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    I'd bet dollars to donuts every dancer has been stiffed at least once, or I sure have been anyway...

    Mine was a pretty simple affair and modest amount- I naively took a potty break without settling up, guy bolted. So, $60 lesson to not leave a guy till he pays, duh!

    My roommate did the same thing, although she was owed a couple hundred, at least she had taken his iPhone for collateral, and still has it (coincidentally it had an angry voicemail from another stripper about him stiffing her the same night).

    I've had a lot more 'nearly-stiffed' incidents though, as in, I had to get aggressive with the custy, or bring other staff in to help me. Either of which is unideal, but still sure beats not getting paid at all.... speaking of which, what brought this to my mind really was seeing another girl get stiffed last week, SOLELY because she was unwilling, and/or ignorant about how, to effectively stand up for herself. The guys just gave her a hard time, so she gave up and threw in the towel for the night. Meanwhile the 2 other girls involved fought it out, got paid, and moved on.

    I say again, when the custies balk at the bill, I find it most effective to be firm, as in 'The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys... $X sir *coy smile*.' And that failing aggressive, as in 'we agreed to $X- if you can't afford the best maybe you should go/sit elsewhere next time.' And THAT failing increasingly angry/threatening, as in holding car keys hostage, and/or saying 'You're not leaving until you settle this tab/Pay what we agreed or I'll have a bouncer HELP you, and then help you out/Walking on this is just like walking on a bar tab, you won't get past our bouncer/Do I need to get a bouncer to show you to the ATM?/ect.' This may ruin my tip and repeat biz, but I figure I'm better off without that type of custy anyway, and it seems to work better for me than pleading or cajoling, or anything else submissive in nature. The times I tried being unfailingly 'nice' in the hope of preserving my tip and repeat biz were the times I had to call in management, and then they got me paid by being aggressive... *epiphany* which is prolly how I picked up that it's most effective lol Most of the lines I use in angry mode are variations of what I've heard them say actually.

    So, do tell- how you've been stiffed, but more importantly, what you do to make sure it doesn't happen again!

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    I've done the same thing - "Do you REALLY think you'll make it out the front door without settling up? I'd hate to have to make you call your wife."

    But before I do a dance, ALWAYS, I ask them to take their keys/phone out of their pockets "so they don't hurt me/break their phone." I set them on the end of the couch or on the table next to it. While they settle up with me I sit BETWEEN them and their keys/phone. I've only been stiffed twice. Taking their keys and phone worked by itself once. Took them another time and the guy said "Whatever" so I told him thanks, and I'd call his wife or mom to let her know to leave the door unlocked. He paid up.

    One time a guy was with his friends, no keys, no phone. I plopped on the floor and had his shoes off before he knew what was happening. I took them to the bouncer and told him the barefoot boy owed me money. Worked like a charm.

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    Yeah I take their stuff out of their pocket too so "it doesnt hurt me"...I"ve taken collateral before.

    I've also had the bouncers take the guy into the office and "convince" him to find the money. One guy was particulary mouthy to the bouncers and ended up thrown through a wall. He paid.

    I've still gotten stiffed a cpl times. Once for several hundred. I put a tail on the guy planning to send a few bouncers to his house and put the fear of god into him. Turned out he was a cop so they wouldnt do it. Ass.

    As for your friend....that iphone is worth a good $500. I'd start calling people on it until you get a response. Give him 48 hours to pay. After that...hock the phone and get her money. I'd call the other stripper too and see how much he owes her. She can get his address from his phone and the two of them can show up at his house with a cpl armed bouncers and bombard him.

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    A guy tried to hold out on me for a dollar stage tip (what a winner, eh) so I snapped the watch off of his wrist and started dancing around with it, twirling it in my hand and laughing. He finally parted with the $1 and got his shitty watch back..

