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    I really think this is a big part of the problem in my club... Thanks to f-ing House Bill whatever, there's now a mandatory $5 PER HEAD tax on EVERY SINGLE customer that walks through the door, so the cost of coming out to the strip club has gone up. Examples from my club:

    We used to have no cover before a certain hour, and a sliding cover ($2-$4) throughout the night. We also used to have the VIP program, which gave our custies no cover with their VIP cards. Now there's NO VIP program and a $5/head cover. Our club is not making any money with their covers anymore, so they had to raise prices on other things.

    We used to advertise $5 steak dinners. Now they're $6.50.

    We used to have a "Progressive Happy Hour" on domestic beers, ranging in price from $0.75 to $2 a beer. Now beers start at about $1.50 and go up to $3.50 (for domestics) throughout the night. (I think that's right, but maybe Ginelle can correct me on that.)

    We have hourly "shot specials": Usually Tuaca, Patron, Jager, and a single-shot you-call-it, and usually around $2 for the two songs they were on special. Now the shot specials are $3.50.

    Now the problem, as I see it, is two-fold:

    1)The lawmakers are trying to force the strip-clubs to close, and unfortunately, it seems to be coming close to working. I worry about this... Last night (according to my manager), our club racked up $3,000 in taxes. And we only made $4,000. Here's my concern with this: If the clubs close, some of the girls will be fine. They have degrees or nursing certifications or something else like that to fall back on. But a lot of the girls WON'T. And hey, there's always the Boulevard. So what's going to become of these girls? They want to close down the strip-clubs, but who's going to pay the mortgages and car payments of all these dancers? Not to mention the waitresses, who as a general rule of thumb tend to make more waitressing in a SC than they would in a regular club. Then there's managers, DJ's, owners, etc. In other words, they're trying to destroy an entire industry in such a way that would put a lot of people out of work, and MANY of these people would never be able to survive on the income they could garner from a "regular" (legal) job. I was discussing this with my fiance last night... I can't speak for other areas, but I can say with some certainty that in MY town, if the SCs close down, we're going to see prostitution shoot through the roof, because I know a lot of the girls I work with (not all, but some) that would feel they had no choice. So this, as I see it, is problem #1.

    2)The cost of this adult entertainment has gone up to the point that many of our customers can no longer afford to come, cannot afford to come as often, or cannot afford to spend as much time/money as they once did. I believe that SCs serve a valuable purpose in a community. They provide a (mostly-male) place to go, relax, engage in some fantasy-play, and unwind. They provide a social outlet to people (or groups of people) that is unlike any other. Those who are lonely can find some companionship, if only for a few songs. They make a wonderful environment for bachelor parties and other primarily male gatherings, as well as a great meeting place for guys to go hang out and get a break from the women-folk. Kind of like the old YMCA used to do, ya know? So what will happen to the customers if the SCs are all run out of business? Will they end up seeking a less safe outlet for their frustrations and their emotional needs?

    OKAY... please bear with me, I know this is getting long...

    As to the second point, I'm wondering if anyone is familiar with the laws in Texas regarding talent agencies for private parties? I'm thinking that with the increased cost of going to the SC, an agency that could handle bachelor parties, etc. (outcalls) would be a welcome addition to the town. For example, if you had a party of 20 guys, they'd be paying a minimum $100 cover amongst them all for a SC experience, as of Jan 1. Add the $60 cost of a showtime (in my club) and about $150 or so for private dances, and you're up to $310. Then you factor in beer, stage tips, etc., and you're looking at an easy $500-$600 for a bachelor party. If an outcall agency charged, say, $500 per hour, the agency could pay the dancer $300, the security/driver $100, and keep $100 for the agency. With the average dancer income in the SC going down, that would be a good option for a lot of the dancers, especially if the agency could get a good clientele. And that's still less than (or about the same) as what the bachelor party would spend to go to an SC now. I've been mulling this over, but I wanted to get some input from the rest of you gals about whether this would be something to consider starting.

