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    Quote Originally Posted by MixedBabe88 View Post
    Wow, this thread makes no sense.
    I have no clue what is going on.
    AND, I read the whole damn thing.
    I was thinking the EXACT same thing. I have no friggen clue what the hell he's talking about. The further I got the more sense it DIDNT make.

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    If she was in San Diego I would recommend King Stahlman. But, she's not so I'm sorry I don't have any recommendations for you. However, The King has info on his site that may be useful to you? hth


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    Quote Originally Posted by AudreyLeigh View Post
    I was thinking the EXACT same thing. I have no friggen clue what the hell he's talking about. The further I got the more sense it DIDNT make.
    Exactly. WTF?

    But even I, who know absolutely nothing about Real World Situations like bailing someone out of jail, would have figured it out and gotten them out in a day if that was my intention. Double WTF?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle1111 View Post

    A buddy who is Mr. Postive and who believes in rushing to the rescue of those in need even told me to forget about her and let the system run its course. It might be positive i.e. she is released on the 22nd or she may do real hard time and lose her child. To think I can do much of anything is absurd, but heck there is always a very slim chance. Her "real" friends are smart to run like rats and roaches---that is just part of the game. And, really I don't judge them that harshly even though it sounds like it. If I was in their shoes, then I probably do the same thing.
    OMG, he's trying to help Britney Spears. Aaaaaaaaaaaaah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    OMG, he's trying to help Britney Spears. Aaaaaaaaaaaaah
    That just made this thread worth reading. Otherwise, WTF?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    OMFG....


    Can't you put it on a credit card? Either this girl is really an asshole, or all of her friends are.

    Katrine sees it correctly here I think. If you are close to someone and need to bail them out the money isn't an obstacle. My view here is that you aren't that close to her.

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    well, for the sake of general information I'll relate what I have learned about (bogus) club busts, posting bail etc.

    The starting point is viewing a busted dancer from the eyes of a cop / judge / bailbondsman. First thing is the charge. For starters let's discount drug charges or any other potentially serious charges, and concentrate on the basics ... a dancer busted for 'crossing the line' in the course of doing her 'job'. Sometimes this charge can be a local ordinance - sometimes this charge can be a state prostitution law ... but from the standpoint of crime classification and set amount of bail they often amount to the same thing. You're usually talking about $500-$1000 cash bail for a first offense - but this could be a lot higher for a 'repeat' offender (even if the other charges occurred in different states).

    From the standpoint of a bail bonds company, most view posting a bond for a girl facing a prostitution charge as a high risk bet. This charge usually applies to street girls who have no permanent local address, and who are very likely to simply skip town if freed on bail. As a result, most of the 'corporate' bail bond companies will not consider writing bail bonds for prostitution charges as a matter of corporate policy - period. Local non-corporate bail bond companies WILL usually write a bail bond for prostitution charges, but they are going to want some sort of security against the girl skipping out after being released on bail. THIS was the reason that the bail bond lady discussed above was trying to make linkage to the busted girl's family, and also wanted collateral posted. Ironically, it's easier for a person busted for much more serious crimes to get a bail bond written than a busted dancer, because the person busted for much more serious crimes also usually has a local house / business address plus local family which provides 'security' for the bail bond company to conclude that this person will not simply skip town and leave all of their assets behind. Since dancers usually don't have such assets, and since traveling dancers have zero local connections, they provide no such 'security'.

    So yes if a dancer is (bogusly) busted, from the standpoint of the legal system she should expect to be treated in just about the same manner as a common street 'whore'. For traveling dancers this is especially the case, since local cops and local bail bondsmen will view a busted travelling dancer as being an even higher 'flight risk' proposition. This also usually means that the only simple and straightforward method of posting bail means the busted dancer herself paying $500-$1000 cash on the barrelhead at the local police station / court after the busted dancer has been arraigned and bail has been set.

    If the busted dancer didn't have sufficient reserve cash on her person when she was busted to cover paying cash bail (which is usually the case unless she keeps $100 bills stashed in the bottom of her purse), then there is next to zero chance that the dancer herself can make arrangements with a bail bondsman from inside the local lockup after she has been taken into custody. I would also add that local police / jail personnel will be almost entirely non-helpful in regard to providing information to persons in custody about local attorneys, local bail bond companies etc. But even if you did know exactly who to deal with, the fact remains that a busted dancer is still in custody ... meaning there is no way she can get to a bank / ATM machine, and probably meaning that making phone calls will be restricted too. Partly for these reasons, and also because of required signatures, collateral etc. getting a bail bondsmen to post bond is absolutely going to involve a third party.

