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    Young female beggar -- why the hell doesn't she think to strip??

    Over two years ago, I was walking through center city past the now-closed Strawbridge & Clothier department store. There were bums here and there as always in Philly. I happened to notice one "bum" in particular. It was a young girl, glasses, ponytail, sitting down on the cold ground with her legs propped up, reading a book. A cardboard sign next to her read in big black letters, "I am 18 and HOMELESS. Please help" or something like that. Now I could be wrong, but she didn't look dirty or cracked-out like most bums you see. Perhaps she was a victim of abuse, or got kicked out of her house as soon as she turned 18, etc. She didn't look like a "faker" or someone that was doing real well either.

    I remember thinking: "Her state is pathetic. Why don't she consider dancing so that she can make enough money to get off the cold streets?" It must be hard to get a job when you're young and lack ample job experience, ESPECIALLY if you don't have a residence. But strip clubs tend to hire people on-the-spot, as long as you are cute, friendly, not terribly shy or scared of the club, and have a valid ID.

    But of course I was way too shy to go approach her and suggest the idea of dancing...

    Now a few days ago, I was walking through center city again and who do I see near Strawbridge & Clothier again?...presumably the same girl! Well if it wasn't the same girl, this girl looked and carried herself similarly. Girl with a blue winter coat, ponytail, glasses, this time staring down at the ground solemnly without a book to read. Looked a few years older, maybe slightly heavier. I noticed a sign next to her, but I didn't bother to read it.

    To be honest, I was frustrated! I know that sounds horrible and mean. Here she is, sitting on the street, wasting away her life, when she could probably somewhat easily find a job at a strip club or another bar and try to make a new life for herself. I'm not angry that she's working for handouts/change, I'm frustrated for HER, because I see her as kinda throwing away her life. It annoys me more than ever when I see people being spineless, letting life sling shit at them but remaining very passive, not doing much for themselves. I thought MY life situation was bad around the time I decided to start dancing(didn't have money to pay my college tuition bill, was staying with a friend until I could make enough money for myself, had credit card debt), but my situation wasn't NEARLY as bad as hers probably is(assuming that she's really "homeless" and not just an "actor").

    I wonder if perhaps some of the homeless/destitute females DON'T dance because they consider it "immoral"/"undignifying"/etc etc etc ...despite living a VERY undignified life struggling on the streets in filth and cold? I'm really starting to wonder that, especially after a comment I read on another site. But that view doesn't make sense to me at all! What do you guys think? Also, if you guys saw a young female non-ugly beggar, would you think to suggest dancing to her, or is that a really bad idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhillyDancer1982 View Post
    I wonder if perhaps some of the homeless/destitute females DON'T dance because they consider it "immoral"/"undignifying"/etc etc etc ...despite living a VERY undignified life struggling on the streets in filth and cold? I'm really starting to wonder that, especially after a comment I read on another site. But that view doesn't make sense to me at all! What do you guys think? Also, if you guys saw a young female non-ugly beggar, would you think to suggest dancing to her, or is that a really bad idea?
    It's because she's lazy. Or maybe has really bad BO. LOL

    Seriously, I'll put it nicely, no pretty young thing needs to be broke & homeless. We're all sitting on goldmines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmaxine View Post
    It's because she's lazy. Or maybe has really bad BO. LOL

    Seriously, I'll put it nicely, no pretty young thing needs to be broke & homeless. We're all sitting on goldmines.
    But do you think she realizes that she CAN do better? Do you think she realizes that strip clubs aren't nearly as bad as the hype? I mean, there was a time when I was broke and threatened my at-time thief-of-a-roommate that I would start stripping if he couldn't pay his share of the rent, but in reality I was all-talk...back then, I woulda never had the courage to actually check out a club or try it out. As a result, my money problems continued just as her homelessness/vagrancy has continued. I fully understand that my problems of "roommate stealing money" aren't nearly as bad as having nowhere to live, but the point is...I too had disregarded the idea of seriously stripping, mostly because I didn't know much about it and I was hoping that things would get better on its own so that I wouldn't have to delve into such a "scary"(in reality, unknown) profession.

