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    After reading this article.


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080122/...uqMkpZZ8pvzwcF


    I wonder, if the country will divide if Obama becomes president. I was under the impression. That it was okay to have white pride, and those who had it! Did not hurt other people. Or doing such things in that article. That they where a knew groups of white americans. Who's holds a differant meaning to that flag. In the article above!



    What do you think the white supremists, in these states that are mostly support, white pride. Will react to a black president. Do you think this willl increase the rage to act more violently towards blacks. Do you think this will creep a underground war. Or do you think people will but an end to the enthic race issue. Than be more concern of the human race.
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    Truthfully, I think that an Obama presidency would be the single best thing that could possibly happen in regard to bringing down racial barriers. After all, if America were to elect a black president that fact would speak volumes towards a conclusion that racial discrimination is more or less a dead issue in America.

    However, this would NOT make everyone happy, as there are arguably quite a few Americans who don't want to see an end to the idea that blacks and hispanics are discriminated against. Among these are the Rev. Al Sharpton and many white liberal politicians who must continue to sell the existance of discrimination in order to justify gov't funded 'solutions'. Also among them are teachers unions, who must then come up with alternate explanations as to why urban schools so badly underperform suburban schools. Also among them are police unions, who must then come up with alternate explanations as to why the black population of jails and prisons is so high in comparison to the general population.

    Right now it is difficult if not impossible to even begin to raise such questions at all, because they are usually met with immediate racist accusations. If Obama were to be elected president, however, those immediate racist accusations would no longer be anywhere near as effective and legitimate discussion might follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Truthfully, I think that an Obama presidency would be the single best thing that could possibly happen in regard to bringing down racial barriers. After all, if America were to elect a black president that fact would speak volumes towards a conclusion that racial discrimination is more or less a dead issue in America.

    However, this would NOT make everyone happy, as there are arguably quite a few Americans who don't want to see an end to the idea that blacks and hispanics are discriminated against. Among these are the Rev. Al Sharpton and many white liberal politicians who must continue to sell the existance of discrimination in order to justify gov't funded 'solutions'. Also among them are teachers unions, who must then come up with alternate explanations as to why urban schools so badly underperform suburban schools. Also among them are police unions, who must then come up with alternate explanations as to why the black population of jails and prisons is so high in comparison to the general population.

    Right now it is difficult if not impossible to even begin to raise such questions at all, because they are usually met with immediate racist accusations. If Obama were to be elected president, however, those immediate racist accusations would no longer be anywhere near as effective and legitimate discussion might follow.

    Well put!

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    I keep wanting to believe that the true white supremicists are such a small minority it doesn't matter, but to be honest... I really don't know how deep or wide those extremist beliefs run. I guess we will find out. It could be that despite the vocal few, for the most part the vast majority doesn't care. Or it could be they are much larger group then I am aware of.

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    ^^^ potentially true, but then again the same questions exist in regard to 'black supremacists' and 'hispanic supremacists'. Just because US prison populations persist in lining up along racial divisions, there's no reason to believe that a huge majority of ordinary America are going to choose the same course. The dream of course is that if Obama were to be elected president that ordinary America can finally drop the last vestiges of racism, and truly integrate. However, white, black and hispanic Americans alike have to WANT to truly integrate. But there is at least some reason to believe that those who will resist true integration the most may actually be black and hispanic.

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    Here's an interesting question, if Obama was elected and failed as a president, do you think that would hurt race relations?

    I agree that if he is elected it would do wonders for relations, simply because it would break down some stereotypes even further.

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    "White pride" is just a euphemism for a depraved level of racism. They are mocking the black pride movement of the 1960's, which was important for a group of people who were finally starting to see progress in attaining equal rights and opportunities after centuries of subjegation.

    Anyone who has "white pride" is just a thinly veiled bigot.

    I'm so down with Obama as president these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Truthfully, I think that an Obama presidency would be the single best thing that could possibly happen in regard to bringing down racial barriers. After all, if America were to elect a black president that fact would speak volumes towards a conclusion that racial discrimination is more or less a dead issue in America.

