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    Quote Originally Posted by Andygirl View Post
    Just curious, but how much is a lot?
    Probably like, $300-400 the first night, $500+ the second night. Granted a little bit of that was spent on drinks for me and I dunno if she has to pay the club or anything, but still almost a grand in 2 days is a decent amount to spend there imo, also we aren't in like Scores or a super elite place where there are NFL players making it rain with stacks of 20s or whatever, lol

    Would any of you consider that a lot, average, a little, or what? Probably 1/2 of it (each night) was private dances / tips for those dances, the other 1/2 was just money I gave her at the bar, bought drinks with, tipped her for dances on the floor, just gave her lol, etc.

    further edit for clarification: the first night I just blew a lot of money on private dances from her later on in the night once I met her, the second night I was there just to see her (or at any rate, she's the only reason I went back) and we chilled for the whole night, probably 7 hours or so, from 9 or 10 to 4 am when they closed
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbillie1 View Post
    Would any of you consider that a lot, average, a little, or what? Probably 1/2 of it (each night) was private dances / tips for those dances, the other 1/2 was just money I gave her at the bar, bought drinks with, tipped her for dances on the floor, just gave her lol, etc.
    I would consider that a good amount of money, especially if its a smaller club where the girls don't typically average $500 a night. She did give you a lot of time though, so it sounds like you got your money's worth.

    I'd hang for a couple of hours for $500, but not 7 or 8, unless, of course, you are wildly charming and intellectual.

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    fwiw I am wildly charming and intellectual , and it's definitely a smaller club, I have no idea if/what the club pays them aside from their tips though. most of the time we chatted at the bar, but you know she coulda just been fucked up on drugs for all I know haha, I am not usually the type to immediately assume someone likes me at all, but it seemed that there was at least some modicum of genuine interest there

    I'll definitely go back and see her briefly then and see what the deal is. She mentioned dinner (me taking her out to dinner someplace lol) so maybe I'll ask her if I can do that this weekend/whenever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbillie1 View Post
    fwiw I am wildly charming and intellectual ,
    sigh. i can no longer take this even a little bit seriously.

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    lol I was kidding obviously

    I dunno if I'm charming, I would assume not, and tho I'm intellectual (philosophy major ftw) I'm def a prick sometimes. Either way I just meant that to be funny, not srs bzns
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbillie1 View Post
    lol I was kidding obviously

    I dunno if I'm charming, I would assume not, and tho I'm intellectual (philosophy major ftw) I'm def a prick sometimes. Either way I just meant that to be funny, not srs bzns
    Sartre or Descartes? Quickly now, don't think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OdysseusNJ View Post
    Sartre or Descartes? Quickly now, don't think about it.


    if srs, Sartre > Descartes, but Merleau-Ponty is the my favorite French philosopher (unless Derrida counts as a philosopher, which is debatable)

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    My advice would be to handle it the way Rousseau theorized sexual relations transpired in the idyllic state of nature in which his Noble Savage reigned supreme.

    Don't worry about whether she really likes you or not...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbillie1 View Post


    if srs, Sartre > Descartes, but Merleau-Ponty is the my favorite French philosopher (unless Derrida counts as a philosopher, which is debatable)
    No making fun, and that was the answer I was looking for. I'll tease you about your cajones but never about philosophy unless you really cough up some weak shit. Yep, I'm a nerd.

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    Holy shit did I just turn a "does she like me thread" into a continental philo thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    My advice would be to handle it the way Rousseau theorized sexual relations transpired in the idyllic state of nature in which his Noble Savage reigned supreme.

    Don't worry about whether she really likes you or not...
    I'm almost positive this is a bad idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by OdysseusNJ View Post
    Holy shit did I just turn a "does she like me thread" into a continental philo thread?
    F*** it let's run with it... on Sartre, my problem is that he retains the enlightenment-era qualitative mind/body dualism that marred Kant's transcendentalism, for further critiques see Nietzsche (Beyond Good and Evil section 1, "On the Prejudices of Philosophers" deals with this at length) and Merleau-Ponty (phenomenology of perception- also a professor I had, Martin Dillon, wrote a great book called "Merleau-Ponty's Ontology" that's amazing but almost impossible to find since it was published through the SUNY press lol), etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbillie1 View Post
    F*** it let's run with it... on Sartre, my problem is that he retains the enlightenment-era qualitative mind/body dualism that marred Kant's transcendentalism, for further critiques see Nietzsche and Merleau-Ponty, etc
    Yep, he claims to avoid the dualism thing but it's still insidiously in there. Not as much as dualism daddy Descartes however which is why I asked.

    Did Nietzsche actually directly critique dualism or are you just referring to the nature of his writing? If the former I'm not familiar with which work it would be in.

    Mathmatically though Descartes rocked the house, even if I'm not a big fan of I think therefore I am.

    Hahaha this is not at all how I envisioned my SW night going. We were just talking about buttsecks in SW chat too. What a turn around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OdysseusNJ View Post
    Did Nietzsche actually directly critique dualism or are you just referring to the nature of his writing? If the former I'm not familiar with which work it would be in.
    In the first section of BGE, "On The Prejudices of Philosophers", he critiques types of dualism, also the synthetic a priori, the latter in section 11 and the former in 15-16, I can type up quotes but I don't wanna TOTALLY nerd it up and get banned cuz I'm still a noob here

    edit: "part 1" is On the Prejudices, the section #s are "section 1" etc, the actual section #s in text
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbillie1 View Post
    In the first section of BGE, "On The Prejudices of Philosophers", he critiques types of dualism, also the synthetic a priori, the latter in section 11 and the former in 15-16, I can type up quotes but I don't wanna TOTALLY nerd it up and get banned cuz I'm still a noob here
    No need to type it up, I have Beyond Good and Evil somewhere probably. I wouldn't worry about getting banned, you can talk about most topics in the lounge, and while folks do get banned here, doing so for nerding it up would be a first I think. Just make sure you don't post in ladies only or stripping general or say anything particularly heinous or insulting and you should be good to go.

