasion (in some clubs) dancers could touch customers (but never the reverse). I still have the silk tie I wore that night. The strippers had a lot of fun with it so it remains a token reminder of my buddies bachelor party.

    The golden era of stripping? Depends. The grass is always greener, and all of that... Remember we weren't dropping $20 every 3 minutes for lap dances, nor were we shelling out $400-$500 for an hour in a VIP room. Hell, $20 was enough for a beer, and tips for at least an hour.

    Strippers weren't making money lap dancing, performing extras, or cultivating artificial relationships with customers. Plus many of the girls who work in Strip clubs today simply would not have been hired as strippers 20 years ago. We simply wouldn't have tipped a girl that didn't look very hot on stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage View Post
    The golden era of stripping? Depends. The grass is always greener, and all of that... Remember we weren't dropping $20 every 3 minutes for lap dances, nor were we shelling out $400-$500 for an hour in a VIP room. Hell, $20 was enough for a beer, and tips for at least an hour.

    Strippers weren't making money lap dancing, performing extras, or cultivating artificial relationships with customers.
    Guys may not have been dropping $20 every three minutes for LD's but most of us were making a lot more money for just entertaining.

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    ^ Yes, I've worked with a couple old school girls and it makes me wish I started sooner or was just born sooner.....

    I feel clubs would make more money if the management went back to the old standards. I hate some of the things I see at work nightly. "A chain is only as strong as its weakest link."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan-Va View Post
    Guys may not have been dropping $20 every three minutes for LD's but most of us were making a lot more money for just entertaining.
    Well, I should? could? have added:

    1.) Clubs had relatively few dancers who rotated on stage so the money was spread less thin. Many had only 6 or 8 for the night, and we customers didn't expect 20, 50, 100s of dancers in a club (like many clubs have now).

    2.) Strip clubs were relatively rare, being a very high stigma job, so presumably what money there was to go around was spread less thin. Even in Southern California and Los Angeles, there were only a few clubs 20 years ago. We knew where they all were because there was only one in the So. Cal. area, and less then 5 of interest in L.A. The stigma being what it was, there were very few places zoned for a club.

    So yea, strippers made more, but I'm not so sure the money was good because of the entertainment value or because there was a lot less competition (i.e., less clubs and girls spreading the available money thinner).

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    Yep...My first regular club had four dancers on during the day and four at night. They did 20 minute sets and could make well over a hundred dollars each set when it was busy. Back then, guys could not sit at the stage if they didn't tip. Cheapskates would get moved to the back of the club if a dancer complained about them. Five sets per shift and it was not unreasonable to walk out with four to five hundred a day...oh yeah, everybody worked four or five days a week back then and there were no house fees. A girl had to tip the DJ and the guy who walked her out to her car... that was it. In fact, my current fav and I were joking a couple of weeks ago that we both remember when dancers actually got shift pay!

    There were no LD's so there were no expectations of contact but one thing I have to disagree with is the assumption that there was no hustle. That simply wasn't the case in the clubs around Boston. Back then the hustle was, as it still often is, the promise of OTC. Real or imagined, it sold a lot of watered down drinks and garnered a lot of $20 tips for bar conversation between sets.
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    There were no LD's so there were no expectations of contact but one thing I have to disagree with is the assumption that there was no hustle. That simply wasn't the case in the clubs around Boston. Back then the hustle was, as it still often is, the promise of OTC. Real or imagined, it sold a lot of watered down drinks and garnered a lot of $20 tips for bar conversation between sets.
    Could be. I missed it though because at the time my trips to SCs were rare, and when we did go, we sat at the stage, drank beer, tipped. If there was anything else going on in the background we never noticed.

    p.s. It was the same regarding tipping at the stage when we went 20 years ago. It was just the norm. If you choose to sit at the stage, then it was understood you must tip. The stage was typically covered in one's by the end of a dancer's set.

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    Could be. I missed it though because at the time my trips to SCs were rare, and when we did go, we sat at the stage, drank beer, tipped. If there was anything else going on in the background we never noticed.
    It's also quite possible that it was a regional thing. The clubs in the old Combat Zone were all about the drink hustle so the dancers had a huge incentive to get guys to sit with them. The occasional leg-rubbing went on under the table but the only way to keep a guy interested after a while was to start making empty promises.
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    An old school dancer remembers life before platform shoes.............

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    In the olden days (ten years ago) , the same group of dancers worked the same shifts on the same nights. Now, it's a coin toss if the same dancer shows up on the same nights.

    I don't know how dancers keep regulars if they show up haphazardly the way they do nowadays.

    Old School dancers were more reliable and were more business like.

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    An old school dancer remembers life before platform shoes.............
    Lol! I've often said that the only thing that's better about stripping now is the shoes!

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