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    Hi girls. I am having some trouble lately with my money making skill. Since changing clubs I have had problems with getting myself in a positive mood to make money and I know the money is there. My conversation is not as good as it once was, and when I do take the time to talk to guy it seems as though some of guys are being stand off ish. A guy came in Sunday night and he tells me you are just what Iam looking for. I explained how much the dances were and I thought I had him because he seemed really interested since I spent some time with him. However,the guy turns around and get's a VIP with two other dancers. Now I was a little upset since I had been at work since 4 in afternoon without any dances and it was almost midnight. Needles to say I am already discouraged with this club and I am having a hard time with getting back to my old chipper self I wanted to get some pointers on how to close a guy for a VIP and what makes you girls get into a working mood when your burned out. Thanks a lot

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    I am curious to know how the conversation went with the guy you described, since he went from being totally into you to going with other dancers. If you could be more specific about whatyou said, we may be able to help pimpoint where the interaction went wrong and what you can do to change that for the future.

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    I was being nice and having small talk with him. Like I said I gave him the run down of the prices because he asked I started with the highest VIP which $400 and when from there some where he changed his mind and said that was too much so I said we have dances that cost less. I believe that these other girls went up to him and started talking dirty to this guy. I am not willing to go up to any guy and say what ever get him up out of his sit and I know girls do this and it is really frustrating to me. Than you for the reply

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    Well...

    When a guy asks what the prices are for VIP a few things can hapen when you start rattling them off. You starthigh, and he gets scared off. He balks at the price, you try to recover and go lower, but he's already started a pattern of sayign no. After that first no, it can be difficult to recover. But if you startto low, you are potentially shooting yourself in the foot and getting screwed out of more money. So what you need to do is start with the price you feel he is most comfortable with, and you do this by qualifying him first, and then presenting him with the best VIP price to suit his budget.
    How to qualify and read a guy for what VIp to shoot for? How many dances did he buy, did he tip, when he paid you, did you geta peek at what was in his wallet? is he throwing money around for his friends, what kind of drinks is he buying, does he offer you drinks as well? What does he do? why did he come to the club? Finding out all this information allows you to present the vip prices.

    The way I do it is when a guy asks abotu the prices I ask, well...how much fun do you wanna have? We have itty bitty fun, all the way up to the best time of your life, which is an entire hour alone with me in a dark corner. For the hour, there is required bottle service. ( by saying this, I am further qualifying him to see if he balks. Bottle service and an hour sounds expensive, so I want to read his reaction.) If he seems unsure, I tell him well, we can always build up to that later, let's go for the half hour room to start. The half hour is your best deal. I break it down for him..
    3 songs is $100. 1 song last 3 minute, sso for $100 you are getting me for 9 minutes. A half hour room is $200, but you get 30 minutes. It's actualyl cheaper for you to go to the half hour VIP because for a half hour, your paying only $6 a minute, but in the 3 for $100 room, it's $11 a minute if we were to break it down.
    Aside from it being cheaper, the atmosphere is much more intimate and private so we can enjoy ourselves better.

    Now..I only use that hustle if I can tell they are willing to spend more than $100, but less that $500, or if they have money but are unsure how much they want to spend. They can always upgrade later if they are having fun.

    Another way to do this is determinte their price range..is it $300-$500, or $100-$300? ( don't ask, just judge for youself.)
    If it's in the $100-$300 range, say we have 2 VIP areas, the 3 dances for $100, or a half hour. Which would you prefer?

    If it's the $300-$500 range, same thing, but offer a half hour or an hour....how much time do you want to spend with me?

    Or...Can you offer them a tour of the VIP room? Start with the middle price area, describe it, price it. See how he reacts. If it's positive, show him the more expensive room next, and offer him a choice. " So, what's it gonne be? you want me for the half hour, or hour?" Or if he acted like the middle price was high, show him the lowest price VIP area, and ask the same question. Would you like to do this room, or that one?

    The key is not to allow him the chance to say no, offer him a choice of 2 things, and to be able to read and judge to determine what the best course of action is to get him to say yes.

    It's possible that the other girls talked dirty to him..but it's also possible that they were just able to close him using a different tactic than you. And if they got him offering dirty shit..he wasn't the kind of customer you want anyway, as he would just hassle you in VIP anyway.

    Anyway...that's a few of the ways I get VIP's. I'm not a big lapdance girl, I focus on selling VIP's. BUt...the way I do things requires more time invested in each guy. I pick my guys carefully after watching their behavior for a few minutes, I don't talk to everyone I see. I take my time with them and read them before determining how to proceed. I only do lapdances if they say they want to "try me out first" or whatever bs they say. Then I tell them, Ok. Tell you what. I'll give you this lapdance,but I promise it's going to be the best dance you ever had and you'll want to spend mroe time with me privately when we are done. After it's over, So have I warmed you up enough? would you like me to continue here, or are you ready to spend time with me privately?


    well..hope some of that helped. good luck.

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    That's very good and thorough advice, Kaylinn. I like your use of numbers and gaging what a guy would be most likely to spend.

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    Thank you so much kaylinn that advice did help a lot, I will try this the next time am at work.

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