    Now, as for the first point (and this is the important part): Are there any other Texas girls that might be interested in staging a protest at the State Capitol building in Austin regarding this House Bill? I'm picturing a thousand or so dancers, club employees, etc., standing on the steps of the Capitol building each holding signs saying, "I'm Dancing for _________," or "I'm working in a Strip Club to ________." Like mine would say, "I'm Dancing for my three kids," and maybe have a picture of my kiddos. Another girl might say, "I'm Dancing my way through college," with pictures of her high school graduation photos. Another might say, "I'm Dancing to pay my mortgage," with a picture of her house. I'd like to stage a BIG event in Austin--lots of press and media, etc. I want to show them (the lawmakers AND the general public) that we all have reasons why we dance. We're not dancing (or working in an SC) because we're morally bankrupt, but because we're supporting families, paying bills, working through college, footing medical bills for elderly family members, supporting disabled spouses, or whatever. We could have a few speakers (anyone brave enough to volunteer) stand up and give a speech about the reasons they got into dancing, and about the negative effects of this House Bill, and calling for it to be overturned. Anyone else interested?

    If there's enough interest, let's organize it and see what we can do. I can't in good conscience sit back and watch disinterestedly while the corrupt lawmakers in Austin proceed to destroy the lives and livelihoods of so many good people. If anyone else is as ticked off about this as I am, would anyone else be interested in working with me to try to make a difference?

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    Default Re: Other Texas girls... Have your clubs suffered since Jan 1?

    I went to a gas station once and they had the cost of gasoline and then a list of taxes charged on a sticker on the pump. In other words, they were saying "it's expensive cuz of these taxes."

    Shove it in the customer's face who they are allowing to come into power by saying "That will be five dollars cover and five dollars for the Texas Statute 152 Fee." When they ask "What the fuck is that" the answer would be "Texas passed a law taxing each and every strip club customer."

    The same could be said for drinks. Is it really four dollars or is really three and some change.

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    I went to the Rose the other night and they are just charging an additional $5 on top of the regular cover, whatever that is. They didn't charge me cover, but asked if we could throw in $5 for the tax. Then we went to another club and didn't get charged anything at all. Business was good and both clubs were packed.

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    ^^^I think a lot depends on the club... Frankly, in a higher-end club where there's a higher profit margin, they may choose not to raise their prices at all. Or, if they cater to a higher-end clientele, their customers won't complain if they DO raise their prices.

    But I know it's DEFINITELY affected SC business in my town. Here, we have three major strip clubs and I think three smaller dive-type clubs. The three major clubs ALL have VIP programs which allow people to get in with no cover. And honestly, I know it will probably norm itself out in about 3-6 months or so. But I'm almost certain that two of the three dive clubs will be run out of business by it, and the third (an all-nude, BYOB place) will have a HARD time because they have a lower profit margin (no beer). Even my club, which is incorporated (and therefore has less difficulty with this sort of thing) is already feeling the pinch. The club used to make money in cover charges that they don't make now. Since the cover IS higher than it used to be, our place has been much slower. This Friday night, when it's usually standing-room-only, we didn't even need to open our third stage (and we ALWAYS open it on Fridays) and our standing-room-only Friday left us with about 10 open tables all night long. Beer costs more, so the people that would just come in for cheap drinks (a $1 beer in a SC costs about $3 in a regular bar, so lots of people would just come in to drink) don't come, and the alcohol sales were much lower. When a club only makes $1,000 (after taxes) on a Friday night, there's a problem. And in talking with the dancers who work at the other two non-dive clubs, they're having the same problem.

    But more importantly, this House Bil 1751 is just WRONG! They're charging strip clubs a new pole tax to help fund rape and domestic violence centers. Why aren't they charging sex shops the same thing? Why aren't they charging peep shows? And it demonstrates a complete lack of concern for the dancers. For example, just last week in my dressing room, I witnessed the following exchange between a dancer and one of the managers:

    Dancer: I'm scared to go home, because I'm afraid he's going to kill me.
    Manager: Mama, if you're really ready to get out of there, we'll keep you safe.
    Dancer: I am. I don't want to go back there, but I've got my stuff there.
    Manager: Go ahead and get dressed. It's the end of the night, so stick around for about a half-hour or so. We'll send Big Mike (a really, REALLY big bouncer/manager) with you to go get your stuff. But, Chica, if I'm going to stick my neck out for you, don't you dare go back to that. You know you deserve better than that.
    Dancer: I won't. Thank you.

