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    I've just always sensed that there is some form of higher being; after all, creation is way too complex and perfect to have just happened by accident. Something had to be guiding evolution, designing physics, and putting it all together.

    But I too had an experience. I met my ex-husband when I was 17, so I had never been really alone. When I was in Australia, he left to go back to the States and I had to stay in Oz for six more months to finish my degree. I spent the first few weeks on my first solo road trip (it was a semester break), just driving around the country by myself. I wound up in Tasmania, one of the most beautiful and remote places on earth.

    On my first morning there, I hiked at dawn up Cradle Mountain, and sat on a rock overlooking Dove Lake to watch the rest of the sunrise. This is where it was:



    I had been nervous and panicky, terrified of my solitude, afraid to speak to people, distraught over where my life was going. But I sat on that huge rock and watched the lake, which was glassy and perfectly still, and there was no sound. No leaves rustling, no birds, just vast and profound quiet. There's something in the Bible that refers to the presence of G-d as "a still, small voice" and that's sort of what spoke to me - no one actually spoke in the sense we understand it, but I got the sensation of a warm and loving embrace, and I knew in a moment that I was going to be all right. I suddenly understood that I was strong and capable, and I was a match for anything life threw at me, and I could be alone if I needed to be but I didn't need to be afraid of companionship either.

    When the embrace sensation lifted, so did all my fear and stress. I haven't been afraid of death since that morning, because I know it will come when it's time and not a minute sooner. I haven't stressed about things I can't change since then, either. I know there is a higher plan and everything will work out the way it's supposed to.
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    I think of God as an energy or force ... like gravity .. can't see it, but you know its there

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    [quote=miabella;1377788]from what i understand, the big bang concept was conceived by a Christian, to offer a scientific background for ex nihilo creation....quote]

    This is a commonly accepted theory of the Beginning, not anyone's pet idea, but widely accepted. According to Wikipedia and other sources) the origins are...
    "During the 1930s other ideas were proposed as non-standard cosmologies to explain Hubble's observations, including the Milne model,[9] the oscillatory universe (originally suggested by Friedmann, but advocated by Einstein and Richard Tolman)[10] and Fritz Zwicky's tired light hypothesis.[11]
    After World War II, two distinct possibilities emerged. One was Fred Hoyle's steady state model, whereby new matter would be created as the universe seemed to expand. In this model, the universe is roughly the same at any point in time.[12] The other was Lemaître's Big Bang theory, advocated and developed by George Gamow, who introduced big bang nucleosynthesis[13] and whose associates, Ralph Alpher and Robert Herman, predicted the cosmic microwave background (CMB).[14] It is an irony that it was Hoyle who coined the name that would come to be applied to Lemaître's theory, referring to it as "this big bang idea" during a 1950 BBC radio broadcast.[15][16] For a while, support was split between these two theories. Eventually, the observational evidence, most notably from radio source counts, began to favor the latter. The discovery of the cosmic microwave background radiation in 1964[17] secured the Big Bang as the best theory of the origin and evolution of the cosmos. Much of the current work in cosmology includes understanding how galaxies form in the context of the Big Bang, understanding the physics of the universe at earlier and earlier times, and reconciling observations with the basic theory."
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    i feel god because everything always works out for me in the end. not to say bad things dont happen to me, they definitely do! but what alot of people would call luck, i call god. I feel thats its because of him that i am able to handle everything that is placed in front of me, and i don't think its just that im so great at dealing, but that he gives me the tools i need.

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    Like most everyone else I believe in a higher power. And like a few others I am a Christian. Within my realm of experience, realizing God is more a mental realization and less an emotional revelation.

    I see God as love, purely and completely, and I like to believe that all things will be reconciled to that same level of purity at some point in the eteranl future. All things, each one of us, reconciled, at peace, adoring the creator.

    We do not earn or forge our way to such a high station. Instead, we are lifted to that level by an act of love.

    The Christian God, in my view, allows unbridled free will to operate and offers a choice - believe or not believe. Simple.

    Some will forge onward toward a Christian spiritual muturity and will realize " a peace beyond all understanding" but strangely God promises great underserved suffering along the way to those who follow that path.