    If the third party has access to the $500-$1k in cash, they can simply go down to the police station / court and pay cash to bail the dancer out on their own signature and bypass the bail bond company altogether. Of course this also means that if the busted dancer does not show up for her court date that the third party's $500-$1k is toast. Note that the vast majority of police stations / courts will NOT accept personal checks or credit cards or wire transfers as valid payment for bail - they ONLY want to see dollar bills on their counter !

    If the third party does not have access to $500-$1k in cash, or is unwilling to take on the personal risk of loss, the third party can go to a bail bond company and make arrangements for THEM to post a bail bond. However, with prostitution / sex crime charges, this may very well involve the third party being required by the bail bond company to post some sort of collateral (title to their car - cash advance on their credit card etc.) before they will write the bond and post bail for the busted dancer. Ultimately, bail bond companies are in business to turn a profit ... and to do so means covering their own a$$es in regard to potential bond forfeiture losses if/when a busted dancer they bailed out skips town without appearing for their court date. So at minimum, where a prostitution / sex crime charge is concerned, this probably means that the bail bond company will charge a 25% fee on top of the bail amount (which must be paid in cash up front by the third party - and will NOT be returned when the busted dancer shows up for her court appearance), plus sufficient collateral to cover 100% of the bail amount (which WILL be returned when the busted dancer shows up for her court appearance).

    This explains why, in my road trip days, I would keep ten new and totally unmarked, bank teller checked for not being counterfeit, $100 bills sewn into the lining of my clutch purse ... which never left my sight / reach while working at out of town clubs !

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardkandee View Post
    That just made this thread worth reading. Otherwise, WTF?
    My thoughts exactly!

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    Hi Melonie,

    Thank you for very much for ALL the information. I don't get to read your posts often, but the few that I have read are well worth reading.

    I had deposited $100 into her jail account on or about January 6th. After only 5 days she says it is all gone! Apparently the inmates get charged $14 per week for room and board and who knows what other charges are taken out. Anyway, she asked me to ask her brother to put in $20. I told her that before visiting that I had tried to use the kiosk to put more money in, but it was out of order. Anyway, I called her brother and he basically said that I needed to understand that he was broke although he has a full time job. I believe him and I believe he will help within his budget.

    So, I'm willing to lose $1,000 assuming I can find a reputable bondsperson who isn't going to start yapping about collateral or other bs. I don't trust bondspeople base on what my friends with experience have to say and I sure as hell don't trust the courts.


    I do find it amusing that some people think I'm the bad guy in all of this merely because I don't have a bottomless well of wealth. Her "real" friends disappeared, which sounds like what my friends would do if I was in government custody (and this may be the most moral course of action). Her mom and dad apparently don't care or actually would even prefer that she stay in a government cell perhaps because they view stripping as evil or they would like to take her child. Her government doesn't seem to give a damn about her safety or wellbeing or her "rights" or even whether she is guilty or innocent. And, the guy actually spending his hard earned money is the one who gets sh*t on. Yes, definitely seems like the America that I know.

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    Bottom line there aren't any dancers in this area who have or are willing to share their experience with bailbondpersons. And, at this point it probably isn't needed because I doubt that even as nasty as the system is that the government will proceed. Of course, I could be wrong. I still haven't been allowed to talk with her public defender so who knows the public defender may tell me that my friend will be an old woman before or if she is ever allowed out.

    One hint: My friend called to let me know that they had moved her. The connection was horrible, but I thought I got her jail cell number. Anyway, at the jail they didn't have the correct cell for her so they claimed that they couldn't find her. Fortunately, I had brought a picture and found a friendly guard. Presto, my friend is found!!! Thus, bring a picture and hope for a friendly guard just in case! BTW, I haven't heard from my friend since Friday which could mean anything. She was supposed to call Saturday. I might have made a huge mistake even contacting her. Her friends were a lot smarter and my friends were a lot smarter than me.

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    You seem like a nice person trying to help. However, your posts here were cryptic and confusing. Can you blame us for having questions or doubting you.

    It sounds like you aren't all that close with this girl, a regular customer perhaps? If so, then you cannot be expected to bail her out. Unfortunately, if her friends and family aren't willing to help her, then perhaps she can evaluate those choices in the future. She doesn't seem to bright.

    And why won't you tell us why she is in jail? That could help out quite a bit!

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    I dont think youre the "bad guy" I just dont understand a damn thing youve written. Youre letting her sit and rot in jail. ok, and she says to let her, ummm ok? I really have no clue whats really going on because there are obviously missing parts of this story. It makes no damn sense. If you want to get her out of jail you already would have, if you dont want to spend the money to get her out then dont. End of story.