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    I've been dancing for almsot 6 years and I have never been stiffed. I guess I have bene very lucky. The closest I have ever come to beign stiffed was one night a dancer was doing dances wih this one guy, and they grabbed me and asked me to dance for their friend, who was passed out drunk. They wanted me to wake him up. The friend offered to pa, so i said ok. After 3 dances, the friend refused to pay me the $60 I was owed...and the $200 he owed the other girl. I got drunk passed out guy to wake up and pay me.
    But I felt bad for the other girl, so I wanted to make her guypay her as well. I followed him all around the club. He kept walkign away, and I just kept folloing him. Eventually got his ass to go to the ATM, where he withdrew $500. I thought, finally, it's settled. Nope. He took the money out and still refused to pay and tried to hide in the mens room. I stood outside the door and waited. The other girl was getting a bouncer.
    Eventually, th ebouncer got the guy to fork over $100 to her, and she gave me None. Zero. I ave up 2 hours of my night trying to collect her money and she gave me nada.
    Never helped another girl since. I take care of myself and only myself.

    I think the best tip I ever heard for gettign stiffed is I think by MollyzMoon...
    Reach down and take their shoe! ( Or any other easily accessible personal item. I usually ask guys to remoev their cell phone and keys during a danec, and they place them on the table, so car keys would be easy to reach and great colateral.)

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    Just this past Friday. Some grabby, gropey guy asked me for shots. I was really busy and in the middle of walking over to someone that had already asked for a shot, so I promised him I'd be over as soon as I'm done. I went over as promised, and he told me that he wanted a Purple Hooter shot for himself and the dancer that was sitting next to him. I asked who was getting the shot first, and he agreed that the lady(aka the dancer) would get it first, so I gave it to her. During this time, he started talking with his friends and another dancer with his back turned to me. I wanted to give him his shot, but he looked really occupied and there were two more customers next to the dancer(who I'd just given a shot to) who wanted a shot, so after patiently waiting a minute and seeing that the guy was occupied, I gave it to the new customers. But I kept my eye on the guy, because he owed me for the dancer's shot. He went in the couchroom and a few other places(ignoring me as I tried to track him down and get his attention in polite, subtle ways). Finally when I caught up to him, his friend and him were putting on their coats. They claimed that they were just taking a smoke break outside...we're not allowed to smoke in the clubs in Philly(but I didn't believe it was just a smoke break). So I explained that I'd already given his dancer friend a shot and that he still needed his, and he said in a snobby, ignorant voice, "Ugh, I don't want that shot." WTF I STILL NEEDED TO BE PAID FOR THE ONE I GAVE TO THE DANCER!!! So I politely but firmly persisted them, explaining that he told me to give the dancer and him a shot, and that I wouldn't charge him for his since he didn't take it, but the least he could do was pay for the dancer's, since she already took it while he was watching...especially since I had to pay out the bar for each shot, and especially since I'd spent time trying to track him down and he'd snubbed me. His friend explained that they would pay for it after their smoke break outside the club, but I was not naive...so I explained that the fact that he was snubbing me right now, I was really skeptical of it. That caused the friend to snap out of it and tell his friend to pay me up $5, which resulted in the friend paying me $5 for the shot plus a $1 tip. I thanked him(since I was just glad to get the money!!), but I kept thinking that if I hadn't been so firm and assertive, that I probably woulda gotten stiffed as well as dissed.

    Sometimes you just gotta be really firm and assertive...just as the bouncers and managers would act!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cherry_sin View Post
    One time a guy was with his friends, no keys, no phone. I plopped on the floor and had his shoes off before he knew what was happening. I took them to the bouncer and told him the barefoot boy owed me money. Worked like a charm.
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    So far the worst I've been stiffed is for a couple of dances. it was a learning experience. The guy was really nice and was waiting for his friend to get out of a VIP. Meanwhile I did a couple of dances for him and talked him into a half hour in VIP while he was waiting. He was all excited etc. Then they called me to stage...... I told him "Okay, I have to be on stage for three songs, and then I'll come back down and you'll have me all to yourself for a private room." He says, GREAT!!!

    Tell me I am not on stage for one song and his buddy comes out of a room and grabs his friend to leave. The guy walks out of the club not paying for the two dances (my fault) and making eye contact with me the whole way out the door knowing damn well there's nothing I can do as I'm stuck on stage. I think it hurt even worse that it was a lost VIP sale as well. It was entirely my fault that I didn't get paid for the dances first though. That's what you get for trusting even "nice" guys.

