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    Quote Originally Posted by Aubreyyy View Post
    Wow I meant 8 months...lol...8 years would be a LONGGGGG time
    I was impressed with the every day bit lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan Wayward View Post
    I didn't say you criticized anyone, Vivacious. And I'm glad you enjoyed the show you saw. It's just wonderful that Vegas showgirls are included in what I presume are your very broad beauty standards. I don't know what you consider hot, but your previous post states that you expect it, whatever you think it is, and that's fine. But like I asked, should that be the standard? Your preference, whatever it is?
    True, the first link contained Vegas performers, but did you look at the second clip? First of all, those performers were in New Orleans. Second of all, ALL of those women would be my definition of hot. There's a great variety of them. But they have talent. They know how to move the crowd and tease. So take the time to watch it and then you'll know what I'm talking about.

    The body is an instrument and it behooves anyone who calls themselves a dancer to take care of it. Look at the lady in the video who goes into the splits half way -- waits for the cheers and then goes all the way down. Hot. Great dancing talent. Worth me paying to see. How complicated is that for you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Susan Wayward View Post
    Or being called "boring" because you dance like a regular stripper when in a regular strip club? I'm not chastising anyone's opinion here, merely pointing out that stripper body standards are irrelevant to burlesque, much like burlesque showmanship is irrelevant in most U.S. strip clubs.
    When did this topic become about stripclubs? Is that because we are on a stripclub board? Did somebody on here say that strippers were better than burlesque performers? I think you have some supporters of burlesque on this very post, and you're chastising us as though we had rocks in our head.

    Quote Originally Posted by Susan Wayward View Post
    But that's pretty much the definition of shallow, reacting solely to appearance.
    Soley, yes. But to so many people dance is the hidden language of the soul, the way our heart speaks....excuse me if I'd like to see some beauty in that.

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    why does 'inner beauty' have to be cellulite-free for you to see the 'hidden language of the soul'?

    i have seen some pretty slim ladies with cellulite, at any number of stripclubs, btw. it's not to do with being 'obese'.

    there are some distorted notions here about what consitutes 'fat' or 'obese'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella View Post
    why does 'inner beauty' have to be cellulite-free for you to see the 'hidden language of the soul'?
    I have never mentioned cellulite in this post once. Furthermore, beauty and art have been intertwined throughout the ages. Whatever issues you have with beauty, that's a fact.

    There is nothing wrong with wanting to see beauty in a dance performance, and I'm not ashamed to say it. I am not saying someone can or cannot perform. I would never dream of saying that. But I am not afraid to say that I enjoy TALENT and people who lift a profession up by being excellent at it (and yes that may include inspiring others with an amazing body they have gotten through hard work). I am not imposing my opinion on anyone else. This is just what I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivacious View Post
    I have never mentioned cellulite in this post once. Furthermore, beauty and art have been intertwined throughout the ages. Whatever issues you have with beauty, that's a fact.

    There is nothing wrong with wanting to see beauty in a dance performance, and I'm not ashamed to say it. I am not saying someone can or cannot perform. I would never dream of saying that. But I am not afraid to say that I enjoy TALENT and people who lift a profession up by being excellent at it (and yes that may include inspiring others with an amazing body they have gotten through hard work). I am not imposing my opinion on anyone else. This is just what I believe.

    I don't think they're responding to you about the cellulite comment. It was made by the OP concerning the show she went to see.

    I don't care either way, cellulite or no, but at the same time a lot of burlesque has to do with the sensual removal of clothing and entertainment in a risque way. There is a necessity for physical appeal there.

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    "There is a necessity for physical appeal there."

    I would say that in many burlesque shows--and it helps to know that there are many styles of burlesque shows, including fat-positive, fat-neutral, and standard mainstream modelly--the idea is that it's fun to watch women perform when their physical appeal is unacceptable to mainstream commercial media. The idea is that you can enjoy the women as their friends and partners do--people who already find them to be sexy or at least not repulsive--and that makes it more intimate, if not sexy in the commercial, let-me-sell-you-this-pack-of-cigarettes sense. In SOME shows.

    Some are very confrontational in the sense that they are kicking against the "You're too fat/old/skinny/etc to wear/do/try that." I love this kind of thing.

    I'm performing in Le Scandal weekend after next. I'm eh fit. Not really out of shape but not superfit either. They are actually neutral about that kind of thing and will book performers from scrawny to athletic to curvy to obese.