    Hmmm on second thought, maybe she's just kinda dumb. Maybe she's dumb/naive enough to think that steering clear of so-called "immoral vices" like stripping, but getting a min wage job at Wal-Mart, will actually help her in her life. Ha yeah right. In reality nobody cares about helping you, especially not some corner-cutting min wage job like
    Wal-Mart...hence stripping being a good idea, because it allows you to earn money to help yourself.

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    Default Re: Young female beggar -- why the hell doesn't she think to strip??

    Perhaps she has a mental disability? That could prevent her from getting any job, dancing or otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmaxine View Post
    It's because she's lazy. Or maybe has really bad BO. LOL
    LOL! At the expense of derailing my own thread -- haha -- I remember there was a time where they hired this kinda dorky girl at my old club, and apparently she had BO because the female manager made her take a shower. I think the reason the female manager even bothered to hire her was because she felt sorry for her, or perhaps it was because she needed a target to laugh at(this manager was malicious that way sometimes). Either way, the new dorky girl didn't last long at all before they found some kind of a reason to fire her...

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    a month before i started dancing, i had a job at a hospital but was only making $10 an hour. that was barely enough to cover rent, my car payment, car insurance and still be able to eat. i was going to get a job as a waitress and work 20 more hours a week, on top of the 40 i already was. until someone mentioned dancing to me. i had never even thought about it, until then.

    maybe she's never thought about dancing. i would mention it to her.

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    I see people like that and wonder the same thing. Maybe they just don't know about it and the potential income it can bring, maybe they have a problem with transportation, confidence issues, or whatnot. I would much rather dance at any dive than be homeless begging on the streets. And in my opinion, there's no reason a beautiful young lady should be homeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinatalie View Post
    Perhaps she has a mental disability? That could prevent her from getting any job, dancing or otherwise.
    Hmmm that is true too. But would someone that's mentally disabled be quietly sitting on the ground and reading a novel? (unless perhaps she was autistic...but if that were the case, would she even bother to put up a sign asking for help? most autistic people are more reclusive than that, aren't they?)

    I guess anything's a possility. I was thinking more in terms of the girl not realizing how great stripping can be(decent money, flexible hours, instant cash, not as bad as it's made out to be by the media, etc), or not knowing that such an option existed.

    I mean, I was never told about stripping back when I was 18 or 19 and coulda used the extra money. In fact, I didn't even think of possibly stripping for money until I was 20(but at that time, I was still all-talk...didn't have the courage yet) and a few of my very studious, top-of-the-class, premed/prelaw classmates were talking about how much respect they have for strippers that use stripping as a way to pay their way through grad/professional school without having to take out loans or end up in poverty along the way. That's when I realized how dumb I looked to have been complaining only a few minutes earlier about the min wage cashier job that had screwed me over, which I had worked because I wasn't able to find a higher paying job and/or something related to my major. Even the most studious girls in my class considered strippers to be more respectable than min wage ice cream scoopers! So perhaps some people are not made aware of stripping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alisha101 View Post
    a month before i started dancing, i had a job at a hospital but was only making $10 an hour. that was barely enough to cover rent, my car payment, car insurance and still be able to eat. i was going to get a job as a waitress and work 20 more hours a week, on top of the 40 i already was. until someone mentioned dancing to me. i had never even thought about it, until then.

    maybe she's never thought about dancing. i would mention it to her.
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    I see people like that and wonder the same thing. Maybe they just don't know about it and the potential income it can bring, maybe they have a problem with transportation, confidence issues, or whatnot. I would much rather dance at any dive than be homeless begging on the streets. And in my opinion, there's no reason a beautiful young lady should be homeless.
    That's exactly what I'm saying!! Perhaps she is unaware of it.

    Perhaps if I'm feeling courageous and looking for a new challenge, I will suggest it to her if I ever walk by her again downtown? I doubt I'd get a good reaction -- why would someone trust a total stranger telling them to do something that is sexual-related and somewhat stigmatized by society? -- but hey, I guess anything's possible...

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    Some women-- perhaps even most women-- find the idea of getting naked for unknown men to be quite degrading. Some women would rather be homeless, perhaps even dead (these women probably don't comprise the majority of the population, but I am pretty sure they exist). Think about all the people who were upset to find out you (not just you, PD1982, but any of us) stripped-- or would have been upset if you had told them. Most of those individuals would not consider stripping. Like, they just don't even think of it as an option. It is, in part, what keeps this as a relatively high-paying gig.

