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    We used to have a company in Utah called Clean Flix. It edited Hollywood movies by taking out the swear words and dirty parts. For instance, it edited Titanic by taking out Kate Winslet's bare boobs, the scene where she and Leo have sex in the car, and the scene where he draws her in the nude. They were sued for copyright infringement and lost.

    So now, the guy who owned this company has been arrested for paying a fourteen year old girl $20 for a blow job. What a hypocrite!

    Here is the link.

    http://www.sltrib.com//ci_8083729

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    Whatever it takes to shut them down. That company is absolutely vile. They have no right to fuck around with other people's art! If they don't want to see tits, they shouldn't rent a movie with tits in it, period.

    So yeah, I'm sad and sickened that the girl was abused but I'm glad they caught and exposed him.

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    What will BYU show at their theaters now?

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    The article made no mention of him being a cheapass, either. Seriously...$20? WTF!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dangerousdiva View Post
    What will BYU show at their theaters now?
    No teen comedies, I hope.

    Yup, those who protest the loudest. Ick. That story made me ill.

    ETA: "The booking documents state Thompson told the 14-year-olds that his film sanitizing business was a cover for a pornography studio. He asked the girls if they would participate in making a porn movie, but they refused, the documents state.
    Police found a "large quantity" of pornographic movies inside the business, along with a keg of beer, painkillers and two cameras hooked up to a television."


    Was he a pornographer, too? What a cover.
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    Men will pay for sex, no matter what their occupations are.

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    You know, this has been a topic of (very careful) debate in my family. I actually have a large Mormon segment of my family that I love dearly and respect, and they used to go to Clean Flix all the time, and were saddened that it was shut down. They live in Provo itself, arguably the most Mormon place in all of Utah.

    This was, of course, before this news - and the irony is that my mom is an award-wnning prosecutor who specializes in child abuse and child sexual abuse. She's done a lot of pretty high-profile cases, like the BYU gang rape a few years ago. It's more than a possibility that SHE might have to prosecute him herself. I'm totally serious.

    But, the issue that we go back and forth on - and I tread very carefully with them about this, as I'm a guest in their home and community and don't want to overstep - is whether something like Clean Flix is okay, and why. I'm with Yekhefah, really; if you don't want to hear bad language or see nudity, the ratings board has made it VERY easy to avoid those movies altogether. I do NOT think it's your right to just cut anything you don't like out of someone else's work.

    But my mom's argument is that she thinks a lot of movies have great value and worth and good things to say - she just doesn't want her kids exposed to bad language and nudity. For example, she thought Good Will Hunting was an excellent film and she wanted my brothers to see it - but she never would have felt comfortable showing it to them with the language as-is. They rented the Clean Flix version and they were all happy with that.

    I didn't have a great answer for her on that. I tried to explain that that language was the way the characters were written, and part of what made them realistic, which is what I strongly feel, but her point of view was that she didn't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    Any thoughts on this? I know it's kind of a digression off the topic of underaged blow jobs, but I've always had a hard time articulating why I think this is an especially sneaky & unacceptable form of censorship.
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    Follow-up: Wow, this was in Orem. This really might fall to my mom. I'll have to call her about it later.

    Bummer to be a Mormon today. This on top of their current prophet dying. (Wonder what kind of appearance Romney might make?)
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    Glad to see Clean Flix has been shut down and a bit of schadenfreude to see him be arrested for soliciting sex from a minor.

    If people want their kids to see a movie that has bad language, sex, innuendo etc. in it but think it has a good moral message... wait until they are old enough to handle it, or don't show them at all.

    Do not fuck with someone else's work and deliberately encourage copyright violation.
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    ^^^ Word. I write and shoot sex and profanity for a reason. If your kid is too fragile to hear someone say "fuck," or if he'll dissolve into a puddle of sin at the sight of a titty, then he's not cut out for the world and can't handle a movie with a complex message anyway.

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    Bwahahahahaha!! Serves these idiots right.

    Quote Originally Posted by RoseWhite View Post
    But my mom's argument is that she thinks a lot of movies have great value and worth and good things to say - she just doesn't want her kids exposed to bad language and nudity. For example, she thought Good Will Hunting was an excellent film and she wanted my brothers to see it - but she never would have felt comfortable showing it to them with the language as-is. They rented the Clean Flix version and they were all happy with that.