    As to who defines how burlesque ought to be...whatevs! Some is campy, some is sexy, some is glam, some is garage. I love variety!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaska View Post
    I do not want anyone to be offended by this, really I don't, but I saw a local show, they have a troupe here in ABQ. It was cool, they did several themed acts. It was way better than some backyard homegrown thang, professional.

    ok but ALL of the dancers were fat to obese, not even a lil bit "thick". Except one, and I watched something really disturbing....they were doing musical (metal folding) chairs on rollerblades, and this girl dove AT the one in-shape girl, she completely twisted her foot, and you could tell from the looks on her face and some other girls, that they were pretty pleased, and the girl was in SO MUCH pain and trying unsuccessfully to smile through it, it was really vicious.

    I had to ask myself: am I making this up? Am I "seeing what I want to see?"....no. It really happened.


    And I really DID have to wonder....why are all the girls fat? It just didn't sit right with me. Instead of "celebrating every individual's beauty", it just seemed like an outlet for fat-feminism, because there was no other body type represented.
    I love the fact that burly-Q's are so positive to all sorts of body images, genders, and styles of strip tease. One of my all time favorite performers (Miss Dirty Martini) is on the heavier side. However, she is a joy to watch time and time again. The woman has talent!!! And it is utterly refreshing to see a beautiful woman that is real and secure in her own sexuality getting nekkid!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aubreyyy View Post
    You're right, everyone has their own idea of sexy, I would just think someone taking their clothes off for a living (yes, even though you are doing it artistically and theatrically, you're still stripping at the end of the day) would do some squats and tone everything up so people notice your stage show first, and not the cottage cheese on your ass.
    See again - there's the exact thing. For contempo burlesque the cottage cheese on your ass is not the point; for those that want to see a great ass we have strip clubs and internet porn. The point is the camp, the involvement, the fun. If you are going with a preoccupation about commercially sexy bodies... you really might as well stay home. Just because a) it's not what you're generally getting and b) you're totally missing the point. It sort of comes across like a lot of you are criticizing what burlesque is because it isn't what it isn't.

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    Judge a Burlesque performer on her PERFORMANCE not her body. The body is used, yes, however it is not the focus. Far far from it. The focus is the PERFORMANCE: costume, music, routine.

    As there are plenty of Burlesque performers who do not even take a glove off during their performance.


    If you are going to go to a Burlesque gig and judge the performers due to their body, please do stay home. So what the whole troupe is "large"... judge them on their performance/show.


    The current Miss Exotic World is far from skinny, toned and has cellulite yet is HOT! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ_fzXL1Nog

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    ... It is in no way unfair to expect a performance artist using their body to portray something to take care of that body.

    I still do not understand how all of you in the "every body shape is sexy" camp don't see how excessive body fat or random fat in areas on your body would be distracting... especially to a mainstream audience, where EVERYONE is getting more and more health conscious (especially in this city).

    What it comes down to is being healthy (not that the women I saw in the show were unhealthy, but obese dancers have also been referenced in this thread). You can think every body is beautiful, but every body is not healthy looking. If your body is your line of work, again, it is not crazy, or unfair, or shallow, to expect for you to be within a healthy weight range.

    I am in no way discounting the show I saw. It was EXTREMELY entertaining. I was just not impressed with the shape that those ladies kept themselves in.

    For all of those telling me that with my opinion, I should just stay home... just as you think I have no right to impose my standards of beauty on another woman I paid to see perform, I suppose you have no right to tell me which shows I should or should not go see. I was just sharing a personal opinion (which is shared by more than you think).

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    health is more than looking 'toned', which is a pretty subjective representation of health on many bodies.

    likewise, cellulite in a few places hardly means the woman with it is 'unhealthy'. sorry, but body-health doesn't always look like a photoshopped magazine picture...

    also, i strongly suspect that 'excessive' body fat to you is not genuine excess fat like being five feet tall and weighing 400 pounds, but instead something much more minor and easily healthful.

    not every body type suits the media illusions of 'healthy' shoved down our throats constantly.

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    I just want to clarify that the show I saw was %100 majorly overweight, except for one girl. I really enjoyed it though and they clearly were passionate about it. When you come with an open mind, it's bound to be filled with something, and you just can't ignore the fact that every dancer is overweight. You can look past it, and enjoy the art, which I did, but it leaves you walking away wondering if this is some kind of "statement" about being overweight.

    If there was ACTUALLY every body type represented, well that's awesome. Like I said, I'm sure it was just my troupe here.

    I'm not saying stuff on pleasantly plump dancers---just when the entire troupe is more than "pleasantly plump."

    Glad I could clear that up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post

    Tanya Cheeks rocks my socks.
    She's gorgeous Jenny!