    Christianity is a relationship not a religion in my view. I realize there is every kind of bastarded form of Christian doctrine and I can't speak for what others believe but you are asking for personal viewpoint. I believe that God's perfection lies well beyond the means of man to satisfy and that is why God the Son was sent to perform what we cannot, we can't even imagine it and yet grace rests upon us. No amount of human work, no degree of sincerity of mind, no set of behaviors, or purity of thoughts can match God's own state of being - instead we are inhabited by God the Holy Spirit. God became man - undiminished diety/true humanity - to do for us what we cannot do for ourselves, the result is a perfect we cannot craft by ourselves. Christianity is a relationship not a religious system for satisfying God.

    I believe the magnificent first created being, Lucifer, is the open and declared enemy of God and man.

    I believe in other stuff too.

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    I believe in prayer and have a list of about seven email addresses to which I send prayer requests. Each of those people sends the prayers on to others. One is a Catholic nun who sends the prayers to Jesuits. Another is a Lutheran minister who is the head of an organization called Prayer Watch International. Yet another is a native American who sends her prayer lists to Native American spiritual leaders, Christians, Muslims, Jews, and to Agnostics and Atheists who believe that positive thoughts can influence the world.

    Examples of prayers answered:

    My sister-in-law had a growth on the roof of her mouth. The oral surgeon who removed it said it ws the first one in his career that was not malignant.

    The daughter of my wife's co-worker had a rare disease that results from a double recessive gene combination. It affects one in a million births, and most die before they are a year old. Nobody had ever been cured of it. An experimental bone marrow transplant was tried, and at this time she is alive and recovering.

    My friend was in a motorcycle accident with her husband. He had broken bones, but she was more severely injured and on life support. We prayed that she would be healed, but she died when the family removed the life support. BUT when they did the autopsy, she had ovarian cancer which had metastasized all throughher body, and had she lived she would have died in agony. Healing does not always mean getting well. Sometimes it means dying and going to heaven.

    Four children I taught had parents who were tweakers. Regular, horrible fights took place in the house, and the children were eventually placed in foster homes. We prayed for them. The parents got off drugs, go ttheir children back, and are now living a happy life together.

    Sure, all these could be coincidence.

    My personal experience with God:

    I was teaching teacher inservice and I had spent an hour and a half moving supplies for the course from the basement into my classroom, which was used for children during the day. At the last moment, with ten minutes to go until class started, I noticed that I had lost my plans for the class, which were on 3x5 index cards. I looked everywhere and could not find them. Then I sat down and prayed. I felt something like the vibration of electricity go through my body, and then I stood up, but not of my own volition. I walked like I was a puppet to the back corner of the room, where I found the 3x5 cards on a shelf where I did not remember ever placing them. The electric vibration stopped.

    Self delusion? Maybe? I don't think so, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    I found the thread entitled "Do you believe in God?" very interesting reading, so I thought I would post this question. I've been asking how to believe in god all my life.

    So my question is this: How do you know God exists? Is it a feeling, something that happened (like a miracle), a vision, do you hear the voice of god or is it something else?

    So, what am I missing?

    I heard that saying, "That's why it's called faith" ,Frequently I've wondered if there is something wrong with me that I cannot identify a deity in the universe...Or something right?
    For me this discussion starts with a couple of other topics

    The difference between and,



    IMO faith is believing something that you do not have absolute evidence to support.

    Believing is thinking something is true.

    So faith = thinking something is true that I can't absolutely prove.

    Hence the term leap of faith.

    I have faith that god exists because I believe he does, but I can't absolutely prove it.

    I believe God does exist because the further I studied things with Science, the less I understood. Complexity, interdependence, beauty, randomness, symmetry... The list goes on and on. For me, they all began to proclaim something greater. But none of these things prove the existence of God. But when taken all together, in my experience I just came to a place where I believed, and its was a leap of faith. I couldn't prove it, it just became right, I believed, I had faith in that belief.

    Predestination - One explanation, as lame as it seems to me, god only reveals him/her/it self to the chosen. So unless god chooses you, you are left out. Hence the whole free will argument.

