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    I really really want to improve my nightly average, but I'm not sure how to do it. I read on here about girls making $500+ a night and I hear the other girls in my club talking about making $300+ a night, and I can't seem to break the magic number $300. My nights average $150 (on a slow night, usually weeknights) or $200 (on a busy night). Now there are times that I have bad nights, and I look back and go, "Ya know, it was my fault. I slacked off or didn't do this or that." But there are a LOT of nights that I just can't seem to figure out what I need to do differently. I've read just about everything in here, and I'm still coming up way short of what I want to be making. So here, in a nutshell, is my "technique":

    My standard hustle for a table with a guy alone is usually like this:
    Me: "Hey, baby! Mind if I join you?"
    Him: "Sure! I could use some company!"
    Me: "I'm Morgan." (extend hand to shake)
    Him: "I'm John." (shakes hand)
    Me: "So where are you from?"
    Him: "Here."
    Me: "Born and raised, or are you a transplant?"
    Him: "Born and raised, unfortunately."
    Me: "So what are your plans for tonight?"
    Him: "Just going to have a few drinks and then head on home."
    Me: "Well that doesn't sound like much fun!" (pout)
    Him: "Yeah."
    Me: "Let's go have some fun in VIP together! I can't send you home without giving you something to think about tonight!" (smile)

    My standard "hustle" for a group of guys at a table is something like this:
    Me: "Hey boys! Mind if I join the party?"
    Guy #1: "Sure! Sit down!"
    <Introductions all around>
    Me: "So how do you guys know each other?"
    Them: "We work together."
    Me: "Did they make you work today?" (pouts)
    Them: "Yeah. We just got off work and decided to come out for a little bit to kick back."
    Me: "Sounds fun. Know what would make it even more fun?"
    Them: "What?"
    Me: "Some time with me, one-on-one, back in the VIP room. Who wants to go first?"

    Now I would say that on a good night, my hustles work about 40% of the time. On a bad night, maybe 20% of the time. If they say "maybe later" I'll say, "Okay. I'll check back with you in a little bit/after my next stage, okay?" and then excuse myself. If they say, "Not tonight" or "No", I'll say, "Okay. Well maybe some other night then, K?" and excuse myself. So I'm not wasting time with "nos".

    But I'll have busy nights where I feel like I've been in the VIP (lapdance/couch dance) room all night long, and I've still only made $200-$250.

    What can I do to start making more?

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    What time do you come in? My average may be a bit higher than the other girls, but lets not forget that when I work I hit the floor at 7 and work till close. You can't fairly compare one girl's 8+ hour shift with another girl's 5 hour shift.

    Are you giving these hustles at P10's where the guys have to pay more to sit in VIP and you don't necessarily get paid any more than what you'd make on the floor? In that case I'd let the guys save thier VIP dollars and just do dances on the main floor. Why give that extra 100 to the club? Make the customer spend that on you!

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    If I were you I'd slow it down a little. You're doing it so fast, and I bet it makes a lot of guys feel rushed and not special. if you took 50% more time, but got a 60-70% yes, then you'd be doing better.

    Also, those guys who say yes, try to get them to spend more. It's easier to hustle someone who's already warmed up then a new person. Some good lines for this (getting multiple dances):
    1. You don't want me to stop, do you (pouty/cute. this is good for sweet guys and white nights)
    2. I'm just getting warmed up, let's do another (good for guys who seem to want more)
    3. Wow, I don't think I've been so turned on at work in a long time, can I keep going for you? (got for young guys who think they're hot shit!)

    also- I never hustled groups. I'd focus on 1 guy in the group, usually a less attractive/fatter guy, and focus 100% of my attention on him. It makes him feel special, individual, and it's more likely gonna be a yes.

    Identify what types of custys you generally appeal to. Do you find yoy do more dances/vips for young, old, middle aged. Buisnessmen or guys just out for the night. locals or not? Then you can hustle guys who you find more likely to say yes.

    Ask for tips. Ya, this is risky, but it works a lot of time, especially on busy nights. There are a lot of ways to do it, you can say
    1. it's X$, and tips are always appreciated
    2. it's X$, and gentlemen always tip!
    3. It's X$ minimum.

