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    Well, I wasn't talking about "bad" associations with strippers per se; more an extremely strong inappropriate association. Like you can have a bad lapdance and still enjoy the next one without analogizing it to the first in any particular way; I think it would be harder to enjoy a lapdance and not analogize it with your stripper daughter.

    For the rest - interesting perspective. Like why doesn't the explicit or implicit knowledge he has that his daughter has sex have the same effect? I would suggest that there is a consumerist function at work there. Whereas sex is something that everyone (pretty much) has, the consumer aspect of sex is a little more specialized. Not to mention that we have, in this society, a strong tendency to associate people with their jobs.

    Finally - I was engaging with Chris Rock's construction, not, like, my own. Don't get the wrong idea. And I'm pretty sure he was joking - being a comic and all. So I'm not wound up about it. I'm just a close reading addict. So I take it seriously enough to to examine but not seriously enough to get mad. Although - funny story. I was talking to The Roommate about this and she said "I don't think you'd feel much better about it if he was saying that women had failed as mothers because their daughters were dancing." And I said the same thing: "Well; I'm pretty sure he's joking. I am aware that Chris Rock is a comedian and makes jokes." Her response: "Okay - traditionally? That does not stop you from getting upset about things. So don't talk to me like I'm crazy."
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    I had a customer once become very obsessed by the idea of his daughter dancing. Sometimes I think I age too 'daughterly' around men my dad's age...not that it's in a gross way, but I might accidently slip into 'conversations about my schooling and life plans with father figures' type persona. It happens mostly when they start talking about their daughter my age, who goes to my school (I'm better now at not letting conversations go this way, but I still slip up).

    Anyway, this guy was like stuck in his own paradox of 'oh, I really appreciate this here, what you're doing for me...what entertainment! But, you know, if my own daughter did this, man...I mean, she's an adult and I want her to make her own decisions...If she were safe and happy, that's fine, but so long as I never knew about it...Oh man, if I knew about it, I dunno!! She's not bad-- I mean, you're not a bad girl, I can respect what you're doing here...But does your father know?! No, no of course he doesn't...Just never tell him, okay? It's better for dads not to know these things'.

    It was confusing and weird to hear that rambling monologue for the whole duration of our dances. Kind of funny too...he was just *so* conflicted.

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    Because any man, be it father or husband, is considered a "failure" when his property becomes a whore, and thus devalued. Its an age-old belief. As long as sex-workers will be considered inferior characters by society at large, the belief will exist. Maternal dissapointment doesn't count as much because the mother is also a subjegate of the father.

    That being said, I love Chris Rock. And my father is a failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Well, I wasn't talking about "bad" associations with strippers per se; more an extremely strong inappropriate association. Like you can have a bad lapdance and still enjoy the next one without analogizing it to the first in any particular way; I think it would be harder to enjoy a lapdance and not analogize it with your stripper daughter.
    That makes sense.

    For the rest - interesting perspective. Like why doesn't the explicit or implicit knowledge he has that his daughter has sex have the same effect? I would suggest that there is a consumerist function at work there. Whereas sex is something that everyone (pretty much) has, the consumer aspect of sex is a little more specialized. Not to mention that we have, in this society, a strong tendency to associate people with their jobs.
    I think it's from the same source-daughters as 'property', the little girl you give away at a wedding, that sort of thing. To me, that whole thing is creepy! Though stripper is sex to the millionth power in a lot of people's heads and involves that other terrifying thing-money! I do see your POV.

    Finally - I was engaging with Chris Rock's construction, not, like, my own. Don't get the wrong idea. And I'm pretty sure he was joking - being a comic and all. So I'm not wound up about it. I'm just a close reading addict. So I take it seriously enough to to examine but not seriously enough to get mad. Although - funny story. I was talking to The Roommate about this and she said "I don't think you'd feel much better about it if he was saying that women had failed as mothers because their daughters were dancing." And I said the same thing: "Well; I'm pretty sure he's joking. I am aware that Chris Rock is a comedian and makes jokes." Her response: "Okay - traditionally? That does not stop you from getting upset about things. So don't talk to me like I'm crazy."
    Glad I'm not the only person who has these sort of convos.

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    Default Re: Chris Rock On Strippers

    i actually find most of this shit quite banal and insulting.

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