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Last edited by Elusive21; 11-03-2008 at 08:36 PM.





my club has $20 reg dances, we get 15, and $30 topless, we get $20. theres a "vip" room but its still pay per song like that and we get nothing extra, they just pay the club $20 to go back. sometimes i lie, though, and say its 50 per song if i can get away with it.
its not hard to make money at all. the most ive ever made is 850 (ive worked there 6 months) but on the weekends i avg 6-700. my goal on weekends is typically 700.
my club is very much 'wanna dance?' though. i had to get used to that. but now i dont waste any time. i dont sit for even half a song, usually. i have one customer who will pay me to scratch his back and do a few dances, though i only go for it at the beginning of the night, because i could be really missing out if i sit with him.
champagne rooms in previous places i worked actually hurt my money. i got a lot a lot of rooms, i stupidly focused on those instead of dances. dances there were 30 and you kept it all. rooms you got 100-150 depending on the room. for a half hour. so really it was more sensible to just do dances, though i rarely did.
The club I did best in this year had no VIP room. I remember my average being about $100 higher a night than in the other clubs I worked this year, and with less stress, too. Then again, I'm only just starting to get ok at selling VIPs, so I may have a different answer if you ask this again in a year.
I'm wondering if there's anything to the theory that non-big-spender types will spend more if they're not feeling pressured to be VIP spenders. Anyone?
Oh, and that club had $20 topless dances, $30 nude dances, and something like 6 stages a girl might be up on at any given time.
Last edited by misslizzy; 01-04-2008 at 03:25 PM. Reason: spelling & extra info





^ well, i know that i am wonderful at selling rooms. like i said, i ONLY sold rooms at my last club before the one i'm at. very rarely did i do dances. i still make more money at the place i'm at now with no vip.
At my club all the dances are $20 each. There is no VIP rate unless we can convince a custy to pay our price. No its not hard to make over 400. The club is pretty busy. I do wish we had a VIP rate so I could make even more.


Brit, are you talking about Gold Club, as your previous club? I actually currently work there and if it's what you're talking about, it does make more sense to do dances instead of the cheaper rooms.





yeah. i sold a shitload of rooms there but my average is much higher at my club now.





My club doesn't have a VIP room. Our dances are $25 a song ($5 to bar) and $125 for 20 minutes ($25 to bar). I've worked at a few clubs with VIP rooms, some you can do better that selling $20 dances, some, after the cut given to the club, you do better just doing $20 dances.
I don't have a VIP at my club. We have $20 dances and we keep all of it.
I don't have any problem breaking $300 with this set up. My shift is 6 hours long.
Sometimes I'll sell time though. It depends on the situation. I've gotten $400 for an hour in the lap dance room and a few times when there was no one else in the club I've done $100 for half an hour.
I sort of like making my own VIP pricing up. And the club doesn't take any of it.
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We do $20 dances and have a weird communal VIP room where you have to buy a set of 5 in order to get in. It's easy to make $100 at a time, but breaking more than $300 with one custy is rare. However, there are no problems at all breaking $400/shift.





It isn't hard to make $5-600 in clubs with just dances, especially if you keep all of the dance money, but it is harder to break $1K without being able to sell VIPs (unless dances cost significantly more than $20/song). Until the last couple of years my experience had been mostly in TX clubs with no VIP so it's just hustle hustle hustle the dances and try to stay busy as much as possible. Though as holiday mentioned it is possible still to sell blocks of time. It's just easier-much easier- to do that when the club structure supports it.




If your club is $20 dances with no VIP room it's not so bad as long as the club stays busy. Because of the VIP pay structure in my old $20 dance club (club got most of the money) girls would opt to stay on the floor would make more money selling dance by dance.
In a slow club, i'd say you really have to learn that you're worth it to convincingly sell your time on the main floor. I wouldn't not try to sell blocks of time though. I'd say that the more you pitch it the better you'll get at it, and soon girls will wonder what your secret is to always making more than them.![]()





well thanks britt, you are lucky and just goodbritney is my stage name and i love it.





