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    rubbing balls to sell dances? WTF?

    i'm not sure if this belongs in Hustle Hut, so please feel free to move it.

    ok, so some of you may know that i am at a new club and it's NOTHING like what i'm used to. my old club was stage only so i'm not used to having to hustle dances. last night was EXTREMELY SLOW!!! i'm talking about ZERO customers for long periods of time. yesterday i would say that at any given time, there were no more than 10 customers in the club at once (and that's being generous).

    well, a few days ago i was walking to the dressing room and passed by our private rooms...and i observed one of dancers (who i believe to be one of the top earners) rubbing some dude's crotch during a dance. she wasn't grinding him while she was dancing, either....they were both standing up and she was rubbing the SHIT out of his little friend...then last night i observed the same dancer fondling a custy's balls while on the floor. it was totally out in the open for EVERYONE to see. not in a private room, not in a VIP, not even in the fucking corner....in the middle of the club on one of the couches next to the bar. um...okay...that's not what i choose to do during MY dances, but if you do that while YOU'RE in a dance, that's really none of my business...but if you're doing it on the floor for everyone to see, that's just making it THAT much harder for me to get a sale. why would any of the customer's want a clean dance from a newbie when then they see you rubbing some dude down on the floor. they can only IMAGINE what they would get in a private room for $60+.

    question is: how do i overcome this obsticle? how do i convice guys to buy dances from me when they can SEE what the other girl has to offer??

    HELP ME, PLEASE!!!

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    You're right, it's gonna be hard as hell to compete with girls pullin that stuff. If you told a manager do you think they'd put a stop to it? If not, your best bet may be to dance elsewhere

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    You have to hold their attention and eye contact so they don't see what the other girls are doing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by vonniestarrr View Post
    why would any of the customer's want a clean dance from a newbie when then they see you rubbing some dude down on the floor.
    Well, this girl will probably always make more than you. I saw this at my last club. We had a club full of clean dancers with one or two dirty girls who banked. Part of my advice is to get used to it. Unless management is willing to speak to her about her behavior, then you have little to no recourse to get her to change. It's rare to find a club manager who cares about that sort of shit enough to enforce it. They consider it dancer-drama.

    You just stick to your guns. Make what you can make there or move clubs to see if you do better at another club. Good news is, not every customer wants some girl playing with their junk. In fact, some are repulsed by it. On slow nights, though it hurts to see *that* kind of dancer making the money. I hate hearing "no, I'm waiting for her" said about the dirtiest dancer. Too bad customers try to get the dirtiest dance for their buck. (almost can't blame them.) But again, good news, not every customer operates this way.
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    yeah i've seen dancers making out with customers, and me and the other girls will be like shit, we cant compete with that.

    i push my knees into my customers inner thighs while i'm dancing. it serves a lot of functions...helps me feel like im asserting dominance over them, puts tem in a more vulnerable position, spreads their legs so i can use them for balance/tricks, and makes them feel like i'm "touching" them. if theyre paying i might knee them in the balls, lucky them.. haha i dont put my hands near anybodys crotch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anelia View Post
    yeah i've seen dancers making out with customers, and me and the other girls will be like shit, we cant compete with that.

    i push my knees into my customers inner thighs while i'm dancing. it serves a lot of functions...helps me feel like im asserting dominance over them, puts tem in a more vulnerable position, spreads their legs so i can use them for balance/tricks, and makes them feel like i'm "touching" them. if theyre paying i might knee them in the balls, lucky them.. haha i dont put my hands near anybodys crotch.
    omygosh, custumers are always trying to kiss me.yuck!!!!!!!!!!!
    i tell them i dont like to kiss anyone
    i rather brush my hands across their pants than kisss..eeeewwwwwww

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    One of the top earners in my club does that. But just like a handshake or something. "Are you ready to take another shot?" *fondle* And her dances are certainly not clean, either. I don't think she's ever met a package she didn't want to ..get to know better?.. Of course, she's also a call girl outside of work, and I know she comes to the club to meet new clients. I hate it, cuz she's so pretty she doesn't have to sell pussy or grab balls or whatever, but it makes it so difficult to compete in a clean way!

    Also, there's a chick who is ALWAYS getting fined for making out with customers, and it's so fucking nasty! I can't imagine why on earth she does it, but it's so gross!

