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    Of all the arguments Hillary has tried to make to support her candidacy; the weakest is that she is "experienced". I've already established that she has NO executive experience and that her actual record of accomplishment is pathetically thin. Even if she did ; Obama has demonstrated superior judgment and that is a much more serious and valuable quality than experience.

    We've had many, many Presidents with plenty of experience and they were usually poor and sometime even disasters. John Quincy Adams; Martin Van Buren ; James Buchanon; Andrew Johnson; William Howard Taft; Woodrow Wilson; Herbert Hoover;Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon all had plenty of experience. None were good Presidents and Buchanon; both Johnsons; Wilson; Hoover and Nixon were six of the absolute worst.

    Compare them to such "inexperienced" Presidents as Washington ; LINCOLN ( 1 term in Congress); Teddy Roosevelt ( 1 term in the N.Y. State Assembly ; 2 years as Governor of N.Y. and less than a year as Veep ); Eisenhower ( no political experience ) and even JFK ( no EXECUTIVE experience ).

    JFK learned fast. He deferred to "experienced" men like Allen Dulles and let himself get bamboozled into going ahead with the Bay of Pigs but when the Cuban Missile Crisis occurred he disregarded the advice of the JCS and Dean Acheson and did not invade or order air strikes. Instead he relied on his own judgment and the crisis was peacefully resolved.

    Let's look at Hillary. She sat on the Bd. of Wal-Mart and never uttered a peep to advance the well-being of their workforce. She invested in Whitewater ; repped Madison Guaranty and got involved with a host of shady characters down in Arkansas. She barely avoided indictment not once but twice.

    She held secret meetings as head of the Health Care Task Force and when the initial effort failed, she ran and hid from the health care issue for six (6) years.

    It took her three tries to get a woman Attorney General and the 3rd choice was
    a pathetic joke who inter alia stymied a number of investigations into Al Queda
    terrorists pre-9/11. Her appointee; Jamie Gorelick wrote the policy memo preventing the FBI and CIA from sharing info on suspected terrorists.

    Worst of all , for strictly personal political reasons she voted for WAR in Iraq. Hillary confidantes have admitted that she did it to secure moderate support when she ran for President in 2008. She admits she NEVER read the Intelligence estimates that clearly showed a lack of hard evidence of WMD. On it's face in BOLD TYPE the resolution said "AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ ." She claims now that she was assured that Bush would come back to Congress and seek further support for going in but that is a total and complete lie. She voted AGAINST the Levin Amendment that would have required Bush to do just that if Saddam rejected further inspections.

    She told Bill NOT to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit which led directly to the Monica Lewinsky revelations and she BELIEVED Bill when he told her there was nothing to the allegations.

    Would someone; ANYONE ! please point to something ; ANYTHING that indicates a history of sound judgment by Hillary ?

    Now let's look at Obama. Zero Grand Jury appearances. Never sat on the bd. of Wal-Mart or any other corporate predator. No sex scandals. No financial scandals and he comes out of CHICAGO so that is a definite achievement in and of itself. ( Before someone chimes in with Rezko- check the facts. No evidence whatsoever that Obama ever did anything wrong.) He opposed the War in Iraq from the git go and all the negative consequences he cited in 2002 have in fact come to pass.
    That is as good as it gets with judgment.

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    ^^^How come none of your posts deal with McCain or Romney or even Huckabee????

    The Hillary bashing really is getting a bit old, everybody knows how you feel about her by now, how about something new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    ^^^How come none of your posts deal with McCain or Romney or even Huckabee????

    The Hillary bashing really is getting a bit old, everybody knows how you feel about her by now, how about something new.
    One reason is the "emotional" support she has on this board. There are no OBJECTIVE reasons to support her - just the fact that she's a woman and is nominally Bill's wife. I've continually invited and solicited an objective rationale for supporting her over Obama and haven't seen anything of the sort. To your credit, YOU actually came the closest although I found it unconvincing and even somewhat specious.

    Again, I have been highly critical of ALL the Republicans; none of whom impresses me. Romney has been more inconsistent than Edwards and as phony as Hillary.
    Huckabee is incompatible with a secular state and is a closet Liberal.
    McCain is a decent enough guy but he helped give us McCain-Feingold; was too soft on illegal immigration ; too hard on Iraq and I think his ideas are too old. He's ultimately a mediocrity and I think we need some dynamic , intelligent leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    ^^^How come none of your posts deal with McCain or Romney or even Huckabee????

