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    Who gives a rats ass whether or not someone else views strip clubs as 'sinful.' If you go and fuck around, making less of human beings you are a prick. If you don't but just enjoy yourself and have harmless fun, you are not. Who gets to decide what a sin is and what it isn't even within christianity? That shit's for god to do, if i recall it straight. 10 of those rules, of which only 5 deal with the physical world, do that just fine.

    Sides, if i was a christian i'd have to pick and choose, anyway. I like my shrimp too much. Find me a southern baptist that won't eat lobster! (All eating of shellfish is condemned in Leviticus, put on the same level as man on man assplay, both of which are called an "Abomination").

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahMike View Post
    Science and religion do not address the same questions, so they are completely compatible. Science answers when and what, religion answers Who and why.
    One of my intellectual heroes, Stephen Jay Gould, believed the same thing. Here's an essay by him that discusses that idea.

    If you're wondering why an atheist would point to a theist as an intellectual hero, then realize that I admired Dr. Gould for his reasoning and love of science. And baseball. Mostly science, though. His reason and passion for science did not interfere with his personal beliefs, as you can see from the above essay.
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    Gould = Punctuated Equilibrium. Nice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap View Post
    Who gives a rats ass whether or not someone else views strip clubs as 'sinful.'
    The only person whose opinion I care about in this regard is me.

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    GOOD!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toki View Post
    No. I'm not going to believe in God just because the Bible says so. Science is far more convincing.

    Besides, Dubya was elected a second time. That thoroughly convinces me that there is no God.
    LOL Great line!

    I'm agnostic. Science and evolution definitely explain things more believably than religion, but I can't buy the argument that the universe and life just "happened" by chance. However, I also don't see any evidence of a higher power in the world today. I just don't think we can know the answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckiCharm View Post
    I do believe in God. I don't believe that our bodies, our minds, and souls were created by a big bang. I don't believe that the beauty of nature just popped out of nowhere....
    I believe that this is entirely possible; we have learned so much about nature and the universe and how it works, yet there is so much more to understand. But I do not understand where consciousness- that is where our self-understanding - and intelligence comes from.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Who gives a rats ass whether or not someone else views strip clubs as 'sinful.' If you go and fuck around, making less of human beings you are a prick. If you don't but just enjoy yourself and have harmless fun, you are not. Who gets to decide what a sin is and what it isn't even within christianity? That shit's for god to do, if i recall it straight. 10 of those rules, of which only 5 deal with the physical world, do that just fine. [Madcap quote]

    I kinda agree with this,
    I fully respect anybody s right to believe in anything they wish, but I really don't get how something like drinking alcohol can make you a 'bad' person. I worked with a lot of Muslims who for them drink is forbidden and have become more westernized (not sure if that is the right word so apologies if I cause offense) so they do drink. This makes them feel that they are bad. That is their word not mine. So anyway I don't get how something like that can make you a bad person. I drink, but I know that I will go out of my way to do anything for anybody and am not a bad person.
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    i am very close with god i even believe that he knows i have to strip to pay for school, there may be no scientific proof but i am comforted in knowing that there is always someone watching out for me, plus i figure id rather be safe than sorry later!lol

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    I believe in a higher being; force; power - call it what you will. I went from recovering Catholic to Druid; Reformed. We just worship the sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikidejavu View Post
    plus i figure id rather be safe than sorry later!lol
    ^^ I was wondering when Pascal's wager would rear it's head.

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    I don't believe in any god/s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardkandee View Post
    Just for my own curiosity: Has anyone gone from being an atheist to a believer?
    Yes.

    Church was required as a child, I recall being very skeptical and viewing the whole thing as incredibly hypocritical. It appeared to be merely a social construct to manipulate and enslave people. The more religious a person was the creepier and hypocritical they were. God obviously was a creation of man, he/she/it didn't exist.

    In preparation of studying theoretical physics, I studied eastern mysticism to have a more open mind. To lower some of the western mental constructs, to be able to be less judgmental, more accepting. To just observe.

    I became a true believer in science, there was no god.

    As the years passed, things changed. Small things, unexplainable things, uncertainty at the very core of science made me question. I began delving into philosophy, I came to a personal belief in a combination of logic and the scientific method. The concept of faith began to grow.

    I came to a belief in a higher power, something larger and incomprehensible to us. I believe in a personal relationship that is unique to each individual.

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    My family is from Northern Ireland though I was born here in Canada, so you might say my experiences are more than in my previous post on this thread.

    In NI politics is as much religion as is language and what flag flies outside your door. Colors are a religion as well "be ye green or be ye orange". It is not as simple as Catholic or Prodestant, Irish or Brit. In short it is complicated and charged.

    The political parties there are in essence churches and denominations in and of themselves where political apathy is not as prevalent as it is in North America. The party leaders and the causes they have are the dogma and icon to follow.

    The provos are also in a weird way religious orginizations....There are more factions than just the IRA and Loyalist militia.

    So for me religion is nothing more than a cause with a leader or leaders. It has nothing to do with faith, or the supernatural. Anything can be a religion.

    God and/or the supernatural are seperate entities entirely. That are constantly and consistantly the scape goats for all mankind's bad decisions and f*ck ups. Hell why take responsibility for what you do just blame God and move on.

    I guess I just decided to not be Catholic or Prodistant, Republican (not the same as in the US) or Loyalist. I follow God against all "religious rules".

    Religion is for the fanatics.

    The way I figure is God is NOTHING like we figure Him to be, in fact He just might surprise us all!
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    I don't believe in god/s but after my brother died its comforting to tell myself I do. Does that make sense? Like logically I don't, I don't pray or do anything remotely religious but when your pulling life support it's nice to think he is going to heaven.
    I know it's b.s. but I don't care, thats where he is to me.