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    Quote Originally Posted by paintgoddess View Post
    Well, this girl will probably always make more than you.
    Sometimes...but not necessarily. This is only my observation, but there are dirty girls who also REALLY know how to hustle...and yes, they make more than I ever will. However, MOST extras girls are lazy and have no clue how to upsell and/or really milk someone out of all their money. The girls who give out hand jobs for the price of 2 lapdances aren't ever going to be the big-money girls who bank.

    If you don't want to go to another club, my suggestion would be to get better at picking your customers. Go for the ones who seem most responsive to YOU and what you're selling, and up your hustle so you get as much of their money as possible. Then you don't have to worry so much about how many custies are going for the extras girls, because you know that the custies who go for you are going to be cash cows.

    Quality over quantity might be your best bet. You can make $100 by selling 10 lapdances to 10 different custies...or by milking one good, qualified customer out of $100. Practice choosing your targets and hone your sense of who's going to be a valueable customer. That's one thing I've noticed that 99% of the girls that consistently bank do. They're amazing at choosing the right clientele to invest their time with.

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    Rubbing balls and making out with customers... bleck! That is disgusting. At one of my old clubs there used to be a girl who did the same thing. Other dancers made complaints about her to the manager but unfortunately they didn't do a damn thing about it. I ended up leaving the club eventually.

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    A manager will care if you get raided, but really it do esn't surprise me--there have been worstcases (my bestfriend has had a girl str8up give him a handjob on 1 before and well when I'm a customer at another club girls generally go all out 4 me no holds bar since there really aren't the same rules for other girls) and many times it's just accepted as part of the bizz.

    I'm not even going to pretend there are not/or have not been girls at my job who are willing do whatever for cheap---Still I'm a dancer who won't nomatter what the price is. Not that I have morals against it becuz like pot I think it should be legal it's just I'm a dyke and that's just something I couldn't bare to do.

    However alot of girls hate those girls and feel they can't make money against girls who are doing tricks and all I got to say is I charge more for less and it's all about marketing that you get what you pay for. Just becuz something is cheap doesn't mean it completes with the best of the best and really I believe I sell alot based on the thrill of the chase and the fact I'm pretty untouchible as in they just know they don't have a snowballs chance in hell with a woman like me--which just gives them even more reason to want to try. OK a few I would totally seduce if they were women, but since they are not they understand w/ me it never gets farther then alittle carried away in the hottness of the tease which really does it for me in someway when I have the right victom at my mercy.

    Anyhow you might feel you are losing out on money, but what you are really losing out on is cheap customers who deal w/ cheap tricks and probably spread disease soo why would you want to deal with them anyways.

    The customers I deal with are those that agree to my terms and have the money to afford the time and attention of a grade A dancer like myself .lol. My Visa Black/Amex Gold customers that do rooms with me and ask me out (incase I ever want to take them up on being a well kept thropy wife) can afford 20 of those girls ez, but they all comment to me about the fact that they are glad I don't mess around in the back-even with them and that when a girl gives a lapdance like that with them they wouldn't consider hitting that even is it was free and even then if they would they wouldn't keep coming back because they been there done that had it already.


    Anyways like I said before it's really all about how you market yourself 4get what the next girls makes and what she does and focus on yr game and you will see you will make more money without having to rub any1's balls.
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    There's a girl at my club who does this! No one can stand her! Anyone can grab a guy by the balls to get a dance but it takes talent and skill to entice them into the back with your wit, charm, etc.


    Not only is this girl annoying to the dancers but our customers too. 95% of the guys she tries to hustle complain about her.
    On a slow night she told a guy I was sitting with "I've been in the dressing room crying cause I'm not making any money but you can change all that!" WTF?

    It does gat annoying when extra girls are in the club but they usually don't hang around very long. And they usually don't have repeat clientelle which we have a lot of.

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    Pray the managers take care of this shit or the club may get busted.

