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    One of many troubling things about another Clinton presidency is the question : Who would really be in charge ? A major reason why the Clinton Administration was such a disaster in 1993 and 1994 was because of the heavy involvement of Hillary in the day to day running and workings of the White House. More than Mrs. Wilson who (along with Colonel House) kept up the illiusion that Woodrow was in charge ; more than Eleanor Roosevelt and far more than any other First Lady. She botched the Health Care Task Force; the A.G. nominees; Travelgate and helped precipitate a bunch of other mini-scandals and brouhahas. Veterans of the White House during those first two years ALL say that lines of communication were tangled and lines of authority were blurred so that it was literally unclear at times WHO was really President.

    AFTER the Dems lost both houses of Congress in 1994 ; Hillary was put in the background and Bill had a pretty good run including getting re-elected in 1996 UNTIL the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke in early 1998. That resulted directly from Bill listening to Hillary and NOT settling the Paula Jones case when he could have and should have.

    Based on Bill's behavior during the last month or so it is looking like there will be a disturbingly reminiscent repeat of 1993 and 1994 in a Hillary White House. Bill is not just "helping out"; he is all over this campaign. It is hard to imagine that should Hillary actually get elected, that he will just gracefully slide into the background and let her take the reins. It runs counter to everything we have seen and heard from Bill and is contrary to every bone in his body. He's a Leo. A leader. He craves the spotlight and can't live without it. It's going to make policy-making very difficult ; generate confusion in foreign affairs and is incredibly fertile ground for all sorts of lobbying scandals- wine and dine Bill with plenty of pretty dancing girls to get entre to Hillary. We KNOW something like that; something along those lines is almost GUARANTEED
    to happen if Hillary gets in.

    Right now Bill is fulfilling his function as Hillary's attack dog by chomping on Obama's ankles and Hillary can at least TRY and claim that she is not responsible for everything he says. What about when she is President and Bill continues his role as attacker in chief of Hillary's political rivals and foes ? What if he pokes his nose into some ultra-sensitive national security issue- Korea ? ; Iran ?; Russia ? China ? Cuba ? The possibilities for mischief are endless and potential for disaster all too apparent.

    History has taught that someone must be in charge with emphasis on the "ONE". Divided monarchies and power sharing arrangements do NOT work. Struggle and conflict is inevitable. How can we afford that for the first year or two of a Hillary Presidency? Hillary has acknowledged this very issue and problem by admitting : "We made a LOT of mistakes in 1993 and 1994." I contend that the world is MUCH more dangerous NOW than it was then and that we cannot afford a repeat of a Clinton " 2 for 1 " Co-Presidency.

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    Let me get this straight. I'm getting the feeling that you don't like the Clintons.

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    I don't understand the criticism.

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    Hey, I hate the clintons as much as the next guy (well actually way more than the next guy) but even I think we're starting to beat the topic to death a little.

    Although I think if Hillary gets to the oval office, Bill will go back to whatever he's been doing for the last 7 years... Atleast until she had to run again, or needed to parade him in front of the cameras...

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    I can't think of anything more worrying than Bill hanging around the White House with nothing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    Let me get this straight. I'm getting the feeling that you don't like the Clintons.
    Let's leave the Clintons out of it for a moment. The whole concept of " 2 for 1" Co-Presidents is an awful idea. Remember when Reagan got the Republican Nomination in 1980 and gave serious thought to asking Gerald Ford to be his running mate so they could serve as "co-Presidents" or when Kerry toyed with the idea of having a similar arrangement with John McCain in 2004 ? Fortunately
    wiser heads talked both of them out of the idea and we were spared unecessary fiascos.
    The very idea or concept of a "Co-Presidency" is absurd and unconstitutional. In the case of the Clintons doubly so because Bill is Constitutionally barred from serving again as President. Any failure on his part to observe the Constitutional niceties and follow proper protocol ( and it's almost guaranteed that he won't because he is pathologically incapable of doing so ) will undoubtedly result in a barrage of lawsuits from Right-wing legal groups and perhaps even another round of impeachment proceedings as the Republicans will most likely control Congress again in 2010.

    Is that what the country needs ? That is the other side of the coin with nostalgia for Bill. Along with the good economic times came a LOT of distractions and scandals.