    I didn't have a great answer for her on that. I tried to explain that that language was the way the characters were written, and part of what made them realistic, which is what I strongly feel, but her point of view was that she didn't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    Any thoughts on this?
    I think if someone wants to buy a copy of a movie and make alterations to it for their own personal use, thats fine by my book. Although it might be a bit time consuming, not to mention next to impossible with DVD technology. Once they start distributing the edited copies, either for free or for sale, they've stepped over the line.

    If Hollywood thought there was enough profit motive in edited movies, they'd likely be churning out edited versions themselves, much like the music industry puts out edited CDs. From what I'm told, breweries make a low-point (3.2) beer for sale in Utah that general stores there can sell. Soft drink makers have caffeine free versions of their products there. Its good business for them to do so.

    I guess with respect to movies, there's not enough of a target demographic to make edited versions cost effective to produce. Maybe the folks in Utah (the LDS included) really prefer the dirty ones after all.
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    I concur. Rose, I know where you're coming from--the subtle "cleansing" of material despite the writer's intention. If the writer (and everyone else involved in the project) agreed to re-release it in an edited fashion, that'd be one thing. But this is clearly not. On a related note, who does the "radio edits" of songs, the radio station or the artist? I honestly don't know.

    Although there are tons of movies with gratuitous language and sex which don't contribute anything to the characters or plot. But uhhhh those movies are usually ones I wouldn't want to see anyway. (With the notable exception of porn.)


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    Sigh. Go figure.
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    I love it when people tell me how to live my life and judge me for what I do. There is so much worse out there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoseWhite View Post
    You know, this has been a topic of (very careful) debate in my family. I actually have a large Mormon segment of my family that I love dearly and respect, and they used to go to Clean Flix all the time, and were saddened that it was shut down. They live in Provo itself, arguably the most Mormon place in all of Utah.

    This was, of course, ...But my mom's argument is that she thinks a lot of movies have great value and worth and good things to say - she just doesn't want her kids exposed to bad language and nudity. For example, she thought Good Will Hunting was an excellent film and she wanted my brothers to see it - but she never would have felt comfortable showing it to them with the language as-is. They rented the Clean Flix version and they were all happy with that.
    ......

    Any thoughts on this? I know it's kind of a digression off the topic of underaged blow jobs, but I've always had a hard time articulating why I think this is an especially sneaky & unacceptable form of censorship.

    I guess I stand alone on this because I am with your mother but only if done so with the approval of the movies owner.
    The editing being done is not censorship but a service being supplied to people that want it done. The movie company is still benefiting because the movie is being rented, no?

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    Well... from a copyright perspective there is something called "moral rights" (which are not what they might sound like to Mormons) that are meant to protect the integrity of the work. The U.S. is one of few signatories to international copyright law that doesn't explicitly protect moral rights, but I believe they generally substantively protect moral rights, regardless (I actually think they might have to according to international treaties that the U.S. has a fairly substantial interest in upholding - that is, they have more to lose from the "watering down" of copyright law than... pretty much anyone else). It is just not legal to alter the work without the permission of the owner of the moral rights (which I assume, although I'm not sure, would belong to the studio; they generally cannot be assigned, but can only be waived). If your mom is a lawyer, she should be able to relate to that argument.

    It might seem like hedging; ultimately, the question of whether a work is integrally or substantially changed by removing Kate Winslet's anatomy is a little beyond my ken; I think that kind of issue could only be determined or argued on a case by case basis by experts in film and literary theory and history - like "do you need the word "shit" there, or will "bloody hell" do? Or is that still swearing? I don't even know anymore. Like if we're looking at it as an issue of artistic merit rather than copyright infringement. Fortunately there are more than enough artists (or studios) absolutely willing to authorize such changes to their work for certain audiences in certain situations. Like, James Cameron (or whoever owns the moral rights to Titanic) would very likely be glad to authorize the editing of that scene if it meant making a few million dollars in Utah he might not otherwise make - I mean, they edit Titanic for TV. I'd suggest that the problem was likely that he was not getting that permission; which sort of leads to the question on whether he had any re-viewing permissions at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by RoseWhite View Post
    You know, this has been a topic of (very careful) debate in my family. I actually have a large Mormon segment of my family that I love dearly and respect, and they used to go to Clean Flix all the time, and were saddened that it was shut down. They live in Provo itself, arguably the most Mormon place in all of Utah.