    I'd also like to add that some people are voluntarily homeless. I think, but am not certain, that most voluntarily homeless people are young people. I mean, I was one, though I never panhandled. I dated one who was really into the Rainbow Family thing, and pretty much refused to work, preferring to, you know, ask the universe for what he wanted. No snark, no lie. It helped of course that he dated a Trustafarian girl (me) to keep him fed, housed, clothed and well-traveled. Ah, live and learn, I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhillyDancer1982 View Post
    Hmmm that is true too. But would someone that's mentally disabled be quietly sitting on the ground and reading a novel? (unless perhaps she was autistic...but if that were the case, would she even bother to put up a sign asking for help? most autistic people are more reclusive than that, aren't they?)
    no. not necessarily. i work with children with autism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhillyDancer1982 View Post
    That's exactly what I'm saying!! Perhaps she is unaware of it.

    Perhaps if I'm feeling courageous and looking for a new challenge, I will suggest it to her if I ever walk by her again downtown? I doubt I'd get a good reaction -- why would someone trust a total stranger telling them to do something that is sexual-related and somewhat stigmatized by society? -- but hey, I guess anything's possible...
    if nothing else at least she's aware of it. it took me 3 weeks from the time someone mentioned it to me before i actually started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhillyDancer1982 View Post
    (unless perhaps she was autistic...but if that were the case, would she even bother to put up a sign asking for help? most autistic people are more reclusive than that, aren't they?)
    I'm on the autistic spectrum, and I dance nekkid for money.

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    I've worked with the poor before, and I was surprised about a couple of things. Many didn't know about many of the programs available to help them, and when they did knew about educational programs (loans/grants), they thought they were for other people (rich people in their mind). It's like they live their whole life being outcasts and thinking they are worthless. The world keeps telling them they can't have anything--eventually they believe it.

    Maybe this girl came from an abusive house where her parents told her she was worthless and would never amount to anything. If that's all she heard her whole life, she probably believes it. The reason she doesn't think about stripping is that strippers are beautiful--not a worthless piece of dirt like her (as her parents have told her so many times). Why bother applying for a job? No one will hire her because she's a moron (as her parents have told her so many times). and so on. In her mind, she may think she's worthless and it is incomprehensible that she can better herself.

    I understand the frustration when you see someone who can so easily better themselves. But she doesn't have your mental state to pull herself up by her bootstraps. It's really sad. Sometimes it's just a matter of getting them to take the first steps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by britt244 View Post
    no. not necessarily. i work with children with autism.
    Okay. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for keeping me informed.

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    Sorry, I don't see how anybody could be voluntarily homeless unless they were clearly delusional/ mentally ill or on heavy drugs. I could only imagine sleeping to the sounds of traffic, eating ketchup packets and washing clothes in public restrooms.. I would gladly take my clothes off for money to avoid any of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AznExtasy View Post
    Sorry, I don't see how anybody could be voluntarily homeless unless they were clearly delusional/ mentally ill or on heavy drugs. I could only imagine sleeping to the sounds of traffic, eating ketchup packets and washing clothes in public restrooms.. I would gladly take my clothes off for money to avoid any of that.
    I agree! I gotta run soon, but remind me to tell you all about Duct Tape Feet, the nickname given to a homeless woman in my friend's town of Wilmington, DE. Actually...I will tell you now.

    They call her Duct Tape Feet because she is an old woman who spends her day walking ALL AROUND Wilmington, DE and its surrounding suburbs, and riding busses every single day. But get this...instead of wearing shoes, she wraps her feet up in layers of silver duct tape!! Sometimes you will catch her on a bus, reading a newspaper. Apparently if you try to talk to her, she will snap out at you and mutter "freakin' crazy." She is famous(or is it infamous?) around Wilmington...so "famous" in fact, that my guy friend's coworker was Duct Tape Shoes for a Halloween costume party one year! LOL.(sorry to laugh at someone's misery, but admittedly it is kinda funny)

    Earlier today, my guy friend told me that his coworkers were talking all about Duct Tape Feet today. Duct Tape Feet has been homeless and roaming around with duct tape on her feet for nearly 20 yrs now, but 10 yrs ago, her and her sister received $250,000 each from their father's inheritance. The lawyers and state were hesitant to give it to Duct Tape Feet, considering her homelessness and seeming lack of mental stability, so they gave her a psych evaluation first. Despite being completely bonkers, she managed to pass the psych exam, but within a month, had given away all her money and continued to roam around homeless. It is a real puzzle to figure out why, but perhaps the most common answer would be "mental illness."

