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    China woman in legal first over abortion case
    By Richard Spencer in Beijing
    Last Updated: 1:29am GMT 07/01/2008

    A Chinese woman who was forced to have an abortion despite being nine months pregnant is suing the authorities for their actions.

    Jin Yani's waters had already broken when China's abortion police came for her. They took her to a nearby abortion centre, injected her unborn baby girl and removed the body two days later.

    Mrs Jin's crime was to have become pregnant by her fiance five months before she married him at the age of 20, the legal minimum.


    Pregnancy outside marriage is illegal. But forced abortions are now supposed to be illegal in China.

    In a blow against the state's brutally imposed one-child policy, she and her husband are claiming danmages against the authorities, saying that officials acted unlawfully.

    China's higher courts have agreed to hear the plea - the first time this has happened in a case of this kind.

    Yang Zhongchen, her husband, tried to prevent the abortion by wining and dining officials in Hebei province. He also agreed to pay a fine of £650, but none of this prevented Changli county family planning officials arriving on Sept 7, 2000.

    Mrs Jin said: "I got on my knees and begged them after they took me to the clinic and said I wanted to give birth to my daughter. I had already named her Yang Yin."

    In the clinic, she was injected with a large syringe. Her husband arrived in time to witness the removal of the dead foetus with forceps two days later.
    Mrs Jin lost blood, and was hospitalised for 44 days. Her husband was charged for the medicine she needed. He said that his wife is now infertile as a result of the abortion.

    Mr Yang has demanded £85,000 to cover medical expenses, psychological distress and Mrs Jin's inability to conceive.

    At first the case got nowhere, but the regional people's court agreed to hear the couple's appeal in October. At that point, Mr Yang said that officials made contact offering him a job and free hospital treatment for his wife. But that is not enough, he said.

    "They have made no mention of damages," he said while on a visit to Beijing to meet his lawyer. "We can get a job anywhere."

    But the couple say they can never truly be compensated.

    "Our baby will never come back," Mrs Jin said. "We just hope this kind of thing will never happen again."



    Wow. How absolutely horrible. I'm glad they are fighting back, although it's tragically late for both them and undoubtedly thousands if not millions of other parents over the years...


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    that is just awful! i guess i dont really pay enough attention to the world around me because i did not know that they would actually come to you and force an abortion if you are preganant and not married! wow...just wow!

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    NINE months pregnant and her water broke? Thats not an abortion..thats infanticide.

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    Since when is forced abortion illegal in China? Did they ban it? They've been doing it for decades. Under Chinese law, you need a permit to conceive. All sexually active women are required to be on birth control and go for a pelvic exam every six months, and any pregnancy for which there isn't a permit is terminated. There are a lot of horror stories regarding this policy.

    I'm amazed and delighted that the court is hearing the case. That's excellent news and shows real improvement in Chinese leadership. Good for them. I'm so sorry about that poor couple though... what a tragedy.

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    I feel so ignorant, I had no idea it was THAT strict. I knew about the one-child-limit thing but I never really thought about how they enforced it. 9 months and they STILL did it...


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    I love China but it's things like this that make me ashamed of my country. It breaks my heart to know how the government coudn't give a shit about basic human rights; how millions of fetuses are aborted each year (most of them female), more people executed than anywhere else in the world COMBINED, without a fair trial and their organs sold to the black market without their consent, I could go on and on.. but they simply don't care to change. They are apathetic to people's suffering. Seriously, fuck the Chinese government.

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    That is HORRIBLE. I can't even imagine the kind of pain she and her husband must be going through. Even if she DOES manage to win the case, that amount of money doesn't do the situation justice.
    Last edited by TheSexKitten; 01-31-2008 at 07:37 PM.

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    oh my god that seriously broke my heart



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    I think that is REALLY fucked up It makes me sad

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    That's just sick..
    If you are timid enough to stop at what is natural, then nature will elude your grasp forever.

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    wow. wow. motherfucking wow.

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    I'm on the verge of tears.
    I really can't do justice in writing to the things I'm actually feeling right now.
    Ugh.

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    I'm sorry, guys...I should have put a trigger warning in the title or something.


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    Believe it or not, this is not the most shocking horror story I've heard. I think that title would go to the woman who went into hiding for four months so that no one would find her pregnancy, but then someone ratted her out, so the authorities came and dragged her off for her abortion. The stress made her go into labor, so they waited for her to deliver. She tried and tried NOT to deliver the baby, but eventually the baby crowned, at which point one of the officials inserted a needle into the base of its skull and injected formaldehyde into its brain. She was then put on a list so that she would never be issued a permit to legally have another baby.

    I love China too, and I fully understand the reasoning behind the family planning policy, but it's horror stories like these that make me a libertarian.

