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    Default Changes coming to SW - but first, we need your input!

    I'll try my best to keep this short (I'm running a fever and need to lie down in a bad way ).

    As we've been saying, change is coming to SW and we want that change to benefit everyone involved. The site is starting to show bits of rust here and there and we need to bring in some people to help. Short story, we need $ to fix broken things and get the site up-to-date technology-wise.

    That is where our fundraiser and your help comes in. We hope those of you who have been helped by the site and those who can afford to help will. We'll have a progress chart and let you know directly where the money is going. As the money is raised, we will hire developers to make the needed changes - so you can see your money going to work.

    That solves our short-term issue.

    Long-term, this situation will just happen again if the site does not start to generate revenue for itself. Additionally, some newcomers to Stripper Communities have deep pockets and they are pushing us down google's search results. We were once the #1 result, now we are not even on the first page. Despite flirting daily with Allah, Buddha, and Jesus, my pockets stay shallow. TOO, thankfully, has the resources and has been kind enough to give us a solid foothold. Now we've got to start pulling ourselves up.

    As we move forward we will allow members to help support the site (we will do our best to make the process simple and user-friendly). Those who do not directly support the site (probably the majority) will have to help carry their fair share some other way - this will probably be in the form of ads.

    Finally, the meat and potatoes of this post! In the past, members had a negative reaction to our sponsors. What could have been done differently so you would have felt appreciative of our sponsor's efforts? I know we can't please everyone, but I want to try to please at least the majority.

    I'm not looking for a list of sponsors you'd like to see, instead I'm looking for ways to sell advertisments on the site that you would feel comfortable with. Again, this will only affect those who do not directly support the site. Those who contribute directly will have an ad-limited version.

    Here are two examples:

    In the past members have said they would have preferred more established companies - while that is not always an option - I can try to court those companies.

    Members also supported selling space to members of the community. That means I have to make advertising more affordable, but lowering the price requires that I raise the volume of ads sold. Keep that in mind.

    Please share other ideas. Thank you!
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    Default Re: Changes coming to SW - but first, we need your input!

    I think that there will always be complaints about any company advertising here. You could get a banner ad from Ford and you'd hear from anyone who had a bad F-150. I would just try to keep it to a dull roar. Some stripper-oriented websites are more established than others, so I would take longevity of the business into account.

    Are you going to have different types of ads? Perhaps one large banner and then smaller rotating ones? That would be a good way to offer some lower-priced advertising on the site.

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    i think you should do whatever is best for SW, and people need to shut up about sponsers or keep it to pm/chat if they REALLY need to say something.

    there will always be people who don't like the sponsers, you can't please everyone.

    It's become common for people to "out" or diss companies they don't like, and while that is their perogative, it's often best kept private, and especially if they don't like the sponsers company, just keep it to yourselves!!!

    now, as for sites with sponsering I like/don't mind-

    two other forums I belong to,

    Justmommies.com forums
    Craftster.org forums

    they're both sponsered in a way I don't mind. Justmommies is nicer though, with ads only at the top and bottom of pages. Craftster has ads every few posts. I wouldn't mind either of these types of sponsorships.

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    The meat and potatoes of SW is the forum and community. The ads around as long as they don't overly clutter the page, then they'll work wonders in my opinion. Especially if it means the difference between staying open and closing the doors.

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    adverts would be good, but I think the whole 'bashing' of sponsors is ludicrous!

    I am a member of a huge Australian car forum boostcruising www.boostcruising.com.au I really like their ideas for advertising, but in their forums it can get very cluttered at the best of times.

    I think there should be a more comprehensive club review section and possibly a job board where clubs/agencies/photographers etc can cast adult entertainment performers from

    I know that no matter what type of advertising we offer there is going to be some shady people, but I think we should just keep our opinions to ourselves, some people like the company others don't - it comes down to personal preference and this is all it will ever be. I don't condone rip off companies, but some times I shake my head and think why when I hear some complaints from people about some companies! Run your own business and you will realize nothing will be done perfectly!

    Maybe we could have a raise money for sw charity auction on ebay where we can all post our no longer wanted dancer costumes to a mature and reliable member of sw who can auction off the items and put all the proceeds to updating the site? I think if we all put in at least one item we could get quite a bit $$ raised! Plus it would give us the opportunity to buy and sell unwanted items (for a good cause as well)

    I think there is many ways we could raise money for SW, it is just a matter of who is willing to help? This way SW will remain advert spamming free!