it really depends how your club is set up, dance prices vs room, what's the incentive for them to go to a room (or how you can spin it to look like there's one), etc. at that club, it made more sense for them to spend $150-200 on a room because they got drinks included (drinks were pricey) and like i said girls were topless in rooms but not in lap dances. plus rooms are more private.
I miss having a champagne room, but we also could charge whatever we wanted for an hour ($300-$500) and we kept every cent. If you sold one room, you were going to have a good night. It made it pretty easy to break 1k.
At my new club we have $20 dances...pretty much air dances, and nothing else. It makes it kind of hard. The most I've made is $800, and that was on a packed night where i hustled my bum off.
I can still usually make $500 pretty easily as long as it's not super slow, but I doubt i'll be hitting 1 k a few times a month like I could with the CR.
I really couldn't work in a club without vip rooms and just hustle dances exclusively. I wouldn't be making anywhere near my goal. I know of clubs where most people buy just $10 table dances. It's hardly worth busting your ass for that little money. On the downside, clubs with fancy vips tend to take a large cut out of the girls' money.




A couple things that might help...
-always get to work "on time" to never have a late fee. (more time on the floor + $20-40 more at the end of the night)
- be very proactive about getting tipped on dances and stacking dances
- overcharging for dances is not illegal. If it's not okay with management though you might be fired for it. It may or may not hurt to ask.
I worked in a dance only club for about a year and found it hard to break 500 and my average was about 360 per night. Unless.. I charged hourly to sit and talk and then I could bank. It was kind of a dive so I my pitch was this 1/2 hour for $150 and free drinks, or $275 per hour and free drinks. (I had my own tabs and it was a beer only club and they ranged b/t 1.5 and 3 bucks per drink, usually only bought one per hour hour anyways, but it realllly sold them for some reason). I always sold the 1/2 hours and afterwards if they wanted another I charged another 150. since they didnt block the hour. My customers LOVED it, b/c no other dancer in the club offered free drinks, it was so simple!
I have I guess an "interesting" situation...more like it sucks, haha!
I work at the underdog club in town, and all dances are $10, with a VIP which is a semi-closed off area with couches, $25 per song, they take $5. This club is rarely packed, and very often <10 people in it.
(Don't ask me how but I still manage to sell the most dances %99 of the time so it's been okay $$.)
The thing is, I rarely push the VIP. It seems like too much conversation, back and forths, for just $20, and ppl don't usually get many multiples. I feel like the odds are farrr higher on a quick hustle for $10 and then repeat dances. I feel like if I hustle VIP, and they're not going for it, they also will stop buying the $10 table dances because they are just thinking way too hard and that's a buzzkill.
Does anyone care to comment on this? (please?)




Always push for VIP first, if he doesn't bite then do the $10 dance and bring up VIP again during the dance. Try to sell the $10 dance as a "test drive" and then work him for repeat dances in the VIP. Maybe try selling in blocks rather than single $25 dances.
Is there a difference between the floor dances and the VIP dances?
Pushing for the VIP will not stop them from buying the floor dances as long as you aren't overly pushy about it.
I think it depends on the customer too. Not every guy is the same, some guys are shy and don't want to get a dance in front of everyone. Other guys don't want to leave their friends and get out of the seat.
Not much, and in the beginning I let them touch me a little, like shoulders, back, lower legs. (one way contact here, and they are GOOD about sitting on their hands) and was told that was not okay, even a little bit of touching. So I just do xtra special moves like stand above them, flip, bend completely upside down, etc.
It's always over really quick and unless they are regs, they realize how quickly it stacks up.
People here are really cheap, but I think it's bc they are really working class. I don't get so much rude cheap-on-purpose ppl here.
That's a good point about trying for VIP first, sometimes I think about it, but feel like I have much more success in getting that $20 and more by a QUICK dance hustle. Thank you for the block of time suggestion, that's great!
Just the mention of "VIP" sends their brains into a tizzy, even tho they know that it's only $25, not $500. They have alllll kinds of questions, etc. of course and it just can't be a quick hustle.
(I'm also really inexperienced selling VIPS, bc the club I worked at the longest, in NYC, had such heavy contact LD's, and no-camera extras-expected rooms)
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