    It's very hard to compete with extras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phairestofthemall View Post
    You're right, it's gonna be hard as hell to compete with girls pullin that stuff. If you told a manager do you think they'd put a stop to it? If not, your best bet may be to dance elsewhere
    Sounds like Little Darling's hasn't changed much. Steve's a nice guy, but don't expect him to do much about it. Most managers #1 goal is to get to their bonus check (which they need the dancers/club in general to reach a certain quota to get it). These managers simply cannot live off of their $10-12.75 an hour, so they really need that bonus check. Which is why the SF scene is so fucked up. Deja Vu's employee's are ridiculously underpaid. So if this girl is one of the clubs top earners, don't count on it stopping. If you can get the customer into a dance room and get some $$$ out of him, before he realizes others will do more... well, that's about the only strategy I can think of. Which means you may have to become somewhat of a "door troll". Ugh, it fucking blows but it works. At least it did for me while I was there a few years back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Jessica View Post
    Sounds like Little Darling's hasn't changed much. Steve's a nice guy, but don't expect him to do much about it. Most managers #1 goal is to get to their bonus check (which they need the dancers/club in general to reach a certain quota to get it). These managers simply cannot live off of their $10-12.75 an hour, so they really need that bonus check. Which is why the SF scene is so fucked up. Deja Vu's employee's are ridiculously underpaid. So if this girl is one of the clubs top earners, don't count on it stopping. If you can get the customer into a dance room and get some $$$ out of him, before he realizes others will do more... well, that's about the only strategy I can think of. Which means you may have to become somewhat of a "door troll". Ugh, it fucking blows but it works. At least it did for me while I was there a few years back.
    Oh that's sad. He's willing to let a dancer perform extras and run the risk of getting the club busted....and no respect for the dancers working when it goes down. I can't stand managers like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Jessica View Post
    you may have to become somewhat of a "door troll".
    Door troll.

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    From the other side of the fence....

    I think you'll get two broad sorts of views from guys. One sort will understand that it's a purely commercial transaction and that the girl doing the rubbing has a low opinion of him when out of earshot. However, they are addicted enough to keep coming in.

    The other sort of custie probably misunderstands dancers and thinks they like doing it. It's this sort of customer you might be able to do something about, particularly in conversation.

    I'd maybe be inclined to hint that many girls enjoy being naked (and admired), but fewer girls actually enjoy touching/being touched, particularly when the customer is not to their taste.

    I've always thought that guys like the belief that the dancer is enjoying what she's doing (as well as being paid for it). If you can plant the thought that being naked is enjoyable, touching/being touched is not, you might get fewer guys liking the ball rubbing.

    Spending your $$$$'s on a dancer you feel likes you is one thing, spending your $$$'s on a girl you think views you purely as a wallet to be emptied is another. Most guys will mentally justify their spending based on the first possibility, and feel used by the second.

    Just some thoughts....

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    seems like all you can do is stick to what you do. I spoke to a guy one night who had just been cursed out by a dancer. Some girls started giving him a hard time, like why are you here looking for a prostitute? He said well she grabbed my dick so i asked here if she had protection? He had gone to vip with one of the girls who were giving him shit earlier. She looked at him and was like you didn't ask me that shit. he said because i could tell not to go there with you but if she's grabbing my package i wanna know what's next???
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    when i worked in a club in england, heaps of the girls grinded the guys when they danced. i was the ONLY girl who didn't do it and i was one of the top earners. a lot of the guys would say to me ' i have seen your dances and i feel i'm not cheating on my wife if i get a dance off you'. stick to what you do best.
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    I guess in St.Louis girls are "slutty". It is a norm to see a girl to grab a guys package on the outside. You can also see girls making out w/ other dancers. St.louis is high mileage.

    It doesn't bother me. We are not providing extras like blow jobs or sex. Guys are also not allowed to grab your nipples or touch wear the thong is. I asked the director and he said it's not illegal to rub on the guy on the outside of his pants.

    It does seem to make a lot of money. Our dances are $40. On a Sat. night most of the girls make anywhere from 1,000 to 2,000. It is also not that hard to make 500 - 1000 on any given week night. 200 - 500 on week nights for girls who don't know how to hustle.

    That is not saying that girls don't have their bad nights here b/c it does happen. I guess the amount of money you are willing to make depends on your comfort level.

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    I've had quite a few custies come up to me after having endured the "crotch rub hustle" who actually COMPLAIN about this approach. They don't want strangers in their pants!

    So in my situation, I hold up because I know that not everyone is looking for this.

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    It doesn't get done to every single guy. You just have to know what your customer is like. All the customers are different. I know that.

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    Ugh, girls giving hand jobs over the pants is soooo common at my club. Sometimes I hate Texas!

    Yeah, you can still make money. But once it happens customers expectations are raised for good, so when a guys hands don't roam, it's actually a shock : /.

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