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    Default Snatching Defeat From Victory

    Leaving my admitted personal animus and antipathy towards Hillary aside; there are rational, objective reasons NOT to vote for her if one seriously wants a Democrat President.

    She has the highest negatives of any candidate and there are sound political reasons why the Republicans want to run against her and don't want to run against Obama.

    The most obvious reason is that Obama polls higher than Hillary both nationally and in key states like Virginia and Missouri that could turn them from their current
    "Purple" status to Blue. The latest poll has her trailing McCain 49 to 46 % while Obama beats McCain by the same margin.

    No Democrat is going to win without votes from Independents. ( No Republican can do it either.) Hillary's polls among Independents are much weaker than Obama's

    Here's the kicker. Obama gets significant REPUBLICAN support. Depending on which poll you look at, anywhere from 10 to as high as 15%. Hillary will NEVER see anything approaching those numbers. He gets ALL of her voters. She does
    not get all of his.

    The Republicans are divided and demoralized. McCain's probable nomination has
    many a "true believer" out on the ledge. Nothing would invigorate and unite them like a Hillary candidacy. There is almost 20 years of negative material that can be dredged up and used against her. More importantly, how can Hillary run against McCain opposing a war she voted for. Obama has been relatively gentle in chiding her for her pro-war vote. McCain won't be.

    Serious change requires a serious electoral win. Social Security was passed because FDR won in a landslide. Medicaid was passed because of LBJ's landslide.
    Reagan's tax cuts resulted in part from his electoral vote landslide. If Hillary does win, it will be in a squeaker. Obama has potential landslide written all over him. Even if he splits the undecideds 50-50 he still beats MCain by 3 points- 51.5 to 48.5 but usually the undecideds break 2 to 1 AGAINST the incumbent party.

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    Default Re: Snatching Defeat From Victory

    Come on dude, what makes you think the political elite care what the common person wants.

    In case you haven't noticed, both parties are more than a little disconnected from the populace.

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    Default Re: Snatching Defeat From Victory

    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    Come on dude, what makes you think the political elite care what the common person wants.

    In case you haven't noticed, both parties are more than a little disconnected from the populace.
    The more we adopt that attitude; the more we just sit back and accept that things can't or won't change then the longer the current situation will continue.

    One reason I'm supporting Obama is that he offers realistic hope for genuine reform. Hillary pays lip service to "change" but when she talks about it all I can think about is changing a diaper or making change at a candy counter. Look at
    all of her fat cat supporters. Does anyone seriously think that she will really change the tax treatment of hedge fund and mutual fund managers who today
    pay at most 15% of their income in taxes ? There is a reason they overwhelmingly support her.

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