    Also.... I had a very good customer owe me $600 for a 2-hour VIP. He's also someone I consider a personal friend, so I waited until after the VIP to have him go to the ATM. He comes back and hands me $500. The only reason I knew that is because I counted it. I don't care if you're a douche or my best friend... I count the money all the time and don't worry about offending people. And it's a good thing I did. It was an oversight and he apologized and immediately handed over the additional $100. So yeah... don't worry about offending someone. Just count your money in front of the guy to make sure you're taken care of. Even honest people make mistakes sometimes.
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    I've never been stiffed. If a guy tries to tell me 'Oops, I guess I don't have anymore cash.." or something like that I am more than happy to walk him to the ATM to get my money. And I've done it on a few occasions. I've got a few friends who take collateral from guys like cell phones. I've never done that, I wouldn't even know how to go about getting it, but thankfully I've never needed it.

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    Oh yeah there was one time where I actually was stiffed for a dance. I think I wrote about this before on the thread about disabled/handicapped customers. I was working at a club and approached two guys. The one guy said, "Yeah how about you take my friend for a dance" so I did. The guy I danced with was a bit geeky and a little slow, but nver nice and civil and nothing too out-of-the-ordinary. He was appreciative of my dance and at the end of it I asked him if he wanted another, and he said "yes" so I continued. Then when he went to pay me, he only had $20 cash and needed to use credit card to pay for the remaining $20, so I explained to him about the funny money/credit card transactions we offered. He was in the middle of doing it when his friend, who wasn't even the one paying for the goddam lapdance, noticed the convenience charge and got all pissy, claiming that the guy I'd danced for was "mentally retarded" and "didn't know any better," and that I had "deceived" him by doing a second dance. WTF?? But if this dickhead was really concerned about the wellbeing of his "retarded" friend, then why didn't he stay near him during the dance, instead of having us go off to the other side of the club? And when he first agreed for me to give his friend a dance, he was the one who was all gung-ho about it but then he left his friend to pay for it himself(usually when guys tell me to dance for their friend, it's because they're treating their friend)...so who's the real jerk here?

    I wasn't happy with the way the manager handled it. The manager came over, explained how it works with the credit card transactions, stayed all firm and businesslike, argued with the guy, and then said, "Fine you don't have to pay her for the 2nd dance, and I'll go cancel the credit card transaction that already went through, but since you won't let your friend pay her, then you both DO gotta leave" and had them kicked out. WTF? I cared more about getting my money, which I never got from them, than having them kicked out. It was a horrible night too...I only left with like $42 to my name, so that extra $20 would have made a significant % difference too. Ugh.

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    One last story about getting stiffed that I remember. I don't know if this counts as getting "stiffed," since I didn't lose anything but my dignity, but anyway. There were these two foreign guys from I think South America. The one asked me for a dance. I took him back to the couchroom and immediately this scumbag slut of a boy starts groping me and trying to feel me up in places that he wasn't supposed to. I simply told him "no no" in a sweet, polite voice, staying calm and gently moving his hands, and kept dancing. About a minute into the dance, he got annoyed that he wasn't able to fuck or do extras(duhhhhhhh did he think I was a free whore?? and the couchdance at this club isn't all that private, either!) so he jumped up from the couch and ran out of there lightning fast before I could stop him and get the money! I was so pissed!

    Luckily the guy running the couchdance room was one of the really nice, lenient managers, so he didn't make me pay the $5 house fee for the dance(we had to pay $5 for every $20 dance we did) because he saw what happened and felt bad for me.

    Less than 15 mins later, my friend took the same asshole back for a dance and he tried the same shit on her, and ran out in the middle of the dance when she wouldn't let him touch her. Luckily though my friend got the money from him upfront though so at least she didn't have to endure 60 sec of attempted gropes for free. Even though I didn't have to pay the $5 fee, I still felt like a "free" whore from the way he treated me, which made me bitter and angry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cherry_sin View Post
    Taking their keys and phone worked by itself once. Took them another time and the guy said "Whatever" so I told him thanks, and I'd call his wife or mom to let her know to leave the door unlocked. He paid up.

    ...One time a guy was with his friends, no keys, no phone. I plopped on the floor and had his shoes off before he knew what was happening. I took them to the bouncer and told him the barefoot boy owed me money. Worked like a charm.
    These are gems!