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    When you say advertisments, it means from anyone, right? Or is there some way to tailor what types. I'm completely ignorant, sorry. But if there was like, Ford, and those "Name this celeb and win a free iPod!" and worst of all the talking ones, I prob wouldn't use it as much. But that prob works to yr benefit, right? Paying members stay on and get no ads, and those who don't like em leave. (I have no idea.)

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    I think borrowing a theory from the world of print might be good, as far as ads go - enforce a separation between editorial and advertising.

    If the owners/operators of the site spend time and effort to make the ads "fit" the site, that's an implicit endorsement of the ads that get shown.

    But if you just state up front that you have no control over the content of the ads, then no one can complain because they're determined by random rotation. Or maybe have an "ad team" that has no say in the rest of the site.

    Just putting my thoughts out there, in a totally off-the-cuff way.

    I'm OK with ads in general, though I'd probably pony up for a membership or something to make 'em go away.
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    I guess I kinda feel opposite you do, Lunar. I don't care what ppl are endorsing out of their own personal belief system, and as long as they fit with the site--great. But to just have blatant, loud ads that are as bad as tv commercials and shrug and say--we can't help it! We have no control! Is irritating---just bc of the contents of the ads, anyway. (Again I don't know your world Pryce and I know you wouldn't be evil, just thinkin thoughts is all.)

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    I don't care about the content of the ad, but I hate animated ads. So no flash or animated GIFs.

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    It just seems like, there ARE no more normal internet ads. I was in the middle of an excellent article in New York mag, when a giant bubble asking me if I wanted to take a survey pops up RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of where I was reading!!! And I have a Mac which filters out much crap.

    But srsly, seems like ads in like the year 2000 were just so tame compared with the shit of today, even the relatively subdued ones. So I vote a big ass HELL NO on letting advertisers do what they want, and stick with banners for stores or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaska View Post
    I guess I kinda feel opposite you do, Lunar. I don't care what ppl are endorsing out of their own personal belief system, and as long as they fit with the site--great. But to just have blatant, loud ads that are as bad as tv commercials and shrug and say--we can't help it! We have no control! Is irritating---just bc of the contents of the ads, anyway. (Again I don't know your world Pryce and I know you wouldn't be evil, just thinkin thoughts is all.)
    Well, I don't think advertisers would want to place ads that pissed off the people seeing them, so they would do a certain amount of screening themselves. Of course, advertisers also know that anything that gets you to remember their ad above all others is good (for them), so you can't count entirely on advertisers being discreet about placement.

    I guess that's why I added, mid-post, the idea of a separate "ad team" - like moderators for ads, that would be a separate group of folks from the regular site owners and moderators.

    I don't know. Just tossing out ideas.
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    Default Re: Changes coming to SW - but first, we need your input!

    So, what, exactly, is the necessary monthly revenue needed to keep the site open?

    Can you please prohibit any ad that has sound or animation? What sucks more than waiting to be able to access, or especially CANCEL, a loading page because it's waiting for some animation to play?

    Some things that should be fixed are repetitive, but tiny. For instance, it would take three or four hours to let someone fix the code to get the links to club reviews working again. It's just a matter of bulk substituting text in the source code of the page and saving it. Are you looking to hire someone to do stuff like that, or would you be willing to let people who are already here do this sort of stuff?

    What other kinds of changes are you considering? Are you going to have an ID archive for people posting photos in the gallery in case some law enforcement officer decides that they are showing too much exposure?

    What other revenue sources are you considering? Have you looked into the availability and conditions for government or private grants?

    You have had people trying to purchase special classes of membership. Whether they are available on a one-time charter basis or on a recurring charge basis, what would it take for SW to operate on funds drawn from people who wanted to volunteer to pay?

    What happens when particular clubs want to advertise? Are they going to have content control over posts by the dancers or customers of the club?
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    I also agree with everyone else: no animated, flash or sound banner "ads"!

    At the same time, I would also like to put up my hand in favour of some previous fundraising ideas that have been mentioned previously:

    * Allowing members to have banner "ads" similar in style as:
    with a link to that exact THANK YOU page listing my name if they pledge to 'donate' a specific set amount EACH MONTH

    * Having a SW calendar featuring "the girls of SW"

    * Having SW merchandise esp stickers, mugs, fridge magnets, etc.

    * Paying a monthly or once off yearly membership fee for 'ad free' viewing of stripperweb as well as being able to have a larger avatar


    Most importantly, have a real easy (esp. online) way for INTERNATIONAL members to financially contribute to the site.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldCoastGirl View Post
    I also agree with everyone else: no animated, flash or sound banner "ads"!
    Agreed!