    Sorry to threadjack my own thread again lol...just had to share that story.

    EDIT: Duct Tape Feet is written about on other sites too! Just found this one. Look for the 3rd post on the page by "Candle":

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    Some women just don't have it in them, understandably. Not anybody can go into a club, strip, and make it work - thank goodness for that! There could be an assortment of reasons that she's not stripping. As you suggested, she may have been abused which may make it hard for her to resort to a job like dancing. Who knows, she may have even tried out dancing and just wasn't cut out for it.

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    Maybe she isn't really homeless?

    When I went to school in Chicago I frequented a used book store on Michigan Ave. The owner and I would talk sometimes. I mentioned to him how much I was surprised by the number of homeless people. He said " Dont let them fool you. They used to come in here to get change three times a day. Many of them make over a hundred dollars a day pan handling."

    When I lived in Indiana there was a bag lady I always saw around town. She carried so much junk on her bike and dressed in what looked like goodwill clothes. As much as I saw her I assumed she was homeless. Well one day I was looking in the paper and saw a picture of her. Turns out she was a millionare. The city was forcing her to clean up her house. She sued the city and ran for mayor to change the laws lol. She didnt win but that was a total shock.

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    ^Indeed there are those fake homeless people. They are just too lazy to work so they beg for money instead. Maybe they also do drugs and can't hold down a job. And considering how some girls strip all night for less than 100 bucks, or just to break even, begging on the streets really doesn't sound so bad by comparison. She probably has some dude that lets her crash at his place. He probably sends her out to beg for some money to support thier habits.

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    There's a million reasons. Maybe she desn't have an ID. it's pretty hard to get an ID when no address, isn't it? Maybs she doesn't have it in her to strip. You know this job isn't for everyone. Maybe the idea just never occured to her. I was homeless before, and the thought to go strip never occured to me. I had never been in a strip club before, and the idea just never crossed my mind, and nobody ever suiggested it. But if they had..I would have said, I'm not cut out for that, I could never do it.
    I was wrong, of course, but I didn't know that until a few years later.

    I don't think it's right to assume she is lazy simply because she isn't striping.

    Also to concider...stripping does take an initial investmet. Where would she get the money to buy an outfit and shoes, and the proper lisencing if nesessary? Maybe she can' afford to star stripping.

    I think it's very judgemental to assume thigns when yuo don't have the whole story tho. Maybe she has a mental illness..there aer so many possibilites.

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    Yeah, I thought about that too. No ID/not of age to dance/can't afford the gear/has no way to primp to dance/etc. There's way too many possibilities to judge and assume why she's not dancing.

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    Yep, there are people who panhandle for a living in NorCal. They make a living wage on it!

    I worked with a girl who went to San Francisco to buy her prom dress (we lived in the sticks- if you want nice things you have to go to the city to get them.) Anyway, a "homeless" woman approached her. The girl said she was so sorry but she didn't have any money to give her as she spent all her cash on the trip and had put the dress on a credit card.

    Ten minutes later, the girl drove away from where the "homeless" lady accosted her- to see the same lady taking off her grubby clothes and get into a nice car!

    I fucking hate that. I'd rather steal than beg. Faking neediness hurts the truly needy and the kind people who get taken advantage of....

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    Through our synagogue up north, we volunteered a few times to take a meal to a homeless shelter and one time, we sat and ate dinner with the homeless. It was really sad to hear their stories but the shelter would help them find jobs. And there are many services that do provide people with help. I think it's kind of strange that she has been homeless for years when there are resources that she could use to help her get off the street.

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    i have thought about this some more, and I agree with some of the other sentiments posted here. many women would react the same way if you asked them if they'd considered stripping as if you had asked them if they considered porn or prostitution. And many women would be completely adverse to all three the same. keep that in mind if you think about bringing it up to her!

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