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    Hi Katrine,

    I was a regular customer. At one time she said I could either be her friend or her customer, but not both. Much later, her boyfriend insisted that she had to dump me even though we were just friends or I was just her customer. She claimed that she was willing to refuse her boyfriend's demand, but if I made him that angry it seemed reasonable (to me) that ties had to be cut. Of course, her relationship with her boyfriend ended even though I was out of the picture. But, our paths continued to cross after her relationship with her boyfriend was over. In response to her telling me that I couldn't be both a friend and a customer, I have always chosen to be a customer and let the chips fall wherever. I don't want a normal relationship and she needs to find a better quality man i.e. much younger and more money and more attractive. So, I consider her to be a friend, but apparently there are rules against that, but even if she was family I doubt that I would do more. I'm not built or raised to give away money or have it taken---yeah, I will payoff within budget but that is supposed to be a serious no no. I just see it as bowing to a foe that has more power or a better position.

    Anyway, I don't want to identify the alleged crime because that probably would be too much information and there hasn't even been an arraignment. As I said, I don't even think the government will proceed. I will call her public defender again to see if I'm being overly optimistic. Also, I don't see the relevance of her alleged crime as far as getting first hand type information about bailbondspersons. My friends who have given me their experiences are all extremely negative. But, they are a different class of people----she, should be totally unimportant to the government. Now, in the back of my mind I'm thinking she might just be a pawn in that a boyfriend or family member could be important. Her friends walked. My friends advised me to walk. The more I've learned the more it seems that walking would have been more beneficial to her. And, I have told her that I will walk if the government continues to be aggressive. I will take my losses and move on.

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    hahah.... ok, guess i wont read this since its written "to Katrine" oh please... grow up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudreyLeigh View Post
    I dont think youre the "bad guy" I just dont understand a damn thing youve written. Youre letting her sit and rot in jail. ok, and she says to let her, ummm ok? I really have no clue whats really going on because there are obviously missing parts of this story. It makes no damn sense. If you want to get her out of jail you already would have, if you dont want to spend the money to get her out then dont. End of story.

    Understand, that I don't have an endless supply of money to give away or have extorted away. Thus, as I wouldn't trust just any mechanic with my car, I wouldn't trust just any bailbondsperson with my friend's freedom and definitely not my collateral. Collateral? Oh yea, try and get that back thru what the courts???

    I guess the problem is that if you see the government as being good and honest, then there is no big deal in putting your hard earned money at risk. A lawyer once advised me that I had nothing to fear because under the law my alleged assets were protected. I asked the lawyer if his alleged assets were at risk would he trust a judge to follow the law? In short, he went from saying the law says this and the law says that to looking at the real situation. A judge can pretty much do whatever regardless of what the law says. Those who believe a law will definitely be followed by a judge or judges is just plain brain dead.

    Those who believe a law will definitely be followed by a judge or judges is just plain brain dead. It is worth repeating; again and again. I know very little about criminal law, but letting government keep people jailed for almost 3 weeks before even deciding whether the case will proceed doesn't seem very lawful.

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    How can you not see that the charge matters?

    If she is being charged for lewd dancing under some B.S. ordinance, then you would evoke a lot more sympathy from us, and we would certainly be more inclined to ask you to help her out.

    If she is being held on an alleged auto theft or check forgery racket, responses may vary.

    If she is being held for an assault, or other violent crime, then that's yet another ballpark.

    How is that TMI? We don't know you or this girl from Adam, and have no way to figure out who she is. Nor does anyone care to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle1111 View Post
    I know very little about criminal law, but letting government keep people jailed for almost 3 weeks before even deciding whether the case will proceed doesn't seem very lawful.
    You have very strong opinions for someone who admits to know so little. How difficult is it to do some legal research?

    Also, bail bondsmen are neither government nor the law. They are private, for profit individuals. Could you recover your deposit if your case gets dismissed? I don't know, go to a reputable firm, check the BBB, whatever.....

    How much money are you out of here? $1,000? That's not a small amount of money, I understand your concern.

    Also, I don't know of anyone who has had to sit in jail that long for a petty crime. Which leads me back to the original question, what is the nature of the allegation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudreyLeigh View Post
    hahah.... ok, guess i wont read this since its written "to Katrine" oh please... grow up.
    That last thing I want to do is grow up. If I was a grown-up, then I'd have some ugly woman around my age.