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    Look no offense, but it is impossible to take these complaints seriously. An entrenched opposition party opposes anything and everything about the opposition and normal people try not to pay attention to them. If this is the biggest complaint you have against her then she's probably a pretty good candidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by space_Cadet_28 View Post
    Look no offense, but it is impossible to take these complaints seriously. An entrenched opposition party opposes anything and everything about the opposition and normal people try not to pay attention to them. If this is the biggest complaint you have against her then she's probably a pretty good candidate.
    If you read his posts, this is probably the smallest complaint he has against her. I actually think Stoner is an Obama supporter anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    I can't think of anything more worrying than Bill hanging around the White House with nothing to do.
    What would that be like? Bi-daily MickeyD runs, followed by a little weed (but no inhaling), and maybe finish the day with a quick parade in front of the cameras, so that the people who voted for Hillary will get to see the guy they subconciously voted for?

    Do you think Bill would be allowed to talk to female interns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    What would that be like? Bi-daily MickeyD runs, followed by a little weed (but no inhaling), and maybe finish the day with a quick parade in front of the cameras, so that the people who voted for Hillary will get to see the guy they subconciously voted for?

    Do you think Bill would be allowed to talk to female interns?
    I doubt his current girlfriends would like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by space_Cadet_28 View Post
    Look no offense, but it is impossible to take these complaints seriously. An entrenched opposition party opposes anything and everything about the opposition and normal people try not to pay attention to them. If this is the biggest complaint you have against her then she's probably a pretty good candidate.
    Please see my New Thread- "Why I Refuse to Vote Republican This Year."
    I've been a solid OBAMA supporter since last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Please see my New Thread- "Why I Refuse to Vote Republican This Year."
    I've been a solid OBAMA supporter since last year.
    Believe it or not I am not looking for a fight and I do not know you, but I think it's a pretty good assumption that this amount of dislike comes from being in the political opposition. It's funny how so many democrats viscerally hate Nancy Reagan and how few republicans do. Of all the things in the world to complain about you spent three paragraphs to complain about a process or procedural issue of a president than a more solid issue.

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    that's funny, last night i asked a customer who he wants to win and why, and he said hillary because bill would be backing her.

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    I could think of worse things than Bill Clinton hanging around the White House.

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    I've been a solid OBAMA supporter since last year.
    you could have also said 'I've been a solid OBAMA supporter for most of his career in national politics' - which would have been a true statement given your one year time frame !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by space_Cadet_28 View Post
    Believe it or not I am not looking for a fight and I do not know you, but I think it's a pretty good assumption that this amount of dislike comes from being in the political opposition. It's funny how so many democrats viscerally hate Nancy Reagan and how few republicans do. Of all the things in the world to complain about you spent three paragraphs to complain about a process or procedural issue of a president than a more solid issue.
    Not at all. I can't stand Tom De Lay, Hastert, Asscroft, Duncan Hunter,Foley, Santorum, Craig and several others and last time I checked they were all Republicans.

    While I have STRONG policy disagreements with the Clintons that is NOT the source of my antipathy towards them. There are lots of people I disagree with that I don't have a problem with on a personal level. The reasons I don't like him and can't stand her are based on their total and complete phoniness; their willingness to re-write history; their lack of ethics; their lack of loyalty; their total selfishness and as we have seen, that they will do or say anything just to win an election.

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    Btw, a little food for thought for those NOT troubled by the prospect of another
    "Co-Presidency"- How'd you like the results of the Bush-Cheney arrangement ?
    Want to repeat someone in the White House having unaccountable power ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by britt244 View Post
    that's funny, last night i asked a customer who he wants to win and why, and he said hillary because bill would be backing her.
    That sums up about 75% of her support.

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    ^^^ It's the truth...

    As much as I enjoyed seeing Bill give a speech, it was a little annoying that it was a speech on Hilary's behalf for Hilary's campaign. Just seemed a little nepotistic to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    you could have also said 'I've been a solid OBAMA supporter for most of his career in national politics' - which would have been a true statement given your one year time frame !!!
    Obama has the same amount of Senate experience that Bobby Kennedy had when he ran in '68. He has more experience in elected office than Lincoln and both Roosevelts.

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    Read today's front page story in the New York Times to see Bill's potential for mischief. It was bad enough that he undercut U.S. policy re: Kazakhstan but he couldn't even get on the same page as Hillary !

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