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    I'd be worried about too many sw products. A mug is cool, a trinket......but t-shirts and calendars are inviting trolls and soccer moms, PLUS ads....wow! Peace out sw! I liked the idea of never putting SW logos on anything, just make them personal jokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldCoastGirl View Post
    * Allowing members to have banner "ads" similar in style as:
    with a link to that exact THANK YOU page listing my name if they pledge to 'donate' a specific set amount EACH MONTH
    While this is a nice idea...I think it would actually start to take up too much space. I think that the main page thanking all of the financial contributors by screen name would be nice.

    Having an online payment system. Within that system, have the contributer's profile updated automatically. There's no reason why someone who sends a check, and that check is cashed, should have to wait 6 months and 1000 emails later to have their profile/access updated.

    Fix the features that you offer on the site.

    If you're going to have ads, that's fine. But when it takes 5 minutes for a page to load because of the ads, you'll lose a lot of good people. I was a member of another site (which I contributed a lot of money to) and finally left because they had the site so ad intensive that it took my hi-speed cable modem forever to load pages, etc.

    Sponsors are great. Sponsors who lie are not. There was one sponsor (surprisehim.net) that started out really good and I believe that everyone was quite happy with their service, etc. But, then...things with them started to go down hill. There was another sponsor from Australia and they were just not honest about what they were doing...etc. That's just not cool. While the sponsors pay for the space, they are using your good name to do so. You get people who get ripped off by sponsors and all...and you keep them on as sponsors, it just puts a bad taste in their mouth. I also think that if people have a bad experience, etc with a sponsor, they should be able to voice that here. Any sponsor who would get mad about that is not worth it. A sponsor worth the time and money is one that will do their best to resolve issues.

    That being said...none of the dancers/customers here should expect "star treatment" from the sponsors just because they ordered from a SW sponsor. I know some dancers order on Friday at 8pm and expect their shipment by the next day at 9am. They need to remember that they are ordering from someone who is sponsoring the site that they frequent and love...and not ordering from a sponsor who has promised to bend over, kiss their ass while giving them loads of freebies, bending their return rules, etc.

    Definitely tell everyone how much it costs to run the site every month and let everyone know how much you have coming in. If we know that it costs $1000 a month to run the site (totally hypothetical) and we see that you're only taking in $500, it may spur some more people to send more money.

    That's all that I can think of now...

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    Definitely tell everyone how much it costs to run the site every month and let everyone know how much you have coming in. If we know that it costs $1000 a month to run the site (totally hypothetical) and we see that you're only taking in $500, it may spur some more people to send more money.
    I like this idea, combined with an easy online payment procedure. If I have a great night at work and see that the site is only $100 away from their monthly goal, I would be pleased to click on payment and send over that $100 to get SW up to their goal.

    Well, any great night at work combined with an online payment will probably do wonders for site income.

    Ads in general do not bother me. If I don' care for one, I choose to ignore it. What bugs me is pop ups espicially in the middle of somethign I am reading. Cluttered or flashy glittery stuff bugs me to, but I would be happy to buy a membership to turn them off.

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    I think if there was one thing I would want to avoid at all cost, it would be a pop-up ad that springs up every time you click a link. Banners are better.

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    I would love to become a sponsored member. I would gladly pay a yearly membership fee to be a part of this site. BUT, it has to be an online payment.

    Also, I agree with others above concerning the ads. Banners are ok, but please no animation or sound.

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    I know this sounds crazy, but...

    What if the site was run as a not-for-profit? Sort of like a museum or NPR. Donations would be made by contributors with some kind of ego stroking incentive. ie; Stripping General (Sponsored by www.snaz75.com) and that sponsor would have their own thread stickied to the top of that section allowing members to interact with the sponsor directly.

    In addition to members having access to premium sections of the site (gallery, for example), individuals could contribute to the community on the whole with cute little names for each donation level ie; beer=$5 lap dance=$20 VIP=$150 High roller= $1000 or more.

    Members could also offer to buy one another a "beer" as a kind of ego stroking acknowledgment. So if I wanted to buy VenusGoddess a "beer", the fact that I bought the "beer" and she received it would be visible in our profiles and noted in the member stats summary in each post. You could even make a popularity contest amongst members to see who can sell the most "beers". Maybe even the top hustler can get ego acknowledgment via a special font or notation every month.

    Anyway, I'm just trying to think outside the box. Probably most of this won't work anyway.


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    I'd pay a reasonable fee if I was sure that it would be filtered somehow to maintain my anonymity.