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    At one point in my life I was a true believer. Now am I not. The bible is no longer "proof" for me of anything. If I accept it as "proof" then I need to accept any other story, no matter how preposterous on the grounds that some humans wrote something down. In fact, as far as I can see, no religious person actually believes that a written document counts as proof. What is the proof of that? That they are now very selective over which documents they choose to believe as truth. In particular the people of the book are in significant disagreement over what is truth versus what was made up by humans. Where is the proof??? I see none of it. All I see is selective faith.

    In fact, if one wanted too, it could be argued that if there was such a thing as the "Devil" that his greatest tool would be human willingness to believe something, no matter how preposterous or dangerous, and believe it strictly baised on faith. Arguably it's those who don't demand proof that are the most likely to fall for lies, false stories, and false history.

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    I read through both the original thread and this one, and I'm excited and proud about how we've been able to respectfully & openly discuss this topic.

    I was raised Catholic, though these days my church-going is limited to holidays, weddings, and funerals. I have, however, always believed in God.

    A few events surrounding my sister's death in 2002 really cemented my belief in God (or at the very least of a higher power/consciousness surrounding us).

    1) The day my sister passed, I was leaving the office and before reaching my car I tripped over my feet while walking through the parking lot.. Later that night my mom called to tell me my sister had passed. The time of death was roughly the same time that I tripped in the parking lot.

    2) Two days later I was driving from my house to London Heathrow Airport (about a four-hour drive) for my flight that would take me home to San Jose for the funeral. About halfway, I stopped at a service area for a nap and some coffee. I walk into the coffee shop at the service area, and a song comes over the speakers at that moment - "Do You Know The Way To San Jose" by Dionne Warwick.

    3) The day of the funeral, after Mass everyone made their way to the cemetery. As the pastor was beginning the funeral service, everyone was spread out around the plot. Suddenly the skies opened up and it began raining. As it did, the pastor stopped so everyone could huddle close to the plot (and the protective covers next to it). Once everyone had gotten up close, the pastor began again...and the rain stopped.

    Coincidences? Probably. Blind faith? Highly likely. But I believe what I do.
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    For me-I don't know that god exists. And I don't believe in on all-powerful all-knowing god, so I'm sure that's a lot of it. I know I grew up 'seeing things' much to the dismay of my uber-pentacostal mom. I know that I had a series of dreams calling me to my particular path. It's just what makes sense to me. To me: there's lots that's invisible to us in the world, but we're part of it. Some of it we call science, some of it 'the supernatural'. I'm just glad I'm here to see how it all works.

    It's totally feeling. I don't want proof. I'd really hate to be 'right' to the exclusion of others. I think everyone is wired differently and I think it's none of my business what another person believes unless they are harming people.

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    I do not beleive in god at all, i believe in my ability to change my reality and perform miracles at will. I'm not saying that religious people cant believe in themselves but they believe in something which controls a big part of themselves. i actually kinda wish i thought we go somewhere where we are rewarded for our good behaviour after this life. but i really cant!

    In the words of douglas adams 'isnt it enough to see that a garden is beautiful, without having to believe there are fairies at the bottom of it too?'

    and i'm very unafraid of death. These are lovely stories, and i appriciate how calmly the hot topic of religion has been delt with!

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    How do I believe...?

    These are webcam pictures of Polaroids I took of my car after I was in an accident. I walked away from this.

    (In the first pic you can see the right side of the car buckled all the way to the side passenger door from the force of the impact. In the second pic, you can see the dent my ribcage left in the middle of the steering wheel.)

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    My beliefs regarding God and theology in general have evolved over time. IMO, theology (the belief and/or study of "God") is something not to be confused with religion. I tend to think that if there is a God, it would be best to find your own personal approach, rather than trying to shoehorn yourself into someone else's preconceived notion of what it all means. My grandfather once said to me "I don't need some church full of nagging hens to find God. I can find Him just fine in my woodshop or at the end of my fishing pole." (Or something to that effect.)

    As long as we are basing our beliefs on feelings, I think it is wise to consider the possibility that maybe more than one person is correct. And since in the final analysis, God is currently beyond "proof" or physics or mortal comprehension, maybe we shouldn't get too worked up about the details.

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    Wow, I came accross this and thought I would bump it...as I think it's interesting...

