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    The 911 tapes of the attack have been released....

    Turns out that nobody from the Zoo believed the boys that a lion had excaped and attacked their brother!

    Actually, the Zoo said they were acting weird and cracked out from drugs!



    "This boy is very agitated. Like he's on drugs"

    Well no shit he's agitated, a 10 ft tiger killed his brother...

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    Wow. I do NOT want to go to the zoo .

    On a serious note, how in the hell could those 3 kids provoke the tiger into jumping over an insufficient enclosure to attack them? I hope they sue the zoo. I love how the zoo is blaming the victim. I'd be fucking agitated too if I got attacked by a tiger.

    So sad for both the kids and the tiger
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    That is seriously so scary!!



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    They have their cell phone and car as evidence? Because those things annoyed the tiger? Whether or not they 'provoked' the tiger (Which I'd imagine is pretty easy-it lives in a zoo to be stared at all day), it shouldn't have been able to jump over the fence! That's so terrifying.

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    Big difference between a lion and a tiger.

    I read there was a shoe print on the rail. If one of the guys was hanging over the wall bothering the tiger, then she could have used his body to help climb up. And if he was doing that, then he totally deserved to be mauled.

    The tiger should not have been killed. She did nothing but what she was supposed to do.

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    Interestingly enought - just a week after that a Leopard got loose at the Sacramento Zoo... luckily no one was hurt.

    Quote Originally Posted by RoseLeigh
    [Whether or not they 'provoked' the tiger (Which I'd imagine is pretty easy-it lives in a zoo to be stared at all day), it shouldn't have been able to jump over the fence! That's so terrifying.
    My thoughts exactly. Yet everytime I mention this to people they have to start an argument.

    I didnt read about a shoeprint but I did read that the tiger had wear on the back claws as if it had tried to get over the wall previously. Ive also heard that some people are claiming the kids brought slabs of meat to the zoo. That just sounds weird to me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    The tiger should not have been killed. She did nothing but what she was supposed to do.
    Well, I could see saying she shouldn't have been in a zoo in the first place...but a tiger killing people in an urban centre should be killed. You don't just let the tiger keep mauling, all like "but that's what tigers do!"

    What a horrifying story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    Big difference between a lion and a tiger.

    I read there was a shoe print on the rail. If one of the guys was hanging over the wall bothering the tiger, then she could have used his body to help climb up. And if he was doing that, then he totally deserved to be mauled.

    The tiger should not have been killed. She did nothing but what she was supposed to do.
    After reading the article, it mentioned that the fence is 4ft shorter than it's RECOMMENDATION. So IMO had the fence met at least the minimum requirements then the tiger shouldn't have gotten out at all.

    This is so tragic.







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    They could have shot her with a dart and taken her down just as easily without killing her, and moved her somewhere more safe. There's just this mentality that we must kill an animal that has killed a person, like it's some damaged mankiller that must be destroyed. They were even going to kill the tiger that mauled the Seigfried & Roy guy, after the fact when it was no longer upset. I don't agree with that mentality at all. It doesn't deserve the death penalty just for being a tiger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudreyLeigh View Post
    Interestingly enought - just a week after that a Leopard got loose at the Sacramento Zoo... luckily no one was hurt.

    My thoughts exactly. Yet everytime I mention this to people they have to start an argument.

    I didnt read about a shoeprint but I did read that the tiger had wear on the back claws as if it had tried to get over the wall previously. Ive also heard that some people are claiming the kids brought slabs of meat to the zoo. That just sounds weird to me...
    That does sound weird. You can't bring a soda into most places, much less a slab of meat. It could have happened, but the point is that the tiger wasn't properly fenced AND that they didn't believe them! If someone even suggests there's a bomb or a hostage the world grinds to a stop, but a kid yelling about tigers in a zoo...well, that's madness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    They could have shot her with a dart and taken her down just as easily without killing her, and moved her somewhere more safe. There's just this mentality that we must kill an animal that has killed a person, like it's some damaged mankiller that must be destroyed. They were even going to kill the tiger that mauled the Seigfried & Roy guy, after the fact when it was no longer upset. I don't agree with that mentality at all. It doesn't deserve the death penalty just for being a tiger.
    Problem is - zoo didnt know what was going (or didnt believe it) so they didnt have any darts readily available to stop the mauling. All the city cops had were their guns and they used what they had.

    I agree its very sad that the animal died doing what animals do.