    Every girl in the troupe I saw looked more like this:




    And I'm not even saying "fat people shouldn't dance." Wiki sez:

    "Originally, burlesque featured shows that included comic sketches, often lampooning the social attitudes of the upper classes, alternating with dance routines. It developed alongside vaudeville and ran on competing circuits. In its heyday, burlesque bore little resemblance to earlier literary burlesques which parodied widely known works of literature, theater, or music."

    I just feel like the msg is lost/the idea of burlesque "altered" when the focus appears to be "LOOK AT ME. I'M BEAUTIFUL AND FAT SO FUCK YOU." Hey, maybe they ain't saying that, but I don't expect everyone to come with an open mind, either, and like I said, fat's hard to ignore and not draw conclusions about.

    Here's a link to a vid showing burlesque from a Big perspective:
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    There is no shortage of places for people who want to see hot chicks being hot. Nobody is suffering from lack of places to see socially-sanctioned good-looking girls get naked or partly naked. There is, however, a shortage of places for people who don't look like models to get appreciated in public for how hot they are to lots of people. So I like to see that gap filled. If there's often an element of "fuck you" in it, that's hardly surprising, considering how entitled people feel to judge them as unfit for this or that most of the time.

    Actually, people in the burlesque community argue about this too. I'm obviously of the "let 'em dance" mindset. I enjoy watching it. I enjoy watching all kinds of shows.

    The thing is, when you get historical about burlesque, it gets funky. Originally the ladies WERE bigger--google "Lydia Thompson" and see if that's not so. Check out Billy Watson's Beef Trust if you think there was no burlesque that consciously represented fat in the history of the art form.

    And originally there was NO stripping in burlesque, so imagine how furious the historically accurate folks were about THAT when it showed up! Lots of folks thought stripping was a defiling of burlesque, a destruction of all burlesque's value and charm.

    I actually do some recreations, and I spend a lot of time talking to ladies (and some of the men and variety entertainers) who did burlesque in the 40s, 50s, and 60s--you can read interviews with them in my blog. And they don't agree with each other about old burlesque or new burlesque, either. There is no homogenous history to refer to for a final, definitive answer about what represents true burlesque. And I work for the Burlesque Hall of Fame and I hear reports about the history of burlesque all the time. Another big argument is whether or not there were men in drag performing. There definitely were, and there's actually no DOUBT about it (I refer to footage of Vicki Lynn in TeaseoRama and Honey Harlow's roommate Bobbi, for instance), but you'll still hear people argue that drag queens have no place in burlesque. I just mention this to give an idea of how these discussions sometimes go. Sigh.

    In my case, I've been a feature dancer, and that was great, and I enjoyed being a centerfold and looking like a centerfold. Now I'm enjoying this. I can say that although I enjoyed being hot, I hold no reverence for it--I'm all for the fat chicks and the old ladies taking it all off, and I'm not always ironic or confrontational about it. I know it isn't going to make millions of dollars because not all audiences like it. But that doesn't, to me, mean that it shouldn't happen.

    I'm never interested in the "fat/health" argument unless it was the basis of the discussion to begin with. It almost always seems like a non-sequitur to me, I don't often buy it as an element of the original discussion.

    I don't really have anything else to say about it, I don't think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aubreyyy View Post
    ... It is in no way unfair to expect a performance artist using their body to portray something to take care of that body.

    I still do not understand how all of you in the "every body shape is sexy" camp don't see how excessive body fat or random fat in areas on your body would be distracting... especially to a mainstream audience, where EVERYONE is getting more and more health conscious (especially in this city).

    What it comes down to is being healthy (not that the women I saw in the show were unhealthy, but obese dancers have also been referenced in this thread). You can think every body is beautiful, but every body is not healthy looking. If your body is your line of work, again, it is not crazy, or unfair, or shallow, to expect for you to be within a healthy weight range.

    I am in no way discounting the show I saw. It was EXTREMELY entertaining. I was just not impressed with the shape that those ladies kept themselves in.

    For all of those telling me that with my opinion, I should just stay home... just as you think I have no right to impose my standards of beauty on another woman I paid to see perform, I suppose you have no right to tell me which shows I should or should not go see. I was just sharing a personal opinion (which is shared by more than you think).
    Aubreyyy - I think you misunderstood. It's not a matter of "fair" or "unfair" - it's a matter of missing the point of the show and focusing on things, frankly the wrong way. You might as well go to a lecture by Judith Butler and complain that she isn't teaching you to arrange flowers. Whether or not you think it is "fair" that everyone should know how to nicely arrange flowers is besides the point. As well; nobody is ordering you to stay home - they are saying that if this is what you are extracting from the show you might as well not see it; it is obviously not the kind of thing you are looking for. As Jo says - there is no shortage of venues for hot women to show that they are hot. Generally contemporary burlesque is not that venue; it is a venue of "all bodies are beautiful" and to engage the audience in that idea. If it is not an idea you want... why bother?