    I like 1 and 3 the best. But 2 works a lot on the white knight hero guys.

    Sell blocks of time on the floor. Compare it to vip, but cheaper and without the house taking a cut. Plus you will still get to enjoy my stage show. I'd say there are 15 songs in an hour, That'd be 300$ worth of dances, but since you're so sweet, I'd do it for you for 250$ (or whatever numbers you like) You won't dance every song, but you sit on there lap, be extra sweet, and cuddle. Make sure you get paid first.

    also, maybe if you can't exceed those earnings at this club, look for another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabrina View Post
    What time do you come in? My average may be a bit higher than the other girls, but lets not forget that when I work I hit the floor at 7 and work till close. You can't fairly compare one girl's 8+ hour shift with another girl's 5 hour shift.

    Are you giving these hustles at P10's where the guys have to pay more to sit in VIP and you don't necessarily get paid any more than what you'd make on the floor? In that case I'd let the guys save thier VIP dollars and just do dances on the main floor. Why give that extra 100 to the club? Make the customer spend that on you!
    I normally come in between 5 and 6, and work til 2. Most of the girls come in between 6 and 8 and work til 2.

    I'm giving these hustles in a club here in Amarillo. The club has no Champagne room, and their "VIP" is the couchdance room. We HAVE to charge a minimum of $20 per dance, but many/most of the girls charge $30 for 1 or $50 for 2, and the house takes NO cut off of our LDs. Table dances DO happen, but very very rarely, and we're allowed to set our own prices for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lola Rose View Post
    If I were you I'd slow it down a little. You're doing it so fast, and I bet it makes a lot of guys feel rushed and not special. if you took 50% more time, but got a 60-70% yes, then you'd be doing better.

    Also, those guys who say yes, try to get them to spend more. It's easier to hustle someone who's already warmed up then a new person. Some good lines for this (getting multiple dances):
    1. You don't want me to stop, do you (pouty/cute. this is good for sweet guys and white nights)
    2. I'm just getting warmed up, let's do another (good for guys who seem to want more)
    3. Wow, I don't think I've been so turned on at work in a long time, can I keep going for you? (got for young guys who think they're hot shit!)

    also- I never hustled groups. I'd focus on 1 guy in the group, usually a less attractive/fatter guy, and focus 100% of my attention on him. It makes him feel special, individual, and it's more likely gonna be a yes.

    Identify what types of custys you generally appeal to. Do you find yoy do more dances/vips for young, old, middle aged. Buisnessmen or guys just out for the night. locals or not? Then you can hustle guys who you find more likely to say yes.

    Ask for tips. Ya, this is risky, but it works a lot of time, especially on busy nights. There are a lot of ways to do it, you can say
    1. it's X$, and tips are always appreciated
    2. it's X$, and gentlemen always tip!
    3. It's X$ minimum.

    I like 1 and 3 the best. But 2 works a lot on the white knight hero guys.

    Sell blocks of time on the floor. Compare it to vip, but cheaper and without the house taking a cut. Plus you will still get to enjoy my stage show. I'd say there are 15 songs in an hour, That'd be 300$ worth of dances, but since you're so sweet, I'd do it for you for 250$ (or whatever numbers you like) You won't dance every song, but you sit on there lap, be extra sweet, and cuddle. Make sure you get paid first.

    also, maybe if you can't exceed those earnings at this club, look for another.
    Okay, let me try this one step at a time...

    I agree that perhaps I do need to slow down a bit. Depends on how packed the club is as to how fast I'll go. I also do okay at getting 2 dances in a set, but very seldom more than that. I'll usually say something (at the end of the first dance) like, "I'm having SO much fun! Do I have to stop, or can I keep going?" USUALLY, they'll say, "One more song."