    On ads--I ignore almost all ads on almost all Internet sites. It does not bother me if there are ads, as long as they do not slow down the page loading time. But if you take ads, do you have to take any ads? I can see right wing moral organizations taking out ads in an attempt to "save" the dancers and customers, and I would just as soon not see these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess View Post
    * Allowing members to have banner "ads" similar in style as:

    While this is a nice idea...I think it would actually start to take up too much space. I think that the main page thanking all of the financial contributors by screen name would be nice.
    Let's see if I can give a little feedback that will help show the direction of historical thinking so far, as well as what's been going on behind the scenes.

    My banner was originally put up as an "example" of what could be offered to both member-contributors and outside sponsors. The idea was not to clutter the page with banners this size, but rather to have them rotating through a series. That way you don't use up any more real estate but the member-contributors and outside advertisers would still have the recognition and, for the advertisers, exposure.

    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess View Post
    Having an online payment system. Within that system, have the contributer's profile updated automatically. There's no reason why someone who sends a check, and that check is cashed, should have to wait 6 months and 1000 emails later to have their profile/access updated. And fix the features you offer on the site.
    There are actually two points here.

    First, the online payment system is on the way. It was the first requirement for any fundraising program that would make any sense. The problem was that few payment processors handle adult sites. FWIW, I personally was strongly opposed to removing the photo galleries or the right to post nude photos. It would no longer be the same site. I believe Pryce has always felt the same way. So he's been working diligently behind the scenes to set up the payment processor system, along with the dozens of other things he does for this site that nobody sees!

    Your second point is a result of the fact that the site is understaffed. Since Pryce cannot spend as much time here as he has in the past, additional staffing will be required. That is not only expensive, it's a recurring cost.That is another primary reason for the fundraising effort.

    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess View Post
    If you're going to have ads, that's fine. But when it takes 5 minutes for a page to load because of the ads, you'll lose a lot of good people. I was a member of another site (which I contributed a lot of money to) and finally left because they had the site so ad intensive that it took my hi-speed cable modem forever to load pages, etc.
    This is an excellent point and exactly the kind of feedback sought. The composition, size, nature and features of the ads need to be well thought out in advance.

    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess View Post
    Sponsors are great. Sponsors who lie are not. There was one sponsor (surprisehim.net) that started out really good and I believe that everyone was quite happy with their service, etc. But, then...things with them started to go down hill. There was another sponsor from Australia and they were just not honest about what they were doing...etc. That's just not cool. While the sponsors pay for the space, they are using your good name to do so. You get people who get ripped off by sponsors and all...and you keep them on as sponsors, it just puts a bad taste in their mouth. I also think that if people have a bad experience, etc with a sponsor, they should be able to voice that here. Any sponsor who would get mad about that is not worth it. A sponsor worth the time and money is one that will do their best to resolve issues.
    These are all excellent points and a good summary of the historical struggle the site has had to endure with outside sponsors. There needs to be some sort of process in place to qualify sponsors as legitimate, ethical and reasonably well-run operations. It does no good to have a sponsor for a few months who aggravates the membership for the reasons you outlined above and then lose the revenue when the sponsor disappears.

    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess View Post
    Definitely tell everyone how much it costs to run the site every month and let everyone know how much you have coming in. If we know that it costs $1000 a month to run the site (totally hypothetical) and we see that you're only taking in $500, it may spur some more people to send more money.
    I know it seems like there should be one fixed amount that is the magic number for running the site. But right now that's not the case.

    The first question you need to ask is, "what version of the site are you talking about?" For example, the additional cost of running the current site with the existing level of bandwidth, features and support -- as well as current levels of funding -- is relatively small because the high recurring costs are already largely covered by Pryce and me. The site in its current form could therefore continue on in perpetuity without any additional fundraising activity.

    The site Pryce envisions in the future is distinctly different, however. As mentioned in his original post, he needs to hire programming talent to upgrade the site and enable all the existing features; administrative help for quick responses to member issues and inquiries; and improved visibility for the site, which raises its profile, a critical element to attract commercial sponsors.

    He's put a number of $20,000 out there as an initial fundraising goal (he may modify this, so I'm just giving that to you as the first step out of the gate.) That's a fairly small number given the aggressive amount of hiring and recurring expenses all these upgrades require.

    I do agree with you that the psychological benefit of having a target number, any number, is huge and being able to see how the new fundraising program is doing provides important positive feedback to the membership. It's also an obvious incentive to individuals to contribute as you approach the goal. Another benefit is that it broadens participation and a sense of community and involvement in the site, which I think is simply invaluable.