    I personally have always felt close to God, just I have a general sense of the presence of God in my life...If that makes sense? I feel that He is definitely interested in what I'm doing, loves me, etc.

    Then I look at all the things that happen that are so inexplicable...From my own experience, I'm Catholic, so I will use this as examples: I don't understand how people can look at all the miracles that happen at Medjegorie, Fatima, etc and can not believe in God. Literally, the blind are made to see and people who were paralyzed can walk, etc. To me that's like, living proof of God. I don't think miracles are limited to people of my faith of course, but...it's pretty good evidence and thats why I bring this up. There may be similar things happening out there to people of other faiths that I'm just not aware of. Again, If you are a total skeptic I guess you could say that for fourty years hundreds and thousands of people have been faking those miracles, but I kind of think that's like saying a man never walked on the moon...

    Beyond that, I personally have a special devotion to the Virgin Mary. Contrary to popular belief, Catholics don't "worship" the Virgin Mary or saints or anything like that. We do believe however that people who have passed beyond into eternal life can pray for us, much the same way I can ask a friend to pray for me. Anyways, not to write fourty pages, but I personally have an easier time sometimes talking to Mary than to Jesus, because she is a mom, she has that mommy love for all of us, and she always has our backs. I've also heard it said in my religion and I think it's true that people (like myself) who have never been close to their fathers but have a close relation to their moms find it easier and more understandable to interact with Mary.

    Which brings me to my last point...while I personally believe that Jesus did exist, and that my faith is based in reality, I believe that God can manifest himself to you in whatever way needed. Because of the experiences some of us have had in life, we can't all be the same religion, it's silly. For instance if you were raised in an abusive household and your parents punished you with religion, or whatever, obviously that is not going to be a religion that appeals to you...

    So I am a believer in the many paths lead to one road. If you look at what Jesus said, not what crazy propoganda "Christians" push, it is to love your neighbor, and to be a fair and good person. I mean Jesus wasn't exactly in with mainstream society, you know? He was looked down on, ran with a bunch of basically "hippies" including Mary Magdalene, who was a prostitue. Jesus didn't hang out with the rich people, and he hated their way of life.

    What I really belive about God is that he wants us to do no harm to other people. To try to be good, and honest, and to do our best to help out people who need help. To not be bogged down by material things (which is not to say we shouldn't have nice things, but don't fuck people over to get them.)

    Finally, I personally believe that there is a huge difference between rejecting God and not believing in God. I think that it is awful if you really experience the presence of God in your life but you tell him you don't want to be with Him, but if you don't get the feeling of God, but you really do your best to honor your fellow man, well....you're allright in my book, and his too as far as I can tell.

    Oh, and if anybody is interested, St Nicholas is the patron saint of sex workers so anybody who thinks that Catholicism is all about hating on strippers, prostitutes etc, obviously not, cause we have our own saint lol. Also, I really belive if you need somebody to sit down and listen to you, ask the Blesed Virgin for help, she's always got time.
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    Oh, and if anybody is interested, St Nicholas is the patron saint of sex workers so anybody who thinks that Catholicism is all about hating on strippers, prostitutes etc, obviously not, cause we have our own saint lol. .
    Really? I was raised Catholic(though I'm not anymore) and was always taught that he was the patron saint of children. Can you point me towards info that says he is the patron of sex workers? I'd like to read that.

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    Okay, here is what I found:

    http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=45

    I'll look for a better one, this one is not very specific. But yeah, he is the patron st of Children, unmarried women, pawn brokers, and a lot of other people!

    Also Mary Magdalene too is a good one for sex workers....
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    I use to be a Christian and a believer, does that count?

    In retrospect I saw no evidence of his existence, but I convinced myself I did.

    Since 99% of the prayers came down to obvious results (e.g., person sees doctor, person gets better via treatment), I could chalk up a lot to God. When it didn't work out, no problem, I convinced myself it was "God's Will".

    I never really saw anything obviously miraculous. Not one blind person mystically saw again. No amputee ever regrew a limb. Not a single brain damaged person magically was healed. The speaking in tongues thing is an example to me know of pure nonsense. People speaking gibberish - kids do this as a game, and never once any shred of evidence that the spoke a real language, no more so then what they might have picked up during the course of living.