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    I've probably only been truly stiffed once. And it was for like $20...other than that, here are my other stories:

    Once at CCP, I had a guy agree to a table dance, then try to refuse payment by saying that he only said he'd "try" a dance. Fucker, I don't dance for free!! Our manager got him to cough up the $10. It's not that I needed the money, but it was the principle of the situation.

    I had a guy who really didn't have the money, but thought he did and he actually came back a couple of weeks later and paid me.

    Last, I had yet another guy who also thought he had the money and didn't and he sent me a letter (apologizing and thanking me for being so cool about the situation) with cash in it to the club!! So sweet, I wasn't expecting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glamazon View Post
    Last, I had yet another guy who also thought he had the money and didn't and he sent me a letter (apologizing and thanking me for being so cool about the situation) with cash in it to the club!! So sweet, I wasn't expecting it.
    On that note, I was dancing one night in Key West a while back and did several dances for a Mexican guy. Afterwards he took out his wallet and with a lot of hand signals and my limited knowledge of Spanish I got that he didnt have the money. The bouncer(who spoke Spanish) tried to get it from him, but he just didnt have it..no cash, no cards...nada. Great. He said he would be back in the next night with my money. Yeah right.

    Next night I'm getting off stage and the bouncer(same one) walks over to me and hands me several $20's. I aksed what that was for...and he said the Mexican guy had stopped by and dropped it off for me. I was floored. I think thats the only time in all my years of dancing a guy stiffed me and said he'd make it up to me another day...and actually DID!!!

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    I've been successfully stiffed twice -- I spent several hours at the end of the night with a guy in the CR. He was paying me as we went along, but still owed me $250 at the end of the night. There was a crazy thunderstorm that knocked out all the phones and the ATM, and he couldn't withdraw the money. (I know, I know, you should always get the money up front, but that's unheard of at this club.) He said he'd come back, but never did.

    Another time, also in the CR, with a bachelor party, again at the end of the night the guy was supposed to pay me to just sit with him; he didn't want any dances. We both agreed he would pay me by the hour. At the end of the night his friends convinced him he shouldn't pay me because I hadn't done any dances. I tried being reasonable, then being a bitch, then yelling for help, but the managers were nowhere to be found. Two of the guys started yelling at me and calling me a bitch while my customer escaped out the back door in the VIP. I was pissed.

    Because paying up front is unusual at my club, I think getting ripped off is kind of common. Girls often don't negotiate what they'll get paid for their time, either. They'll sit with a guy all night and THEN try to talk him into a big tip. It seems to pay off some of the time, but other times they get stiffed completely. Sometimes I wish the rules about how we're supposed to get paid were more cut and dried.

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    I'm pretty aggressive, so I've been stiffed a few times. Sometimes its a risk you take, and the price you pay. I was ALWAYS able to get management to comp me housefees for the equivalent amount that I was stiffed. And they always kept their word. My strategy for many things: get in good with management, DJ, bouncers, etc. Don't be their enemy, even if they are imbeciles.

    The most I got stiffed for is $50 or so though...

    Strategy #2. Don't get fucked up at work. It should go without saying, but it doesn't always.

    Strategy #3. Never leave until you've been paid, even if you have to pee like a racehorse and its your turn onstage. The nicest customers will turn into con-artist given the opportunity.

    Strategy #4. If you know of a customer that has done this to you, and he's still in the club, or back, make his club experience the most miserable time of his life. Don't let him get any positive attention or reinforcement. Run him the hell out if bouncers won't.

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    i've had it happen once i was in the middle of dances and had to go on stage. one of my guy friends, who was friends with the owner agreed to keep an eye on the guy, but when he ran for the door, the manager refused to believe my friend and let the guy go, then lectured me later for "causing a problem". thankfully the owner was cool and fired the manager the next day.

    i now collect at least the first dance up front; it shows the guys willingness to pay and if he argues later ill fight for it.

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    I had a guy take his brother out for a divorce celebration and send him off for a dance with me. The guy kept going and going until I decided to stop and settle the tab, and they were $50 short of what they owed me. Guy had deliberately not taken his ATM card to the club so he wouldn't overspend, and they lived two towns away (this was in Montana). The bouncer tried hard to get my money but they just didn't have it. The guy was extremely apologetic and gave me his business card, and swore he'd bring me the money.