    However, this would NOT make everyone happy, as there are arguably quite a few Americans who don't want to see an end to the idea that blacks and hispanics are discriminated against. Among these are the Rev. Al Sharpton and many white liberal politicians who must continue to sell the existance of discrimination in order to justify gov't funded 'solutions'. Also among them are teachers unions, who must then come up with alternate explanations as to why urban schools so badly underperform suburban schools. Also among them are police unions, who must then come up with alternate explanations as to why the black population of jails and prisons is so high in comparison to the general population.

    Right now it is difficult if not impossible to even begin to raise such questions at all, because they are usually met with immediate racist accusations. If Obama were to be elected president, however, those immediate racist accusations would no longer be anywhere near as effective and legitimate discussion might follow.
    Some of Hillary's strongest supporters and Obama's loudest critics have been Black elected officials- John Lewis; Charley Rangel etc. Jesse Jackson says he supports Obama but his wife supports Hillary and Jesse really hasn't done anything to promote Obama's campaign. Afaik, Sharpton is still on the fence.

    There are a number of reasons: !. Obama is NOT part of the Old Guard of the Civil Rights Movement 2. His rhetoric is inclusive and conciliatory without any rantings about "reparations" and the like and most importantly 3. FEAR. Much of the current Black Political Establishment is terrified that Obama will win and worse yet that Blacks will shift from lower and working class to middle class. Successful Blacks don't need the Government as much as the "poor"; they don't need Hillary; they don't need Sharpton and Jackson and other "poverty pimps". If Obama wins NOBODY will need Sharpton; Jackson; Maxine Waters; Andy Young or Calvin Butts.
    They all fear loss of their relevancy. Most of all, Bill " the 1st Black President" Clinton would be replaced by a REAL Black President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    "White pride" is just a euphemism for a depraved level of racism.
    Agreed but "Black Pride" is the same....you can insert any color or group into that equation and it is all the SAME. Obama "winning" the presidency will not change anything that truly matters....only perceptions. As far as the inevitable backlash of "white pride" against the assaults of "black,latino,gay,etc. etc. pride" only time will tell how nasty things will get when the racial "cold war" in America turns hot....I don't plan to be here for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauries View Post
    Agreed but "Black Pride" is the same....you can insert any color or group into that equation and it is all the SAME. Obama "winning" the presidency will not change anything that truly matters....only perceptions. As far as the inevitable backlash of "white pride" against the assaults of "black,latino,gay,etc. etc. pride" only time will tell how nasty things will get when the racial "cold war" in America turns hot....I don't plan to be here for it.
    No its not and you know that "white pride" is racist rhetoric. The racial war in America? Does anyone believe that will still happen?

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    "White Pride" is the rallying cry of the Klan and other racist organizations.

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    Well LC thanks for a great topic and one that is important enough to justify a good discussion. However since this topic is obviously too touchy and mature for some to handle....you can feel free to PM me if you wish to discuss this furthur in private.

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    White people in the United States don't need pride, they already have privilege.

    I'm not exactly proud of the fact that I get an unspoken advantage wherever I go, but it is what it is and it seems like slowly it's changing for the better.

    About Obama (hopefully) winning the presidency? I'd just be worried about a whacko or two repeating a MLK JFK type incident. But I doubt that any serious opposition could hold any kind of clout without getting ridiculed and ignored.

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    as there are arguably quite a few Americans who don't want to see an end to the idea that blacks and hispanics are discriminated against.
    You seriously don't believe that blacks and Latinos face discrimination???

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    Why does anyone need "race pride"? Can't you just be proud of yourself and your own accomplishments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    Why does anyone need "race pride"? Can't you just be proud of yourself and your own accomplishments?
    That's a non-sequitur question that has little to do with the "white pride" code phrase, and the "White Supremacist" movement.
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    Well, but it's poignant. What's the validity in taking pride in something over which you have no control?