    No, I prefer to be a little boy and play with hot young strippers. Unfortunately, sometimes hot young strippers get into trouble because of their work environment. Usually, that ain't my problem. I paid my money for whatever services were purchased and that is that.

    Now, what if you met a hot young stripper who was actually a super nice person in real life. And, you knew her for years and years? And, then you saw she was getting screwed? The smart thing to do would be to walk. In fact, that is the grown-up thing to do. And, although I don't want to be a grown-up that is what I will probably do.

    And, if she was just a normal friend i.e. non-stripper, then I'd take the same course of action. Let the government do whatever it wants because you can't make a difference anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    You have very strong opinions for someone who admits to know so little. How difficult is it to do some legal research?

    Also, bail bondsmen are neither government nor the law. They are private, for profit individuals. Could you recover your deposit if your case gets dismissed? I don't know, go to a reputable firm, check the BBB, whatever.....

    How much money are you out of here? $1,000? That's not a small amount of money, I understand your concern.

    Also, I don't know of anyone who has had to sit in jail that long for a petty crime. Which leads me back to the original question, what is the nature of the allegation?
    Actually, I'm fairly good a doing legal research and I have experience in civil cases. Not only experience, but the opinions and advice of lawyers who are highly rated with decades of experience. The law, whether case or statutory is worth nothing. Actually, less than nothing because you and the attorney are tempted to rely on that law to your potentially huge financial liability. And, the law can even be extremely clear cut with multiple lawyers basically telling you it is an easy case based on well settled law, etc. However, the real question you need to ask a lawyer who goes on and on about his legal opinion is how certain is he that the judge will follow the law? Is he sure enough to put his entire fee at risk?

    I'm not that concerned with a $1,000. I'm concerned with all the problems that can lead to. In an honest system there wouldn't be a whole lot to fear. This ain't no honest system.

    Let me clarify. I'm not willing to give away $1,000 so that she can avoid 3 weeks of rotting in jail. I am willing to give away $1,000 if the government is actually going to go to trial against her because that might take forever i.e. months and months. But, I'm not willing to put up collateral because I don't trust the system. Yeah, in some people's view the bondperson ain't part of the system and it is easy to see where they're getting that view . . . I don't share it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle1111 View Post
    Let me clarify. I'm not willing to give away $1,000 so that she can avoid 3 weeks of rotting in jail. I am willing to give away $1,000 if the government is actually going to go to trial against her because that might take forever i.e. months and months.
    Of course theres going to be a trial - unless she pleads guilty to the charges. By now if it was all BS charges she would have been out of jail. So go pay the damn grand to get her out or dont. Im not getting what the exact question is. And bail bondsmen are private entities -

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudreyLeigh View Post
    Of course theres going to be a trial - unless she pleads guilty to the charges. By now if it was all BS charges she would have been out of jail. So go pay the damn grand to get her out or dont. Im not getting what the exact question is. And bail bondsmen are private entities -

    Well, I think you're wrong. But, then again I could be wrong. In any event we will know hopefully on the 22nd.

    Oh, big deal bondsmen are private entities. And, the Federal Reserve is a bunch of private banks. So what?

    And, it is highly unlikely that there will be a trial even if the government decides to hold her. HIGHLY UNLIKELY. No, there are very few real trials because it is almost always smarter to accept a plea deal---innocent or guilty.

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    OK Im wrong - its a giant conspiracy.

    Dude - if youre going to argue with everything written why dont you go to a LAWYERS forum and talk to people who may actually be able to help you because none of this has to do with dancing other than where she was arrested so without details were of 0% help to you.
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    I don't know about anyone else, but $1000 seems like a small price to help a friend who happens to be innocent, as you've stated. You also said that she's a good person, willing to help others... You seem to believe that buying her 3 weeks isn't worth a grand. Do you have any clue what jail can be like? All I can say is hope you never find out...

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    It isn't a legal question. It is a question for dancers (or even prostitutes) who have been involved with the process here in South Florida. It was a long shot. My dancer buddy hanging out in jail should know a lot about getting bails for people and who can be trusted and etc. Unfortunately, she doesn't evaluate a situation like that. If her friends or family need help, then she signs whatever needs to be signed.

    Like she said to me: If my family or friends need help, then you know that I'm not worried about money and whether the bondsman can be trusted or any of that bs. I just want them out of jail immediately and will do whatever it takes. She speaks the truth; unfortunately.

    Her dancer buddies know to avoid the system as much as possible. At this point, I don't think they even remember her name. Now, if she gets out of jail, then I do think her friends will provide real help. I don't know that, but it is my very strong belief. Heck, even my friends would probably be willing to help her if she gets out of jail.

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