    I did work with mentally ill people and developmentally disabled people for a long time. All I learned is we are fragile, our brains are chemical based and fragile, and none of us are immune to potential brain damage or brain chemistry issues affecting our cognition.

    One day I looked around the Church and I thought, OMG, me, and all of these people are sitting here in a mass delusion, wasting away a big portion of the day doing absolutely nothing useful but self-stimulating. Imagine if we actually stopped this ritualistic nonsense and actually did something useful for others? But I realized that too was a lie. Few of us really want to do that. We just want the reward of feeling good about ourselves and believing we are good vs the hard work of actually helping. Such is human nature.

    Do I I sound like a pessimist? LOL. Maybe I am. But in practical terms, I honestly don't see most religious people doing anything useful that non-religious people aren't doing.

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    i believe in god, i believe in an afterlife, and i believe in reincarnation...i dont really know how to explain as to why i do, but...i do. i do not believe in pretending to know everything, and i certainly dont believe in chastising people who believe differently then me. i consider myself spiritual, christianity is a bad word in my mind, it makes me thing of all the self rightious dickweeds, priests that molest children, and the giant "jesus christ incorporated" corporate religious stuff.

    this coming from someone who used to be a satanist. lol. i had the right idea i was just going about it all wrong what can i say.

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    Uhhh...I believe in...ummm...thingy?

    I was raised as a bit of a buddhist so I believe in all that fun karma/reincarnation/etc. stuff, but when it comes down to an actual diety, I'm not really picky. I definitely think there's a sort of council somewhere in the universe, but I don't believe in "God" as the one and only god.

    My version of prayer in desperate or sad circumstances is just kinda talking to the universe, asking whatever forces may be out there to pitch in.
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    Okay, here is what I found:

    http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=45

    I'll look for a better one, this one is not very specific. But yeah, he is the patron st of Children, unmarried women, pawn brokers, and a lot of other people!

    Also Mary Magdalene too is a good one for sex workers....
    Interesting..he's a busy saint!LOL
    I'd heard of Mary Magdalene as a patron saint of "fallen women"..but never St Nick!

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    ^^^

    Legend has it that there was this guy who was really poor and he had three daughters. The dad was going to have to sell them into prostitution if he couldn't come up with money (IE a dowry) to get them married. Keep in mind, back hundreds of years ago, being a pro wasn't exactly what it was now. It sucked. Like sucked balls...haha.

    Anyway, St Nick had the money, and he gave it to the dad so he wouldn't have to sell his daughters.

    Also, St Nick was always looking out for prostitutes in general...making sure they wern't hurt, etc.

    He is also the patron st of PawnBrokers, oddly enough...if you ever go to a pawn shop and see the three bags of gold coins, you know, in their add/display or whatever, they have a devotion to St Nick.

    Pretty cool huh?
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    God loves strippers and when guys do things like that its an automatic ticket to HELL!


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    Perhaps you stopped spending money on her. Strippers need money to operate. They are like coin operated juke-boxes of love.

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    Not a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasPrincess View Post
    Beyond that, I personally have a special devotion to the Virgin Mary. Contrary to popular belief, Catholics don't "worship" the Virgin Mary or saints or anything like that. We do believe however that people who have passed beyond into eternal life can pray for us, much the same way I can ask a friend to pray for me. Anyways, not to write fourty pages, but I personally have an easier time sometimes talking to Mary than to Jesus, because she is a mom, she has that mommy love for all of us, and she always has our backs. I've also heard it said in my religion and I think it's true that people (like myself) who have never been close to their fathers but have a close relation to their moms find it easier and more understandable to interact with Mary.
    Funny, you sound just like my mom. She really believes that Mary takes a personal interest in her daily life, asks for her advice raising my brothers and such, and prays to Mary all the time. She says it's like having a neighbor whose son grew up to be rich and famous, and you go to the neighbor when you need something and ask her to ask her son about it for you. I guess she finds Mary more approachable.

    Me, I've never had any Christian leanings whatsoever. Guess I was born Jewish to a Catholic family, go figure.

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