    The Hillary bashing really is getting a bit old, everybody knows how you feel about her by now, how about something new.
    Yeah seriously. Oh here's an idea! Go read Lunarobverse's new thread. It might interest you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    One reason is the "emotional" support she has on this board. There are no OBJECTIVE reasons to support her - just the fact that she's a woman and is nominally Bill's wife.
    Here's a crazy thought, maybe people just like her stance on the issues. Nah, that'd be crazy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    I have been highly critical of ALL the Republicans; none of whom impresses me.
    Yet I have no doubt you'd vote for any of them over Hillary (maybe even Obama).

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Romney has been more inconsistent than Edwards and as phony as Hillary.
    Huckabee is incompatible with a secular state and is a closet Liberal.
    McCain is a decent enough guy but he helped give us McCain-Feingold; was too soft on illegal immigration ; too hard on Iraq and I think his ideas are too old. He's ultimately a mediocrity and I think we need some dynamic , intelligent leadership.
    No thoughts on the far rights panic that McCain will get the nomination? Seems to me you only want to air the far left's dirty laundry, why is that?

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    ES: What do you know abt. W. Wilson that AM Schlesinger, Sr., doesn't know?? He rated Wilson as a "Great" President.

    However, the rest of your "rogues gallery" were rated average, or lower. Four(Buchanan, A. Johnson, Taft, Nixon) made Nathan Millers book "Star Spangled Men" about Americas 10 worst presidents.

    Two more interesting factoids: JQ Adams was a Congressman for 17 yrs after his presidency, WH Taft was Chief Justice of Surpreme Court for 9 yrs, after his presidency.

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    Eric and Hillary sittin' in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dottie Rebel View Post
    Eric and Hillary sittin' in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G...
    Not for a bil .... um I mean a MILLION dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minnow View Post
    ES: What do you know abt. W. Wilson that AM Schlesinger, Sr., doesn't know?? He rated Wilson as a "Great" President.

    However, the rest of your "rogues gallery" were rated average, or lower. Four(Buchanan, A. Johnson, Taft, Nixon) made Nathan Millers book "Star Spangled Men" about Americas 10 worst presidents.

    Two more interesting factoids: JQ Adams was a Congressman for 17 yrs after his presidency, WH Taft was Chief Justice of Surpreme Court for 9 yrs, after his presidency.

    Arthur Schlesinger was a blatantly biased hump of a historian and a shameless gossip.


    Woodrow Wilson was a disgusting racist. He singlehandedly reversed decades of progress by re-segregating the Federal Civil Service; deactivating Black military units; segregated the Navy - btw, guess who was the Asst. Secretary of the Navy ? That's right, FDR. He helped promote a horrible and disturbing film "Birth of a Nation " that contained just about every untrue stereotype of blacks.

    Wilson was an incorrigible meddler in Mexican politics supporting Huerta; Carranza and Obregon and cutting off arms shipments to Villa and Zapata. He sent Marines to Vera Cruz and Pershing into Mexico. He singlehandedly set back U.S. - Mexican relations by decades.

    He continually meddled in the Caribbean sending Marines to both Haiti and the D.R.

    He got us into W.W. I. He helped re-draw the map of Europe and the Middle East sowing the seeds for all sorts of subsequent trouble. He went along with Clemenceau and his incredibly harsh terms against Germany at Versailles.

    It litereally took decades to undo much of his International mischief.

    He promoted Prohibition of both drugs and alcohol.

    He gave us the Federal Reserve.

    He imposed rationing and wage & price controls during W.W. I

    I'd give him a D as President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    Here's a crazy thought, maybe people just like her stance on the issues. Nah, that'd be crazy.

    Yet I have no doubt you'd vote for any of them over Hillary (maybe even Obama).

    No thoughts on the far rights panic that McCain will get the nomination? Seems to me you only want to air the far left's dirty laundry, why is that?
    Agreement with her on the issues is the ONLY ground I can understand for voting for her.

    I'd vote for almost ANYONE over Hillary but I'm with Obama ALL THE WAY !

    I confess to being amused by the conniptions Rush, Hannity, Levin and COULTER
    are having over McCain. I love to see Ann and Hillary shopping together but that would mean that she beat Obama which I definitely don't want. Frankly, I think they're being silly and self-destructive. To hear some of them talk you'd think
    McCain was the second coming of Nelson Rockefeller or John Lindsay when he's got a lifetime 80% score as a Conservative.

    Normally I vote conservative but A. I genuinely like Obama and B. a good electoral
    thrashing for the Republicans is both deserved and will ultimately be good for them and the country as a whole.

    Dirty laundry is dirty laundry. Nobody has been tougher on Conservative and Republican wrongdoing and hypocrisy than I have . Tom Delay; Larry Craig ; Ted Haggard ; Foley; Alberto Gonzales and many others all belong in the same leaky
    lifeboat afaic.

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