    Well whatever, I went on to have the most lucrative night of my career that same night. But a week later I still hadn't seen the guy, it was my last night in Montana, and I didn't think he should be able to get away with that. So I fixed myself up before work and drove to his job, and announced loudly who I was there to see. He didn't recognize me at first, but I introduced myself as the stripper who he stiffed for $50 last week. Everyone in the room stared at him as he stuttered that he didn't have the money. I smiled and reminded him that what goes around comes around, and I didn't really need his $50 but he would have to live with having stolen from me. As I was leaving, one of his coworkers muttered, "Dude, you stiffed a stripper? NOT COOL."

    I miss Montana. At least I got my $50 worth in entertainment by making him look like a cheap ass in front of everyone he worked with. Dumbass shouldn't have given me his business card!

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    i can stiff you all if you know what i mean.

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    ^^ You are my hero!

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    ^ You're my hero too. Awesome Y!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    I had a guy take his brother out for a divorce celebration and send him off for a dance with me. The guy kept going and going until I decided to stop and settle the tab, and they were $50 short of what they owed me. Guy had deliberately not taken his ATM card to the club so he wouldn't overspend, and they lived two towns away (this was in Montana). The bouncer tried hard to get my money but they just didn't have it. The guy was extremely apologetic and gave me his business card, and swore he'd bring me the money.

    Well whatever, I went on to have the most lucrative night of my career that same night. But a week later I still hadn't seen the guy, it was my last night in Montana, and I didn't think he should be able to get away with that. So I fixed myself up before work and drove to his job, and announced loudly who I was there to see. He didn't recognize me at first, but I introduced myself as the stripper who he stiffed for $50 last week. Everyone in the room stared at him as he stuttered that he didn't have the money. I smiled and reminded him that what goes around comes around, and I didn't really need his $50 but he would have to live with having stolen from me. As I was leaving, one of his coworkers muttered, "Dude, you stiffed a stripper? NOT COOL."

    I miss Montana. At least I got my $50 worth in entertainment by making him look like a cheap ass in front of everyone he worked with. Dumbass shouldn't have given me his business card!
    Hahaha. That is fuckin awesome

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    *bowing* Thank you, thank you. I have my moments.

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    :claps: HAHAHAHA
    I would have paid to see the look on his face. Maybe guys will think twice about freely giving out their business cards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    I had a guy take his brother out for a divorce celebration and send him off for a dance with me. The guy kept going and going until I decided to stop and settle the tab, and they were $50 short of what they owed me. Guy had deliberately not taken his ATM card to the club so he wouldn't overspend, and they lived two towns away (this was in Montana). The bouncer tried hard to get my money but they just didn't have it. The guy was extremely apologetic and gave me his business card, and swore he'd bring me the money.

    Well whatever, I went on to have the most lucrative night of my career that same night. But a week later I still hadn't seen the guy, it was my last night in Montana, and I didn't think he should be able to get away with that. So I fixed myself up before work and drove to his job, and announced loudly who I was there to see. He didn't recognize me at first, but I introduced myself as the stripper who he stiffed for $50 last week. Everyone in the room stared at him as he stuttered that he didn't have the money. I smiled and reminded him that what goes around comes around, and I didn't really need his $50 but he would have to live with having stolen from me. As I was leaving, one of his coworkers muttered, "Dude, you stiffed a stripper? NOT COOL."

    I miss Montana. At least I got my $50 worth in entertainment by making him look like a cheap ass in front of everyone he worked with. Dumbass shouldn't have given me his business card!
    Hahahaha this story is great! I was laughing when I read the part about you going to his job. I cannot believe that you had the balls and gumption to actually go to his work and loudly announce that you're a stripper who he "stole" from. That sounds like something that I've thought of doing, talked a whole lot about wanting to do, but in all seriousness never actually planned to do it. I'm really glad you stood up for yourself though...good job! Great revenge!

    I'm also glad to hear that you went on to have the best night of your stripping career. I'm glad the guy didn't bring you down.

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