    Hustling groups: I sometimes run into problems on this, because a lot of times when I hustle an individual in a group, he'll say that he doesn't want to leave his buddies. Sometimes I'll turn to his buddies and say in a baby-ish voice, "Awww... Isn't that sweet? He doesn't want to leave his boys!" and sometimes his buddies will send him off with me or even pay for his first dance. But more often than not, when I focus on one guy, I run into the problem that I then LOSE the opportunity to hustle all the other guys at the table. I don't know if I just have bad luck with that or what, but I always seem to get the married guy who thinks it's "cheating" if he gets an LD, and meanwhile there's three other guys at the table that I think are better prospects. I don't know if it's a regional thing or what, but it's VERY rare that someone will take back the same dancer their friend is interested in.

    The other day (and this one pissed me off) I was just about to go dance my last set of the night and was working this table of 2. Guy #1 seemed to be the Alpha Male, so I picked on Guy #2, who agreed to buy a dance after I finished my stage set. Then Guy #2 goes to the bathroom, and Guys #3 and #4 walk up. They both almost immediately say that they want a dance, but Guy #1 says, "Nah, she's dancing for Guy #2 as soon as she gets off stage." They basically say, "Dammit," and promise to get a dance from me "some other night". Problem here was that Guy #2 was puking in the bathroom and too drunk to sit for the LD, and he sickly begged my forgiveness for not being able to do the LD. And now I can't dance for #3 or #4 because they see it as some weird form of cock-blocking.

    My favorite custys? Middle-aged men at a table alone, business travellers. Mexicans tend to be grabby. Old men tend to be really dirty. Local younglings tend to be forceful and/or insist on WAY too much SS for my taste. Unfortunately, the middle-aged businessman is kind of like the Golden Unicorn: You find one every now and again, but not often.

    I like the idea of asking for tips.

    I also like the idea of selling blocks of time... I'll have to see how I could modify that idea for my club setting, but that sounds like a good tip.

    Thanks!

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    if the norm is to Charge More, are you at least Charging More? since the standard price appears to be higher than 20 bucks a song, clearing over 300 should be a cool soothing breeze. i'd be racking up the 2/50s and throwing out some 3/100s while i was at it (not cheaper, but you wouldn't be presenting it as such).

    you could easily start with selling guys on minimums. when i switched to not settling for less than 2 dances at a time, it was mysteriously a LOT easier to sell 2 or 3 or 5 more to the same guy. you could do 3/80s all up and down the club and probably darn near double your moneys.

    do the girls making over 300 regular sell multiples to guys, or are they getting 1-2 dances off 20 dudes due to sheer aggression?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan_TX View Post
    I normally come in between 5 and 6, and work til 2. Most of the girls come in between 6 and 8 and work til 2.

    I'm giving these hustles in a club here in Amarillo. The club has no Champagne room, and their "VIP" is the couchdance room. We HAVE to charge a minimum of $20 per dance, but many/most of the girls charge $30 for 1 or $50 for 2, and the house takes NO cut off of our LDs. Table dances DO happen, but very very rarely, and we're allowed to set our own prices for them.
    Okay for some reason I was thinking we worked at the same club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella View Post
    if the norm is to Charge More, are you at least Charging More? since the standard price appears to be higher than 20 bucks a song, clearing over 300 should be a cool soothing breeze. i'd be racking up the 2/50s and throwing out some 3/100s while i was at it (not cheaper, but you wouldn't be presenting it as such).

    you could easily start with selling guys on minimums. when i switched to not settling for less than 2 dances at a time, it was mysteriously a LOT easier to sell 2 or 3 or 5 more to the same guy. you could do 3/80s all up and down the club and probably darn near double your moneys.

    do the girls making over 300 regular sell multiples to guys, or are they getting 1-2 dances off 20 dudes due to sheer aggression?
    I do the 1 for $30, 2 for $50 thing.

    Your last question: Do the girls making over 300...? I honestly don't know. Maybe I'm just missing them, but it seems like whenever *I* have a good night ($200+) and whenever THEY have a good night ($500+), I seldom see them in VIP very much. I feel like I'm in VIP all night busting my ass, and I only see them in VIP two or three times all night long, so I don't know. When I'm back in VIP with them, I seldom see them sell more than 1 or 2 dances, but most of the night, they're not even in VIP at all. If I went by what I actually saw, I'd guess that they probably sold 1-2 dances each to maybe 3-5 guys. Even if you assume that I'm only seeing half of what they're doing, that should still only add up to a maximum of $250. I don't know where the other $200+ is coming from.