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    True enough. I guess it just upsets me. There are not enough tigers in the world, and way too many dipshit young males, so the death of the tiger bothers me more in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    They could have shot her with a dart and taken her down just as easily without killing her, and moved her somewhere more safe. There's just this mentality that we must kill an animal that has killed a person, like it's some damaged mankiller that must be destroyed. They were even going to kill the tiger that mauled the Seigfried & Roy guy, after the fact when it was no longer upset. I don't agree with that mentality at all. It doesn't deserve the death penalty just for being a tiger.
    I agree. This is why most zoos and all circuses piss me off. They dont bother to follow MINIMUM requirements to keep both the animals and the public safe...then when something happens...its all the animals fault when it was just doing what it is supposed to do instictually.


    Around here a few years ago a tiger was shot and killed. The guy that played Tarzan(I for get his name) keeps them...rescues them. Has all the right permits...and takes outstanding care in rehasbilitating cubs that have been abandoned or tigers that have been abused in other places. One day one got out. Freak thing. He'd had this tiger since it was a cub and was VERY close to it. They found it a few blocks away...had done no damage, or hurt anyone. It was lying in a bush asleep. The cop, instead of staying his dumb ass in the car and calling animal control or Tarzan(who had a tranq gun ready) got out and shot it dead. He claimed that his life was in danger because of the nature of the animal. And he GOT AWAY WITH IT. Tell me how your life is ion fucking danger from a SLEEPING animal when you are in a locked car????

    People are fucking stupid. There is a drive through safari here. They had to erect a fence around the lion enclosure because people were getting OUT OF THEIR CARS to take pictures of the cats. Even though there are signs everywhere saying keep yopur windows rolled up and your doors locked...they dont even allow convertables.

    If the kid was taunting the cat...I agree it was his own fault he got mauled. Yes, the zoo is at fault too if the enclosure wasnt big enough..but if the kid climbed that high...whos to say he wouldnt have climbed 4 more feet and fell in or something? I think BOTH parties need to take responsibility for this. The only one innocent is the tiger...which of course..was the only one punished

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    Its one thing to shoot a tiger while its in the midst of mauling someone and completely different when its sleeping in a bush. THAT is fucked up.

    Ive yet to hear anywhere (except here) that the kid climbed up the fence.... all I heard about climbing up the enclosures it they said it looked like the cat had tried to do it before but nothing about the kid.

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    Tigers are extremely smart animals. They are the biggest cats in the world. Although not natural climbers like the leopard, they can jump very high and far. They are amazing creatures, and almost extinct in the wild.

    If they hadn't killed the tiger, there would be too much political pressure to do so. Unfortunately. Also, they say that once big cats begin to attack humans, they are prone to doing so again. I can't confirm the validity of that statement.

    I love big cats so much, but they are strong and wild. We must respect them and take the appropriate actions to keep us both safe.

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    The 911 call captured the conversation between the two employees.

    "I don't know if they are on drugs or not," the woman is overheard speaking on his two-way radio. "They are screaming about an animal that has attacked them and there isn't an animal out. He is talking about a third person, but I don't see a third person."

    The man then tries to relay her remarks, when the female employee interjects: "He is saying he got attacked by a lion." The man is heard on the 911 call, saying, "That is virtually impossible. ... I can't imagine how he could have possibly gotten attacked by a lion. He would have had to have gotten in. I just can't see it."

    "I think this guy is on something. He is really agitated," the woman says.



    Really, can you imagine if nobody believed you that your brother was just attacked by a lion?

    What the fuck is up with 911 operators? This is not the first one they botched.

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    This isnt the first time this tiger has attacked. THey should have known the FIRST time that the enclosure wasnt good enough:

    "On Dec. 22, 2006, Tatiana reached through the bars of her cage and grabbed a keeper, biting and mauling one of the woman's arms and causing deep lacerations. The zoo's Lion House was temporarily closed during an investigation."


    You are right..I dont see anywhere that the kid climbed up. I'm not sure where that info came from. They are speculating that the kids taunted and possibly even put a board into the moat helping the tiger escape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    This isnt the first time this tiger has attacked. THey should have known the FIRST time that the enclosure wasnt good enough:

    "On Dec. 22, 2006, Tatiana reached through the bars of her cage and grabbed a keeper, biting and mauling one of the woman's arms and causing deep lacerations. The zoo's Lion House was temporarily closed during an investigation."