    I also have relatively little patience for "health" as the new fat morality. You are not healthy because you are thin and you are not unhealthy just because you are fat. If health was really the issue we'd be posting the results of our physicals rather than our heights and weights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaska View Post
    ...when the majority of dancers in a show are [overweight], it seems like it's not about the performance anymore, about burlesque, it's just about demanding that people see fat as beautiful. I thought we were making a feminist statement, a dance statement, a tribute to art, props, costumes, creativity, roots, all that, not a fat statement. And it's not shallow to not want to look at a room full of overweight ppl.
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    The body is an instrument and it behooves anyone who calls themselves a dancer to take care of it.

    ...dance is the hidden language of the soul, the way our heart speaks....I'd like to see some beauty in that.

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    ...burlesque has to do with the sensual removal of clothing and entertainment in a risque way. There is a necessity for physical appeal there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aubreyyy View Post
    ... It is in no way unfair to expect a performance artist using their body...to take care of that body.

    ...every body is not healthy looking. If your body is your line of work, again, it is not crazy, or unfair, or shallow, to expect for you to be within a healthy weight range.

    Well said!


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    ...it helps to know that there are many styles of burlesque shows, including fat-positive, fat-neutral, and standard mainstream modelly...
    I didn't know that. Is it generally publicized what kind of show it's going to be in those terms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jo Weldon View Post

    Actually, people in the burlesque community argue about this too.


    And originally there was NO stripping in burlesque, so imagine how furious the historically accurate folks were about THAT when it showed up! Lots of folks thought stripping was a defiling of burlesque, a destruction of all burlesque's value and charm.

    I actually do some recreations, and I spend a lot of time talking to ladies (and some of the men and variety entertainers) who did burlesque in the 40s, 50s, and 60s--you can read interviews with them in my blog. And they don't agree with each other about old burlesque or new burlesque, either.

    ...I'm all for the fat chicks and the old ladies taking it all off, and I'm not always ironic or confrontational about it. I know it isn't going to make millions of dollars because not all audiences like it. But that doesn't, to me, mean that it shouldn't happen.
    Thank you for this cogent summation of the issue, and your well-balanced insight. I didn't know there was contention within the burlesque community, but I suppose it's not a big surprise.
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    I lied, I have more to say.

    The contention in the burlesque community is usually, though certainly not always, fairly friendly, like a bunch of people on a sports show talking about who was the best boxer ever.

    Is it advertised as such? You mean, is there a warning that people who are sensitive to the sight of cellulite might have to go wash their eyes with a Victoria's Secret catalog afterward? Do you think people need a warning that someone onstage might not look like Carmen Electra (who I love, BTW)? God forbid they should see something unexpected. I'm sorry, I have no sympathy for people who are squeamish about imperfect bodies, and might be disappointed by the unexpected sight of them, just because the media spoonfeeds them perfect bodies all day long. Here's an opportunity to experience a different kind of presentation and energy, and they're annoyed because it's not more of the same thing they get everywhere else (and I can't repeat enough that I LOVE NONFAT MEDIA-APPROVED BODIES TOOOOOOOOOOO). The world has taught them to be prejudiced and has limited the range of joy and beauty they can see.

    Margaret Cho, who I performed with off-Broadway last year, also does burlesque. She tells a story about an interviewer who asked her what she would do if she woke up one day and she was beautiful. He then went on to specify, "Blonde, five-eight, 100 lbs." And she said, "If that's how narrow his standard of beauty is, he must not get to see much beauty at all in the world." She has all kinds of body types in her show and it sold out for six weeks. People want to see it. It delights them. They leave the show thrilled and email us afterwards to tell us how much they enjoyed it. ANd some people don't enjoy it. So some people have a good day and some people have a bad day. Whose mind set do you want more--that of a person who goes around seeing great things and having a gret day, or that of a person who attends the exact same show and saw repulsive things and had a bad day? It's not a matter of who's right, since we're talking about beauty which is always in the eye of, or of whether or not it's all relative--it's a matter of whose head you want to live in.

    And yes, I think non-commercial bodies, with cellulite, and even in states of ill-health, can be a joy to watch naked, and no, I don't think there should be a warning label for acceptance of cellulite on show advertisements. "Warning: for those not in the know, we may book fat dancers. Please consider carefully before purchasing tickets."

    I repeat, there is no shortage of places to see modelly performers, or ballet and jazz. There IS a shortage of places to go see people perform in a more playful, less commercial, less restrictive forum. I don't think beauty is in any danger of being oppressed by fat activism, for Pete's sake.