    The basic site as it operates now will continue to be funded as it stands, so think of this new path as a major upgrade to the site, with separate funding needed for that activity. I intend to participate in the new fundraising program myself, while maintaining bandwidth funding, and I hope many other members will do the same. I guarantee you that it will be far easier than it's been recently!

    I am personally encouraged and gratified to see this level of vision and commitment from the site owner. We have a lot of exciting new opportunities for SW on the horizon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    I know this sounds crazy, but...

    What if the site was run as a not-for-profit? Sort of like a museum or NPR. Donations would be made by contributors with some kind of ego stroking incentive. ie; Stripping General (Sponsored by ) and that sponsor would have their own thread stickied to the top of that section allowing members to interact with the sponsor directly.

    In addition to members having access to premium sections of the site (gallery, for example), individuals could contribute to the community on the whole with cute little names for each donation level ie; beer=$5 lap dance=$20 VIP=$150 High roller= $1000 or more.

    Members could also offer to buy one another a "beer" as a kind of ego stroking acknowledgment. So if I wanted to buy VenusGoddess a "beer", the fact that I bought the "beer" and she received it would be visible in our profiles and noted in the member stats summary in each post. You could even make a popularity contest amongst members to see who can sell the most "beers". Maybe even the top hustler can get ego acknowledgment via a special font or notation every month.

    Anyway, I'm just trying to think outside the box. Probably most of this won't work anyway.

    I really love those ideas. All of them. I espicially love the idea of buying other members "beers". It might be a popularity contest...but it would more likely be friendly competition. And strippers can be competitive. And it would benefit the site greatly. It would probably be easy to do to. Just add a box on the online payment processer that says would you like to donate this is another persons name? I would click yes - Donate for Paris. And then you would get a thing sayign I bought you a beer. I would get a thign tallying how many beers I have bought.
    The top hustler would get like, Beer Bitch under her name for a month or something, much like it says featured member or plat. member currently.

    The Forum sections sponseered by certain companies is a great idea as well. It declutters the main page a bit, but the sponser still gets a nice big ad.

    I really love all of your ideas.

    I would say though...I do not want to pay a monthly fee in order to have access to certain sections, although I do think that having certain areas as pay areas is a good idea... If the gallery or picture post were pay only, I would probably just stop using those areas..as they are not that important to me as a member. I wouldn't mind a (small. Like $5) monthly fee for access to the site in it's entirety..but would be reluctant to pay for certain areas and would probably just not use them.


    But what if....

    Thinkign outside the box more...

    We have loads of hot girls on here. What if we had a certain area that girls could post pics of themselves. Girls woul have male members of this site sponser them. For every unique click a girl's picture got..she would get a "chip" For every 100 chips she collects, her sponser donates $20 to SW. He gets the pride of being a SW Hot Girl sponser, she gets the pride of knowing that she is rackign up chips and money for SW, and the guys wh click t look at her pics...well, you know what they get

    I dunno. That may sounds like a dumb idea....

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    Your second point is a result of the fact that the site is understaffed. Since Pryce cannot spend as much time here as he has in the past, additional staffing will be required. That is not only expensive, it's a recurring cost.That is another primary reason for the fundraising effort.




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    Understaffed.

    So many talented people have volunteered their time to help do things for this site. Could those offers be looked into? That would be a huge cost saving step, and it would be nice to have our members contribute what they can.
    I know volunetters can be shady and unreliable, but..isn't it worth checkign into at least?

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    I love your idea Paris!

    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    I know this sounds crazy, but...

    What if the site was run as a not-for-profit? Sort of like a museum or NPR. Donations would be made by contributors with some kind of ego stroking incentive. ie; Stripping General (Sponsored by www.snaz75.com) and that sponsor would have their own thread stickied to the top of that section allowing members to interact with the sponsor directly.

    In addition to members having access to premium sections of the site (gallery, for example), individuals could contribute to the community on the whole with cute little names for each donation level ie; beer=$5 lap dance=$20 VIP=$150 High roller= $1000 or more.

    Members could also offer to buy one another a "beer" as a kind of ego stroking acknowledgment. So if I wanted to buy VenusGoddess a "beer", the fact that I bought the "beer" and she received it would be visible in our profiles and noted in the member stats summary in each post. You could even make a popularity contest amongst members to see who can sell the most "beers". Maybe even the top hustler can get ego acknowledgment via a special font or notation every month.

    Anyway, I'm just trying to think outside the box. Probably most of this won't work anyway.

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