    It took me about five seconds to Google up a single American white supremacy site. There have to be plenty others. Anti-nonwhite bigotry is alive and as "well" as it ever gets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    Well, but it's poignant. What's the validity in taking pride in something over which you have no control?

    It took me about five seconds to Google up a single American white supremacy site. There have to be plenty others. Anti-nonwhite bigotry is alive and as "well" as it ever gets.
    Hmmm. I agree with you - racism is alive and well, and in addition to the old forms (lynching and overt hate crimes) has achieved new forms (like voter suppression techniques and "caging"). It's innovative in its hatred.

    But that's not what I was saying. Maybe I misunderstood jester214's original question, or rather, the intent. To me, it looked like a naive question that avoided an understanding or acknowledgment of the phrase "white pride" to be a code that is backed up, not by "pride", but by hatred and bigotry. Further, I couldn't tell if the naivety was sincere or willful; was he, perhaps, playing dumb or actually asking a genuine question?

    Considering his political stance in other threads, my first assessment was that jester214 was playing dumb.

    If the question was intended in good faith, then my first assessment was incorrect. If not... then I'd rather call him on it so that he can respond to the assertion made that "white pride" has nothing to do with pride at all, but rather racism.

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    When are we going to start judging people by the content of their character?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    When are we going to start judging people by the content of their character?
    Isn't that what I'm doing?

    Or by the content of their posts, anyway - the words they type on the screen.
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    Yeah, I'm just annoyed because all I ever hear about Obama is that he's black and I really don't give a shit what color he is. I'm tired of hearing about everything in racial terms; I'm from Memphis and EVERYTHING is still about race. And it's such a bullshit thing to focus on. I don't give a damn what color Mike Huckabee's hair is, and I don't give a shit what color Barak Obama's skin is. Pigmentation has SFA to do with anything. So when are we going to let the race thing go and start dealing with people as people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauries View Post
    If your implication is that I'm a part of a "white hate" group then I DO NOT find your comment amusing or funny. I have spoken with LC and plenty of other WOC's on this site in chat and by PM on a multitude of topics and always found them to be open-minded,funny,warm and friendly....quite UNLIKE YOU!! I would very much appreciate you removing that comment and APOLOGIZING.
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    In the 80s there was a problem with white power type groups and people crossing over into the punk scene. The Dead Kennedys made it clear that these people were not welcome.

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    Hmmm. I agree with you - racism is alive and well, and in addition to the old forms (lynching and overt hate crimes) has achieved new forms (like voter suppression techniques and "caging"). It's innovative in its hatred.

    But that's not what I was saying. Maybe I misunderstood jester214's original question, or rather, the intent. To me, it looked like a naive question that avoided an understanding or acknowledgment of the phrase "white pride" to be a code that is backed up, not by "pride", but by hatred and bigotry. Further, I couldn't tell if the naivety was sincere or willful; was he, perhaps, playing dumb or actually asking a genuine question?

    Considering his political stance in other threads, my first assessment was that jester214 was playing dumb.

    If the question was intended in good faith, then my first assessment was incorrect. If not... then I'd rather call him on it so that he can respond to the assertion made that "white pride" has nothing to do with pride at all, but rather racism.

    Just sayin'.
    It was not really a question, more of a statement that I should have elaborated on further... But I was busy...

    My true point was simply that I think the idea of "race pride" (be it true pride in your race, a thinly veiled attempt to express hate, or just something people do because people do stupid things) is ridiculous. Why should you be proud of what other people accomplished, how bout "Human pride"? Not to mention all the terriblle things done by people of your race, which isn't restricted to whites.

    Besides I think in very few circumstances is it ever about true pride. Regardless of what word you put before 'pride'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSexKitten View Post
    You seriously don't believe that blacks and Latinos face discrimination???
    Seems recently Hispanics have been pretty good with promoting racism - La Raza ("The Race") and this kind of shit:



    Racial ‘Cleansing’ in L.A.

    Federal prosecutors say a powerful Latino gang systematically targeted rival black gang members and innocent black civilians in a reign of terror.

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