    This was, of course, before this news - and the irony is that my mom is an award-wnning prosecutor who specializes in child abuse and child sexual abuse. She's done a lot of pretty high-profile cases, like the BYU gang rape a few years ago. It's more than a possibility that SHE might have to prosecute him herself. I'm totally serious.

    But, the issue that we go back and forth on - and I tread very carefully with them about this, as I'm a guest in their home and community and don't want to overstep - is whether something like Clean Flix is okay, and why. I'm with Yekhefah, really; if you don't want to hear bad language or see nudity, the ratings board has made it VERY easy to avoid those movies altogether. I do NOT think it's your right to just cut anything you don't like out of someone else's work.

    But my mom's argument is that she thinks a lot of movies have great value and worth and good things to say - she just doesn't want her kids exposed to bad language and nudity. For example, she thought Good Will Hunting was an excellent film and she wanted my brothers to see it - but she never would have felt comfortable showing it to them with the language as-is. They rented the Clean Flix version and they were all happy with that.

    I didn't have a great answer for her on that. I tried to explain that that language was the way the characters were written, and part of what made them realistic, which is what I strongly feel, but her point of view was that she didn't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    Any thoughts on this? I know it's kind of a digression off the topic of underaged blow jobs, but I've always had a hard time articulating why I think this is an especially sneaky & unacceptable form of censorship.
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    Well...they do screen sanitized versions of movies when stations broadcast them on television. You wouldn't hear the F or S word or see bare boobs if NBC or CBS showed the movie. So there is precedent for doing so. (Edit: I just read the above post making the same point.) Likewise, Wal-mart and, I think, Target also sell edited versions of music. That said, trying to make a profit by editing and distributing altered movies *without permission* is not cool.

    Maybe the production studios should consider the market for "clean" versions of their product. Seems to me like it'd be an unexplored market that has potential. Considering how many versions the studios already pump out (full screen, widescreen, extended version, box set, etc), it would be another source of revenue and then they could control the presentation too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aviendha View Post
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    Maybe the production studios should consider the market for "clean" versions of their product. Seems to me like it'd be an unexplored market that has potential. Considering how many versions the studios already pump out (full screen, widescreen, extended version, box set, etc), it would be another source of revenue and then they could control the presentation too.
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    Sometimes I think the super religious are deep down the biggest perverts and try to use religion as a check and balance on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lestat1 View Post
    The article made no mention of him being a cheapass, either. Seriously...$20? WTF!
    I know! $20? Are they effing serious?
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    If your kid is too fragile to hear someone say "fuck," or if he'll dissolve into a puddle of sin at the sight of a titty, then he's not cut out for the world and can't handle a movie with a complex message anyway.
    Indeed. No one is suggesting that we need to immerse kids into Caligula everyday, but Christ on a bicycle, if you don't think your kids can handle some tits and ass (or God forbid, a penis--how often do you see that in mainstream films?) then they're in for a rough life.
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    I don't get why people are coming so hard down on this place? I mean I get the idea of hating the guy for being a hypocritical perv, but why hate on the people who wanted to see movies "cleaned"?

    I mean I understand the idea of art and not exposing people to something if there not old enough to handle it. But who and what does this place hurt? I mean if your a person whos religion prohibits you from seeing certain things, or whatever, but you still want to see a great movie like Titanic or whatever then this place is nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    ^^^ Word. I write and shoot sex and profanity for a reason. If your kid is too fragile to hear someone say "fuck," or if he'll dissolve into a puddle of sin at the sight of a titty, then he's not cut out for the world and can't handle a movie with a complex message anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    Indeed. No one is suggesting that we need to immerse kids into Caligula everyday, but Christ on a bicycle, if you don't think your kids can handle some tits and ass (or God forbid, a penis--how often do you see that in mainstream films?) then they're in for a rough life.
    What? Obviously neither of you have been in a classroom of high school seniors. They can't handle nudity or "bad" words unless the teacher gives them a lecture beforehand. Some of those kids can vote.

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    You guys are too much. Why post when one side does this, and not the other.

    Dr. Kinsey used known pedophiles and sex offenders as his research subjects. Why does the left still worship him? Because he validated their 'behavior', perhaps?

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