    You want to see a domestic violence crisis? Let's stick all these dancers with no source of independent income. Let's make these dancers completely dependent upon the abusive, drug-dealing assholes that they find to be their Sugar Daddies. Let's make it to where they CAN'T leave the jerks because they have no source of income and no way to afford to support themselves and their kids.

    I speak from experience. I've been there. I was married 8 years to an abusive man before I got the courage to leave him, and I was living in abject poverty after that for a few months until I discovered stripping. I hated my husband and tried to leave him many times, but I never was able to. He had access to the finances, and he always reeled me back in because I couldn't afford to do anything else.

    THIS is why I'm so pissed off. They're doing everything possible to take away the right of others to make a living wage. You want to get rid of stripping? How about raising the minimum wage and forcing employers to pay a wage that someone might actually be able to live on? How about increasing funding for programs that actually SUPPORT someone who's trying to make a better life for themselves? How about more college scholarship programs, since I know a lot of dancers who are dancing their way through college? How about doing SOMETHING about the economic factors that lead women to choose dancing as a career? How about something--ANYTHING--that doesn't just push the problem of poverty further and further underground, but actually does something to HELP it?

    We have a deejay whose pay was cut on the first of the year. This deejay pays child support for his three kids on-time or early EVERY SINGLE MONTH and sleeps on a mattress on the floor because he sends so much of his money to his kids. We have a bar-back who's married with two children, and his pay has been cut. His wife's pregnant with their third (visibly pregnant) and thus can't get another job. We have club owners that are putting their children through college. We have one dancer (at my old club) who's putting HER child through college and has another child graduating this year. We have people who are ABLE to build better lives for themselves and their children through working in this industry. And our short-sighted, Bible-belt, closeted, Puritanical lawmakers have the fucking nerve to think that they can destroy ALL of us, just because their wives have thrown one too many hissy fits over their nights out at the strip club, or just because their ignorant and narrow-minded voters want to convert everyone to a theocratic nightmare by force, if necessary.

    And *I* say that it's high time we stop being this hidden minority and actually let them KNOW what their ignorance is doing to us. If it doesn't affect your income, then I'm happy for you, and you're lucky. But it's not JUST about YOUR income. It's also about the fact that, in trying to impose their fucked-up, 4,000-year-old sense of morality on the rest of the state, they're bull-dozing through the 21st century with nary a concern about how badly they're hurting the tens of thousands of people that work in the SC industry throughout the state. It's about the fact that any system of morality that pains, damages, and destroys other people is (to me, at least) a moral abomination.

    Okay, rant over... Sorry...

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    I agree that this is a law that will hurt a lot of people and will almost surely not help as many as it claims to.

    I do NOT want to say "why aren't they charging X other adult industry businesses?" because eventually, they will. And I don't want to hurry that day. Many of us work at peepshows. I've thought about working at adult bookstores. Let's not war amongst each other.

    I posted this on the thread in the Lounge but my house mom wasn't even aware of the Pole Tax law when I went in on Thursday. We had a pretty steady supply of customers so I don't know if we've changed the fees yet. I agree that the dives, small town clubs, and BYO clubs are most likely to suffer from this.

    Last but not least, yes I would be very willing to come to a protest in Austin. I don't have anything I'm dancing for but me, but that's enough reason.


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    I went in for the first time this year last night, and I got word from the other girls that business has been horrible every day so far in 08. Like your club, Saturdays are usually standing-room only here, at least for a while around midnight. Instead, the club looked like a sub-par weeknight. Most notably, 90% of the VIP booths were empty, when they are usually all bought up for the night.

    I believe I was in the top 10% of earners last night, and I left with an amount I would normally be disappointed with on a Monday! I usually make about double what I made on a Saturday.