    You are right..I dont see anywhere that the kid climbed up. I'm not sure where that info came from. They are speculating that the kids taunted and possibly even put a board into the moat helping the tiger escape.
    Yeah, I can see them carrying a board, some fresh meat and a grappling hook in. There should have been zoo staff around somewhere-they're trying to get out of the responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 242_fair View Post
    The 911 call captured the conversation between the two employees.

    "I don't know if they are on drugs or not," the woman is overheard speaking on his two-way radio. "They are screaming about an animal that has attacked them and there isn't an animal out. He is talking about a third person, but I don't see a third person."

    The man then tries to relay her remarks, when the female employee interjects: "He is saying he got attacked by a lion." The man is heard on the 911 call, saying, "That is virtually impossible. ... I can't imagine how he could have possibly gotten attacked by a lion. He would have had to have gotten in. I just can't see it."

    "I think this guy is on something. He is really agitated," the woman says.


    Really, can you imagine if nobody believed you that your brother was just attacked by a lion?

    What the fuck is up with 911 operators? This is not the first one they botched.
    Thats really terrible. I feel so bad for the guy. Wouldn't they rather have gotten there and found out he was on drugs then take their sweet time and go "ohh whoops he really was mauled by a tiger."


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    Quote Originally Posted by RoseLeigh View Post
    Yeah, I can see them carrying a board, some fresh meat and a grappling hook in. There should have been zoo staff around somewhere-they're trying to get out of the responsibility.
    Well...obviously the zoo is negligent. So if a board was lying nearby..it wouldnt be out of the question that the boys thought it was funny to stick it in the cage. Otherwise the tiger would have had to jump over a 15 foot moat and 20 foot high fence. Captive tigers dont have the stealth that wild tigers do to accomplish something like that. Plus...captive tigers are fed, which means they are frequently lazy since they dont need to hunt. 9 times out of 10 when a big captive cat attacks it has been provoked in some way.

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    Here, in Sacramento, the tigers are behind plexiglass - they can come right up to the glass (no moat) - maybe they should do that to prevent anything like this happening again. Theres no way anythings going to get a grip on that slick stuff to climb up it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    Well...obviously the zoo is negligent. So if a board was lying nearby..it wouldnt be out of the question that the boys thought it was funny to stick it in the cage. Otherwise the tiger would have had to jump over a 15 foot moat and 20 foot high fence. Captive tigers dont have the stealth that wild tigers do to accomplish something like that. Plus...captive tigers are fed, which means they are frequently lazy since they dont need to hunt. 9 times out of 10 when a big captive cat attacks it has been provoked in some way.
    That is true. I just hate when negligent folks try to put the blame on victims. Would a board hold a tiger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twisterinAZ View Post
    On a serious note, how in the hell could those 3 kids provoke the tiger into jumping over an insufficient enclosure to attack them?
    There have been a lot of rumors. Kid stepping over rail, slingshots, pine cones thrown, etc.. One witness said they were roaring at and annoying a lion before the tiger incident. The basic assumption is 3 young males going to a zoo must be up to no good. The wall at the tiger enclosure was at that height for 60 or 70 years without an incident so people assume they did something. Jack Hanna or someone said it would be a little risky jump for the tiger so the tiger would not have done it without a good reason. They found concrete in the back tiger claws.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    They could have shot her with a dart and taken her down just as easily without killing her.
    Darts take time. You can't dart a tiger attacking someone.


    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    This isnt the first time this tiger has attacked. THey should have known the FIRST time that the enclosure wasnt good enough:
    They fixed that problem, the tiger reaching through the bars. This time the tiger jumped over the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoseLeigh View Post
    Would a board hold a tiger?
    If the board was decently thick and the tiger was moving fast..sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by space_Cadet_28 View Post
    Darts take time. You can't dart a tiger attacking someone.
    True...tranq darts usually take 5-10 minutes to fully work on a tiger

    Quote Originally Posted by space_Cadet_28 View Post
    They fixed that problem, the tiger reaching through the bars. This time the tiger jumped over the wall.
    Obviously they didnt fix it well enough. The fence didnt meet the bare minimum requirements.

    I wonder...where were the people who were supposed to inspect these types of things and why werent they shut down until the fence was brought to code?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    If the board was decently thick and the tiger was moving fast..sure.
    They are pretty wily and fast, aren't they?

    Obviously they didnt fix it well enough. The fence didnt meet the bare minimum requirements.

    I wonder...where were the people who were supposed to inspect these types of things and why werent they shut down until the fence was brought to code?
    That's the main problem. I do think that there needs to be staff around as well, in case there was taunting, etc. Wild animals are wild, even if bred in captivity.

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