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    No. Just...no. I think belief in anything that isn't falsifiable is kind of up to the believer though. If believing in a god figure is helpful, then by all means...it's just not helpful to me. And it seems harmful in some instances. There might be some omniscient universal force, but there sure isn't any omnibenevolent force that I can buy into. That's where religion loses me.

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    Currently, no belief in any god.

    Reason: no reason to, no indication of a reason to. I know god-belief is faith-based, but there has to be some preliminary grain of (a) reason, otherwise I might as well just choose the church of the flying spaghetti monster and believe in that fervently.

    Note, I am one of those people that has 'premonitions' and predictive dreams n stuff. However, I don't attribute it to anything even remotey godly. More like the wonder of perception, memory, subconscious thought and neural firing mechanisms.

    I do think, however, that my beliefs and the beliefs of a 'spiritual' person are pretty damn similar...I just interpret things scientifically where others do so spiritually (so like, the laws of thermodynamics are my commandments, lol).
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    Has anyone been both an atheist and a staunch christian ? What made you most happy ?

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    Wow I came to this thread late due to my busy weekend.

    Do I believe in God? Yes and no. I absolutely do not believe in the traditional, anthropomorphic, daddy-sky god of the religions of the book. That makes me an atheist in that sense. I also believe that if there is a God, that God is no entity/being.

    But I do believe that there might be some sort of cosmic consciousness, or a gaian mind? Maybe. Yes that sounds new age and hokey as well but it just makes more sense to me. So I guess you could call me a pantheist.

    That's what I get from having an agnostic mother and buddhist father.
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    I believe there could be intelligence that is greater than human intelligence, but I am just playing the odds there. A gamble that it is more likely to be true then not if I assume a few things, like sure, given enough time, it could happen, including happening before our theory of the "big bang".

    But I think the human notions of a human-centric, earth-centric God with a human-centric "purpose" is egotistical.

    I also think human questions like "who created the universe", and "what is the purpose of life" are silly the way it is silly to ask "what is under the earth?" (based on the false assumption that the world needs holding up like a big rock). We learn more and more that just because a question is so simple a kid can ask it does not mean that the question is actually a valid question. Sometimes the answer is BZZZT... the question is meaningless because it is based on false assumptions/beliefs.

    I lean more towards atheism, but I also don't care enough to be a die-hard atheist either. Basically it is like to proving that there are no Universes outside our own. Some also argue that, but it is unprovable either way so I don't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage View Post
    I believe there could be intelligence that is greater than human intelligence, but I am just playing the odds there. A gamble that it is more likely to be true then not if I assume a few things, like sure, given enough time, it could happen, including happening before our theory of the "big bang".

    But I think the human notions of a human-centric, earth-centric God with a human-centric "purpose" is egotistical.

    I also think human questions like "who created the universe", and "what is the purpose of life" are silly the way it is silly to ask "what is under the earth?" (based on the false assumption that the world needs holding up like a big rock). We learn more and more that just because a question is so simple a kid can ask it does not mean that the question is actually a valid question. Sometimes the answer is BZZZT... the question is meaningless because it is based on false assumptions/beliefs.

    I lean more towards atheism, but I also don't care enough to be a die-hard atheist either. Basically it is like to proving that there are no Universes outside our own. Some also argue that, but it is unprovable either way so I don't care.
    That's kind of how I feel. I believe there may be a dimension or consciousness which is infinitely greater than ours but either way we are still human. Concepts such as the "meaning to life" are very human based and doesn't make any logical sense hence it is rendered null. The smartest of us would have no way of contemplating it and in the end it doesn't really matter. Even if there is something that could be hypothetically defined as "G-d" I don't ascribe anthromorphic ascriptions to it so the idea of worshipping it (ie stroking it's ego) or asking questions of life after death and meaning to life don't really mean anything. That is why in the strictest sense I am kind of atheist myself but I have other reasons (that would take to long to get into now) why I am pantheist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alia_of_the_Knife View Post
    ...Concepts such as the "meaning to life" are very human based and doesn't make any logical sense hence it is rendered null. The smartest of us would have no way of contemplating it and in the end it doesn't really matter. ....
    I agree completely. Well put.

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    I wanted to add that I was basically an agnostic growing up and never really gave it much more thought. My husband was a preacher's son and raised in a very strict Christian household. He listened to a book on tape one time called "A short history of nearly everything" by Bill Bryson (I think) and is now an atheist. While my husband was doing more research on his religious beliefs, I decided to get in on it too and I am now an atheist. He'd be a very good person to talk to if anybody is interested in it, I can give you his myspace address or something

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    ^ It's funny how little things can knock longtime believers into the world of heretics, lol. My friend (a smart girl) renounced Christianity on day 1 of Philosophy 101. It was just like...she'd never actually considered justifying religion before.

    Concepts such as the "meaning to life" are very human based and doesn't make any logical sense hence it is rendered null. The smartest of us would have no way of contemplating it and in the end it doesn't really matter.
    I also agree with this wholeheartedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexxaHex View Post
    I am my own God. I believe in the power of humanity, and the power to control your own reality. Satan is a very good representation of all that is human, so I identify as a . We believe in Sin as being more positive than "virtue/abstinence", which goes against our natural human feelings and functions. I also like to take responsibility for my own actions.
    As far as "God" existing in the Christian sense, I think that such a thing can exist in people's imaginations. I believe the Bible is a fictional story or collection of stories, and I think it's absolutely ridiculous to base your life on a book because other people have put it in your head that this is what you are "supposed" to do. "God" is a behavioral tool for people who can't think for themselves, IMO.
    I've read the satanic bible and have to admit that as much as I dont want to identify with ANY organized religion, Levay's satanism seems to be the one religion I can grasp and understand.

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