    In addition, the club has big signs in the front about the $5 tax and how they don't agree with it but they can't do anything about it, so pay up.
    ALSO there are signs all over the dressing room about how all housefees are increasing by $5 because of "increasing overhead costs"

    So the pole tax is coming out of my pocket in more ways than one.

    How is it that a group of women ends up paying for rape victims, when many possibly have experienced the same themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayMorning View Post
    I do NOT want to say "why aren't they charging X other adult industry businesses?" because eventually, they will. And I don't want to hurry that day. Many of us work at peepshows. I've thought about working at adult bookstores. Let's not war amongst each other.

    Last but not least, yes I would be very willing to come to a protest in Austin. I don't have anything I'm dancing for but me, but that's enough reason.
    I'm not trying to say that they should be charging other adult businesses... They shouldn't. But I also don't think that they should be specifically targeting stripclubs, either.

    And honey, even if you're only dancing for you, why? Are you dancing to pay your car payment? Are you dancing for your groceries or your rent? THIS is what I'm trying to say... Some of us are supporting families, going through college, etc. Others of us are saving our money so that we can retire young or be financially secure. Still others of us are just dancing for the groceries. But I guess my point is this: None of us on here are dancing just because we're all a bunch of whores who can't keep our clothes on. We're all dancing for SOMETHING. We're all dancing because we get paid, and then THAT money goes to helping us all to have a better life than we could have without it. Whether the money goes to children, to college, to savings, or to the grocery store, we're all making money and putting it to SOMETHING.

    PM me, and we'll see what we can do about a protest.

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    just an fyi: the woman who proposed this tax was a radical feminist. religion certainly has to do with part of why this tax was advocated, but not quite the one you're thinking of. of the many stupid things done by various Christian-based cultures, this is actually not one of them.

    the actual text of the bill is extremely intriguing reading. i love reading legislation.

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    While I was paying my house fee's and saw two guys get pissed because of it. My club is giving out a free drink with it so usually once they here that they get over it. I think with the time of year it is, it is too early to tell if it affecting business.
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    ^^^I'm sure that lots of people are supporting this bill for a variety of reasons. This is why I think that the protest with signs saying, "I'm Dancing For _______" would be a good idea. I want to show them that if they want to help women, they need to find other ways to do it, because this is hurting more people than it is helping.

    Do you have a link to the legislation, or do I need to search for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayMorning View Post
    the dives, small town clubs, and BYO clubs are most likely to suffer from this..
    Maybe that is why they have started this? Maybe there are too many strip clubs and they could be seen as a breeding ground for extras and other nasties?

    I think that it is in a way sort of good that they cull some clubs, yes some will be with out a job and wont be able to make a transition to a new club, others will have to find a complete new industry to work in, but I think in the long run it could be better for the industry.. make it more exclusive!



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    Saturday was okay, but nothing like it used to be. Last week was seriously the worst week I've EVER seen at my club. Thursday was a good because guys were buying dances. Nothing high-volume, not a big crowd, but it was nice to see them spending some money.

    ETA:
    Oh, check it out: . Our club is part of this lawsuit, Morgan.

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    When gas prices went up, a lot of people said they'd start carpooling or taking the bus because they couldn't afford the gas. Today, traffic is more congested than ever, and gas is still going up.
    When cigarettes started getting taxed to pay for everything, a lot of people I knew said that they'd stop smoking. But they're still smoking.
    Wait a while. The men will be back in the clubs.

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    Out of curiosity... who's counting the customers?


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    ^Anytime I've ever worked as a doorgirl, I've had to keep track of how many customers there are. There were always numbers on armbands, or a tally sheet.

    And I totally hear Danielle. Everyone isn't carpooling and buying smaller cars. There's Escalades and Tahoes and Hummers all over the roads. People just eventually adapt. I'm sure the guys will, too.

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    At the end of the day, couldn't the club look at those numbers, half it and go, "Oh but Mr. Policeyweecy, we only had 800 customers!" and then pocket the rest?


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    ^I suppose, if they're running a scam and not a legit business.

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    ^I suppose, if they're running a scam and not a legit business.
    See, here I thought we were talking about strip clubs, not legit businesses.