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    I live my life surrounded by joy, beauty, passion, glamour, striptease, and dance.
    I do, as well.

    I was just curious to see if the various types of show you described, "fat-positive, fat-neutral, and standard mainstream modelly..." were publicized as such, in some way.
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    Some are advertised as such. Some have an agenda of specifically having plus-size performers. Others just book plus-size or whoever else does routines they like, without a specification of body type, without any particular agenda, and on a given night that might mean they're all whatever it is people might find overwieght, on another night not. And others book only women with commercially attractive bodies. Some shows have the same performers every week, but most have some of the same performers plus a few guest performers.

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    I do, as well.

    I was just curious to see if the various types of show you described, "fat-positive, fat-neutral, and standard mainstream modelly..." were publicized as such.
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    Thank you for your answer. I have always been a big fan of your posts.

    You have a great avatar, as well. I have done several Pinup style drawings, and will be getting back into this very soon, and probably working with a couple of friends of mine here in Key West with their burlesque shows.
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    ok, i'll add another post to this thread, even though i swore to myself i'd stay out of it.

    i believe that pretty much everyone in this "debate" is somewhat correct.

    i'm all for challenging the idea of "beauty" and what best represents what is beautiful (which is why i'm on suicidegirls). i believe that PERFORMANCE is the most important part of the burlesque show. that being said, i also believe that if you are going to be largely overweight (not thick or curvy, but downright obese/flabby) you are presenting an image of either not caring about yourself or not caring as much about your career (unless that's your niche market). if i ever put together a troupe of my own, i would require that the girls be HEALTHY. you can not perform well (imo, esp dance routines) if you are obese. it looks sloppy. keep in mind that there are plenty of larger woman who are not unhealthy or "obese".

    that being said, maybe there are obese dancers who do amazing performances. if so, good for them and i'd be all for paying to watch it. i just don't think that is the NORM. the NORM with troupes that have a bunch of "flabby" girls working, is that the performances suck. why? because there is usually little to no training or preparation involved. it's a bunch of girls who got together and decided to choreograph a couple dances, just like most of did in middle school at sleep overs.. and a week later they expect to charge people to watch it and they slap the burlesque name on it.

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    Well, I'm just saying that when you see a show that's %100 obese (this is prob not always the case tho I'm sure) it seems like a political statement about obesity, detracting from the burlesque..
    I don't know. I think its our own interpretation that its a statement, because we seldomly see larger girls proudly showing off their physique through a dramatic and interpretive dance.

    This reminds me of people comparing bellydancing to stripping and burlesque. Or assuming bellydancers should be a little fat, or assuming that all bellydancers are fat because they saw a couple of heavier dancers perform. They are all 3 different art forms. The main similarities are that they are dances performed by women.

    Oh, and I'm not overweight, and never have been. My health sucks! My friend who is significantly overweight never gets sick! Not that 2 examples matter overall. But most of the population is heavier than your average Deja Vu club stripper.

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    Yeah I had some friends in Austin who had a bellydancing troupe, I helped them out a couple times, it was really fun!

    I think they had 3-4 dancers, there were a couple that were very slender and a couple that weren't. They all put on a great show!

    I got a great pair of these middle eastern style men's pants out of the deal, I'd love to find them again, as they were great for costume parties, etc. I used them with the Cyrano De Bergerac costume. Except they were sort of revealing of the anatomy, it was funny--even though they were baggy and flowing. Sorry, threadjack.
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    I do, as well.

    I was just curious to see if the various types of show you described, "fat-positive, fat-neutral, and standard mainstream modelly..." were publicized as such, in some way.
    Check out Texas Star Burlesque. They specifically state that they are a plus-size burlesque troop. So, if they were 1 of 5 performers at a burlesque festival, would you not go? Would you walk out of the room?

    IMO, the WORST performance at the Texas Burlesque Fest (that I saw) was by a group of skinny-minis. Why? They copied the Pussycat Dolls in entirity, were obviously just running through the moves, and had no passion or expression on their faces. That is just my personal critique. I am sure they are lovely girls and worked hard practicing. But, as the point has been made, burlesque is about much more.

    Jo, I really enjoyed your posts about the Burlesque community. It does remind me of the bellydance community.

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    Check out Texas Star Burlesque. They specifically state that they are a plus-size burlesque troop. So, if they were 1 of 5 performers at a burlesque festival, would you not go? Would you walk out of the room?
    You mean there would be 4 other troupes performing as well? Including troupes that weren't 'plus-sized'? Sure, I'd go...
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