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    This world is crazy(look at the wars) and we are so lucky and so sheltered to not have to deal with this reality in our daily lives; unlike millions of people. My heart is broken everyday when I watch the news. I am just saying that there is sooo much crazy shit that happens out there. It breaks my heart. I hope you all realize how great you have it=)

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    so to clarify, this woman didn't even have a child to begin with? the only "problem" with it is it was conceived outside of marriage? that's disgusting! I want to be proud of my Chinese heritage, but shit like this makes me want to disown my country of birth

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    I'm without words.

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    Kinda makes the "hate america" crowd look a little naive about how bad things are in the world.

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    It's okay to hate more than one country, and for different reasons.

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    Wow....that is....there are no words. I guess we should all be grateful to live where we do.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexxaHex View Post
    It's okay to hate more than one country, and for different reasons.
    A-fucking-MEN.

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    I love China but it's things like this that make me ashamed of my country. It breaks my heart to know how the government coudn't give a shit about basic human rights; how millions of fetuses are aborted each year (most of them female), more people executed than anywhere else in the world COMBINED, without a fair trial and their organs sold to the black market without their consent, I could go on and on.. but they simply don't care to change.
    I hate to consider taking an 'equal time' position on this issue, but it probably needs to be said that the Chinese gov't is pragmatic enough to recognize that an increasing population of unskilled citizens is destined to create widespread misery. Thus the Chinese gov't relently pursuing a policy such as licensed parenthood and forced abortions for having a baby without a license essentially exchanges the lost life of the unlicensed baby for the future lost life of an adult - and thus avoids years worth of misery, as well as years worth of 'wasted investment' in food, education etc. This policy also makes possible the amount of Chinese economic growth that has occurred over the past decade, which has arguably improved the standard of living of most Chinese citizens.

    To be fair about this issue, you must compare the results of the Chinese policy to the results of other nations (i.e. Africa) with similar population economic and skill levels where population growth is allowed to proceed with only 'natural' restraints. Those 'natural' restraints result in millions of hungry and destitute children, millions of 'early deaths', wars of 'survival', political unrest etc. While neither situation is 'ideal', there is an element of comparing the lesser of two evils.

    The 'western world' essentially faces the same problem in the future. At present, population growth is also only limited by 'natural' restraints ... resulting in a rapid increase in population among the lowest economic and skill level. Arguably, the only thing that is preventing their standard of living from falling to match that of China or Africa is the fact that they are receiving subsidies from higher economic and skill level residents via taxation and wealth transfer. However, as the lowest economic and skill level residents continue to have high birth rates, while higher economic and skill level residents voluntarily restrict their birth rates, the future of the taxation and wealth transfer subsidies for the poor is doomed.

    Last issue ... the Chinese parents knew the 'rules' - they broke the rules - so they are at least partially responsible for the result.

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    ^^^True, and yet still so despicable and awful...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    NINE months pregnant and her water broke? Thats not an abortion..thats infanticide.
    that's what I was thinking... why do they call that abortion!!!! I am so thankful to be in control of my fertility and able to choose when if and how many children I Attempt to have.... I wish these women had that basic human RIGHT!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    Since when is forced abortion illegal in China? Did they ban it? They've been doing it for decades. Under Chinese law, you need a permit to conceive. All sexually active women are required to be on birth control and go for a pelvic exam every six months, and any pregnancy for which there isn't a permit is terminated. There are a lot of horror stories regarding this policy.

    I'm amazed and delighted that the court is hearing the case. That's excellent news and shows real improvement in Chinese leadership. Good for them. I'm so sorry about that poor couple though... what a tragedy.
    Oh lord, this makes me so glad to live here. Not that the us does everything right by any strech of the imagination, but at least we don't have THAT type of horror here. Especially about that story of the baby crowning..... dear god, how horrible...... I'm absolutly bawling, reading this...... I just don't know what to say..... I wish peace for all the mothers who suffer these atrosities..... even though I doubt they can easily find it.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Last issue ... the Chinese parents knew the 'rules' - they broke the rules - so they are at least partially responsible for the result.
    Yes, people break laws and no person in China is perfect. However, their mistakes are governed by an iron fist. Woman are forced to abort, people accused of petty drug crimes, robberies, etc.. are executed right away, ALWAYS guilty until proven innocent. And usually nobody is proven innocent. Criminal defense lawyers rarely exist in China, because there is no use for them. They sometimes get arrested themselves for defending the accused. I've watched documentaries about this.
    The government is so quick to strike down whoever is out of line. This is a huge reason why everybody wants to conform in society. Well, it's not as bad as say, North Korea, but it's pretty bad. The government doesn't believe in rehabilitation, they would rather save all the resources and just eliminate the person instead.

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