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    I think even strip clubs know better than to mess with Mr. tax-man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabrina View Post
    I think even strip clubs know better than to mess with Mr. tax-man.
    Umm... yesss... of course they do.

    (Hahha, I remember even though we had to claim ourselves at one place we worked, it was magical how we went from making $100k a year to $12k a year at tax season!)


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    Quote Originally Posted by PrettyCurlieQ View Post
    Saturday was okay, but nothing like it used to be. Last week was seriously the worst week I've EVER seen at my club. Thursday was a good because guys were buying dances. Nothing high-volume, not a big crowd, but it was nice to see them spending some money.

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    Oh, check it out: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....6ef9b73c.html. Our club is part of this lawsuit, Morgan.
    So is ours, I found out last night. We raised our cover charge by $3 and customers who had purchased a "pass" to get in free had to pay like everyone else. They also raised the house fees $2. I talked to the manager on duty last night about it and he said they were trying to do as little as possible for now; he said that we were part of the ^ lawsuit and he felt pretty confident we could get this overthrown. While not as confident as him, I'm glad to hear that my club isn't just biting it.

    However, we had a full Sunday crowd. Almost everyone who came in had heard about the tax so there wasn't much grumbling and people were spending money like normal. So I still am not really seeing much of a difference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Danielle_4370 View Post
    When gas prices went up, a lot of people said they'd start carpooling or taking the bus because they couldn't afford the gas. Today, traffic is more congested than ever, and gas is still going up.
    When cigarettes started getting taxed to pay for everything, a lot of people I knew said that they'd stop smoking. But they're still smoking.
    Wait a while. The men will be back in the clubs.
    I agree with this 100%.


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    AGAIN, this is almost exactly as I had predicted:
    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63993

    The end result is going to be that the high-end clubs remian, and the low end clubs are forced to close. I'm not making a judgement call on that as such, I know there are lots of 'neighborhood' strip clubs that we all like to call home from time to time. However, I have to say that in the big picture, this is really for the good, as explained in my thread above. The biz has become over-saturated and the showmanship has been lost. This will actually give us a chance to get back to the showmanship and AWAY from grinding laps for pennies on the dollar, being little more than prostitutes (again, no slam; I just believe if you want BJ or FS, pay for a prosti and get it done right, to the less harm of all involved.). I hate that this is going to be such a painful process for many of us, myself included, since I'm not the spring chicken I once was.

    I know this post comes off as sounding know-it-all, and I'm sorry, but I have to call it like I see it. If I end up being proven wrong, well, that's fine too.

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    Default Re: Other Texas girls... Have your clubs suffered since Jan 1?

    I'll be perfectly honest: I'm scared to even go to work, because I'm scared I won't make my house fees & tipout. So as a result, I haven't been in too much since the first. But I do know that this past week, I made $32 and $81 on the two nights I worked (after tipouts & house). I normally make $200+. I got my alcoholic beverage server permit because I'm seriously thinking of switching to waitressing if this doesn't improve. Frankly, if I'm only making about $50 a night, what's the stinking point?

    I'm sure it will normalize eventually, but it really does worry me. Our club is an EXCELLENT club, and even they've been struggling. So I do worry about what the outcome will be.

    And for those of you fortunate enough to work in a club that ISN'T as strongly affected by this, it will STILL affect you. We all know that very few clubs limit the number of dancers they have, so what will happen to you when all those other clubs close down? Their dancers (many of them) will then seek employment in YOUR club, which may likely double your dancer rolls and make a smaller piece of the pie for all of YOU.

    I do want to wait a bit... I'm thinking of maybe protesting around April or so if it does what I fear it will do. I want to see how it will actually affect things long-term before starting some major protest, and if the court will overturn it as a result of the lawsuit. But in the meantime, I still think it sucks.

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    Default Re: Other Texas girls... Have your clubs suffered since Jan 1?

    Ladies, also keep in mind that its the beginning of January. Everyone has blown a ton of money and is parties out from December.

    I think the clubs will adapt. In Austin, perhaps Ricks and HotBodies might shut down due to this because they are always empty. But the other clubs will be ok.

    Smaller clubs in smaller towns though....they already have it tough in Texas!

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