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    Nice. I'm definitely used to vB forums, I have a handful shy of 8k posts over at 2+2 lol, I need a new forum to add to my repertoire I think, this place seems very cool so far, I might stick around haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbillie1 View Post
    I'm almost positive this is a bad idea
    It's the best idea, when in the clubs.

    These women are deluged with guys every night of the year--hundreds, thousands of them--whose overriding concern is whether the dancers really like them. This is the sort of masochistic thinking Nietzsche eschewed so vehemently. Rise above this weak-willed behavior, and you will do much better in the predatory environment of the stripclub. Think about it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    It's the best idea, when in the clubs.

    These women are deluged with guys every night of the year--hundreds, thousands of them--whose overriding concern is whether the dancers really like them. This is the sort of masochistic thinking Nietzsche eschewed so vehemently. Rise above this weak-willed behavior, and you will do much better in the predatory environment of the stripclub. Think about it...
    Bit of a stretch here Djoser... Old Freddy wasn't exactly a lady's man, unless you count possibly catching the syph as some type of Don Juan accomplishment!

    Sartre will get him farther, that little troll had beautiful women all over him despite being so gross looking and quite the asshole sometimes.

    Hehehe nevertheless I like where you are bringing this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    These women are deluged with guys every night of the year--hundreds, thousands of them--whose overriding concern is whether the dancers really like them. This is the sort of masochistic thinking Nietzsche eschewed so vehemently. Rise above this weak-willed behavior, and you will do much better in the predatory environment of the stripclub. Think about it...
    ?

    If not, good point and I will try to do that I guess...

    ...all this discussion has really watered down the overwhelming desire for this girl to fall in love with me anyway but we'll see how it goes

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    Quote Originally Posted by OdysseusNJ View Post
    Bit of a stretch here Djoser...
    Not really--old Freddy wasn't much for stripclubs, was he, LOL? Actually, for all I know, he was a sucker for the girls in the Caberet or whatever--but what I was doing was applying his notion of ideal behavior to the strange and challenging environment of the stripclub.


    Quote Originally Posted by OdysseusNJ View Post
    Hehehe nevertheless I like where you are bringing this thread.
    Yeah it sure beats the same old 'does she really like me?' routine, doesn't it? Sorry, Billie, it's just we've seen this sort of thing ad nauseum around here. No offense meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Not really--old Freddy wasn't much for stripclubs, was he, LOL? Actually, for all I know, he was a sucker for the girls in the Caberet or whatever--but what I was doing was applying his notion of ideal behavior to the strange and challenging environment of the stripclub.
    From what biographical info I've read he was kind of anti-social and awkward socially, would probably wind up labeled as a PL in a club despite the majesty of his work. And given that the OP's goal is to have this dancer like him, he'd be better served figuring out how the hell Sartre got a catch like De Beauvoir for all those years despite his rampantly predatory sexuality with other women and the fact he wasn't particularly nice, attractive or good in bed - she didn't have an orgasm until she met Nelson Algren years later.


    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Yeah it sure beats the same old 'does she really like me?' routine, doesn't it? Sorry, Billie, it's just we've seen this sort of thing ad nauseum around here. No offense meant.
    He seems to be taking it well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    It's the best idea, when in the clubs.

    These women are deluged with guys every night of the year--hundreds, thousands of them--whose overriding concern is whether the dancers really like them. This is the sort of masochistic thinking Nietzsche eschewed so vehemently. Rise above this weak-willed behavior, and you will do much better in the predatory environment of the stripclub. Think about it...
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    I'm a philosophy major. Nietzsche promoted genocide. Yes, he did. Genocide.

    Also, fun fact about Mr. N-- he was obsessed with a woman who really, really did not reciprocate his affections. I know we're supposed to analyze the text, not the biography...but the more I know about Nietzsche, the more he seems like a crazy invalid ranting in his sister's basement.

    Continental philosophy is very often too fluffy and confused. Even the very best of Heidegger gets chewed and spat out by Quine, et al. Analytic FTW!!

    In any case, I'd never claim my major makes me an 'intellectual'. I mean, it's a Bachelor of Arts. Starbucks degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mollyzmoon View Post
    I'm a philosophy major. Nietzsche promoted genocide. Yes, he did. Genocide.

    Also, fun fact about Mr. N-- he was obsessed with a woman who really, really did not reciprocate his affections. I know we're supposed to analyze the text, not the biography...but the more I know about Nietzsche, the more he seems like a crazy invalid ranting in his sister's basement.

    Continental philosophy is very often too fluffy and confused. Even the very best of Heidegger gets chewed and spat out by Quine, et al. Analytic FTW!!

    In any case, I'd never claim my major makes me an 'intellectual'. I mean, it's a Bachelor of Arts. Starbucks degree.
    I just woke up so I'm probably missing something, but are you jumping on Nietzsche's case regarding genocide and then implying Heidegger is the strongest of Continental philosophy? Not that Nietzsche was always admirable in this respect but his writing was twisted by Hitler whereas Heidegger actively supported the Nazis. Nietzsche did basically tell Wagner to go fuck himself over Wagner's anti-semitism and often criticized anti-semites.

    Hehehe "Analytic FTW". Internet-speak leads to the funniest quotes!

    And your major, if you're good at it, does make you an intellectual!

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