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    I know this:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007...ss_suit-2.html

    has been bandied around the forum. I emailed the journalist yesterday who put me in contact with the lawyer who's representing Francis. I told him my story and he wants to represent me, and is encouraging any other employees or ex-employees of Scores who have suffered to come forward....

    It's a funny old thing. I wrote a story about Scores called 'The Slap' which talks about the love-hate relationship you have with the job, the men, the clients, the club, the managers. I loved Scores and I also hated and was repulsed by what I witnessed there (managers drugging girls, forced sex acts, prostitution, bullying, racism, extortion - multiply a regular club by a million and it's Scores). For me, it's no big deal to come forward as I doubt I'll ever work in NYC as a stripper again - I know coming forward will blacklist me forever. But for girls who still want to keep working, I guess it's easier to keep quiet, plus so many girls don't want their names splashed across the papers as a stripper for Mommy and Daddy to read. I know when I was dancing I had no intention of ever complaining publicly about a club. An anonymous article in the NY Times was enough to get me fired from FlashDancers and threatened at Rick's Cabaret by some skinny-ass Russian Ho.

    Anyway, thought I'd put that out there. If you've worked in Scores and suffered as a result message me.... and please, no smartass bitch-sniping. I'm over that. Don't you think 'civilians' throw enough shit at us as it is?

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    Interesting. But was it the author of the article, the girl's lawyer or the girl herself that was pulling in extraneous BS into the real issue? If I take what is written at face value, it sounds like she should pick her battles. Being propositioned for sexual favors by a boss no matter the job should always always be wrong. However, her being worried about someone thinking she's a stripper because she's in a picture with strippers... who gives a shit? That's just crap that comes with the job. Maybe it's just the person who wrote the article. They get paid to make things sensational.

    Anyway, I hope things work out for the OP. No one should EVER be threatened with their job for refusal of sexual services. The law is the law no matter what and should be upheld. Personally, I've heard of one class action lawsuit by dancers against a club that was successful, and it felt good to hear it. I really seriously wish you the best. I'd jump on the bandwagon with you had it been me working around your time there.
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    yay ! Just what Manhattan clubs need, another high profile 'strip club' lawsuit being flogged in local NY media (which gets national attention whether it really should or not) to reinforce the Hollywood Stripper / Strip Club Stereotype.

    You may want to temper thoughts of 'coming forward' against the possible unintended consequences ... a NY city / state income tax audit is a distinct possibility. Also a possibility is an investigation into your home life by city / state public health and/or social services. And in the end some high powered attorney and 'good ol boy' judge may wind up disregarding your testimony as coming from a stereotype stripper who must be the 'lying, thieving, drug addicted whore who would say or do anything in her own self-interest' that the Hollywood Stripper Stereotype says she is. As I have posted about in many threads from the Duke Rape Case to bogus dancer busts, in the absence of HARD EVIDENCE a dancer has a very high probability of losing any 'he said, she said' court case. However, going on public record as a participant in a court case opens the door to all sorts of investigation, both by the defense and by gov't agencies.

    This situation absolutely sucks. However, in the 'real world', defense attorneys are going to be looking for reasons to try and discredit any testimony supporting the plaintiff, and judges / juries are going to give a lot more credibility to the defense attorney and private / gov't investigators than they will ever give to a 'stripper'. And unlike the girl involved in the Duke Rape Case, there is no law to shield your identity from any member of the general public or any gov't agency who chooses to make a FOIL request.

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    Weren't you working here illegally when you worked at Scores? Or did you have a visa to strip?

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    Default Re: Did you work in Scores?

    is scores a classy club?

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    ^ that depends on your definition of classy. you seem to have kind of negative opinions about a lot of things that happen in american clubs, based on some of your recent posts. plus, scores is a franchise so every location is different. the op was talking about one of the ones in new york, though.

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    i just heard from some girls and guys that scores was very upmarket place and nice to work at thats all. I have never been to american strip clubs, so dont have any idea!

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    yeah, was illegal when I worked there. Apparently that's irrelevant, which is good to hear as it was one of the reasons I never came forward before. To be honest, I don't give a shit if someone tries to discredit me. I'm a bolshy little asshole and always have been and the chance to air what happened makes me feel happy. Incidentally my book comes out next year so 'my side of the story' is out there forever more anyway....

    RE: Francis and the howardstern.com picture - I think her main concern was she was working in the club secretly, her parents didn't know. And so to have her pic up as if she was a stripper was a huge concern. I don't have a problem being a stripper, but if I stumbled across a lurid pic of my (hypothetical) daughter on the Scores website and thought she was one I would shit bricks.

    Sleaze is expected in this job, but Scores is beyond sleaze, believe me. I'm really interested in the outcome of this case. As female sex workers we need to be taking control and calling the shots a lot more than we do. the clubs rely on us. You'd never know it though, by the way you get treated sometimes....

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    oh, and melonie, thanks for your very valid concerns. These people are shits and they'll try it on. But I first though this:

    http://miminewyork.blogspot.com/2005/11/connected.html

    so now I don't want anyone to take away this opportunity and come hell or high water, I'm taking it... I think it's kind of good I was illegal as well. I met so many illegals doing shit under duress in Manhattan and not knowing their rights.....

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    Wow, the comments on that article really pissed me off.

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    the francis article? Me fuckin' too. I just watched an interview with diablo cody on her myspace page, and it seems as soon as you become a stripper, or work in the industry, it's an invitation for insults. No one would say that shit to a regular waitress, a regular dancer, so why us? Because we get our tits out? No excuse. I love dancing and I don't want clubs to close, but I would love for people to understand that girls who make the choice to work naked do not deserve less respect than anyone else. Whoever says, 'well, we made the choice to work there so we have to put up with that shit' is wrong. I thought that for so many months and it's not right. The only way to make a difference is to be smart and get wise and be outspoken. Francis maybe didn't have it worse than anyone else on this forum, but so what? NONE of us should have to put up with shit to make a buck and enjoy our work, as waitresses, dancers, whatever.

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    Yes, the Francis article. The people are basically saying "if you choose to waitress in a strip club, then it's okay for everyone to be abusive to you."

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    Yes, exactly. And whether you're a dancer or a waitress, you should be able to control information about yourself. Many dancers would freak about their picture being on the web, so why not a waitress? Though that comment in the news was terribly phrased....

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