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    also, a lot of girls lie about what they make, especially in the club.

    any time a random coworker would ask me what i'd made, I'd say oh not a lot.

    but a lot of girls brag and lie to make themselves look better.

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    since you can negotiate prices, why don't you try this when selling a dance (after he's said yes, and while you wait for the next song)

    dances are 30$ each, but I'm offering an extra special deal- tonight you can get 4 whole dances for 90$, and that's how much 3 normally are! But shhhh, don't tell!

    it'll make him feel so special, and he'll probably tip you the extra 10$. Don't ask for tips doing this, it'll make him feel ripped off.

    if you can get 2 guys only to do this a night, you can almost double your $$

    oh, and when a guy tips you (on stage or for a dance) be uber thankful! Awww, that is so sweet, thank you so much. And maybe sit with him for a minute more, then ask for another dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lola Rose View Post
    since you can negotiate prices, why don't you try this when selling a dance (after he's said yes, and while you wait for the next song)

    dances are 30$ each, but I'm offering an extra special deal- tonight you can get 4 whole dances for 90$, and that's how much 3 normally are! But shhhh, don't tell!

    it'll make him feel so special, and he'll probably tip you the extra 10$. Don't ask for tips doing this, it'll make him feel ripped off.

    if you can get 2 guys only to do this a night, you can almost double your $$
    I like that one... I've noticed that with the "1 for $30, 2 for $50" that I normally do, the guys will frequently toss in that extra $10 as well... Never thought about using it to sell 4 dances. I'll have to remember that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan_TX View Post
    I do the 1 for $30, 2 for $50 thing.

    Your last question: Do the girls making over 300...? I honestly don't know. Maybe I'm just missing them, but it seems like whenever *I* have a good night ($200+) and whenever THEY have a good night ($500+), I seldom see them in VIP very much. I feel like I'm in VIP all night busting my ass, and I only see them in VIP two or three times all night long, so I don't know. When I'm back in VIP with them, I seldom see them sell more than 1 or 2 dances, but most of the night, they're not even in VIP at all. If I went by what I actually saw, I'd guess that they probably sold 1-2 dances each to maybe 3-5 guys. Even if you assume that I'm only seeing half of what they're doing, that should still only add up to a maximum of $250. I don't know where the other $200+ is coming from.
    yeah, from what you're saying, it is just a low-earnings club, since vip is open-layout (not booths or rooms) and one can see how many dances everyone is doing. it just doesn't sound like many dances actually get sold.
    unless you are deriving their 500+ reports from dance counts the club does, or unless your club is generous with stage tips (or unless they are that good at hustling tips themselves, etc), i would have travelled elsewhere to work long ago.

    i'm prepared to agree with some others that maybe everyone else isn't wildly outearning you at this club.

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    I'm very new, but I'll share with you what's been working for me. I've been in the $300-$400 range and only been dancing a week, so I must be doing something right.

    My approach is usually to approach a customer and say hello and give them a hot look as I'm passing by, and touch them gently on the shoulder or arm as I do. If they make eye contact and look interested, I'll stop walking and introduce myself and maybe get his name. But I notice that people don't always want to give out their personal info either, and sometimes too much speaking interaction ruins the fantasy. So after that I try to be out of sight a lot so they think I'm high demand. I come back later again and say, "Hey! How's it going?" They answer. Then I say, "You're cute. You have nice eyes (or whatever is genuinely attractive of theirs). I'd love to do a private dance for you." This always works. Sometimes in the dance I'llt ell them that I only dance for guys I find attractive because it's fun, and otherwise I couldn't bring myself to do this stuff. This works well. Of course, I pretty much only hit on the people in their 20s and 30s.

    When it comes time to ask for the tip following a dance, I hold out my garter and say, "Oh, hey, I hate to have to do this, but you know, the club takes a huge cut of our dances, and so tips are really important..." and they always apologize instantly and tip me real nice, saying like, "Oh, yeah, I know how it is."

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