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    Who would Bin Laden like to see as President ? Obama ? I don't think so. Obama was the first one to get it on Pakhistan and talk seriously about cleaning out the Al Queda sanctuaries. He's the smartest of the three and has the best understanding of what's going on in the 3rd World. He has a genuine connection to non-white people world-wide. The open question is how serious he is about National Security and securing the borders.

    McCain ? Maybe. He'd stay in Iraq which gives Al Queda a closer battlefield. He'd continue a policy that alienates most of the Muslim world. But he's tough on Defense and might be tough on the borders.

    Billary ? OH HAPPY DAY ! A woman President ! Exhibit A of American decadence. A return to the good old days of Sandy Berger vetoing retaliatory strikes. Bill's sexcapades distracting from genuine threats. An IMMEDIATE withdrawl from Iraq which would look most like an American "defeat". She opposed the "surge"; is VERY soft on border security and is MOST likely to cut the Defense budget.

    My guess is he'd want Hillary to win.

    The reason this is relevant is the latest reports that have Al Queda strengthening themselves BEYOND their pre- 9/11 strength and their active recruitment and training of AMERICAN citizens to carry out attacks inside the U.S. It's not a question of "IF". It's a matter of When ; Where and What do we do about it afterwards .

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    The latest reports change from month to month. 911 took Al Queda multiple years and multiple millions, and that was without a huge military prescense in the Mid East and also with a much more stable network.

    Other reports say that money sources are drying up for terrorist groups, to many rich Saudis (among others) who used to be able to divert money are worried about drawing attention. I personally think that some of the more stable Mid East countries are finally starting to realize that perhaps terrorism hurts them more than it helps them.

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    Are we 100% sure that Al Qaeda exists, or that it is really the threat it's made out to be?

    Maybe I've read 1984 one too many times but this vague amorphous unconquerable entity just seems to have been designed to keep us all in an easily-controllable state of fear.

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    I've got stoner on ignore so sorry if I am not fully understanding the OP but I can still the topic titles and this one caught my eye.

    I think Bin Laden would vote for the anyone who wants to continue the war becase it give Bin Laden more ammo to use to recruit with

    that said I also think what Yekhefah wrote is not only interesting but possible

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    Of some of the stretchy points being made to support or oppose a candidacy, that's one of the stretchiest.

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    The thread title is hilarious!

    It reminds me of "What would Jesus do?" for some reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    Are we 100% sure that Al Qaeda exists, or that it is really the threat it's made out to be?

    Maybe I've read 1984 one too many times but this vague amorphous unconquerable entity just seems to have been designed to keep us all in an easily-controllable state of fear.
    Yes, to much 1984. Theres no conspiracy these people exist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    The latest reports change from month to month. 911 took Al Queda multiple years and multiple millions, and that was without a huge military prescense in the Mid East and also with a much more stable network.

    Other reports say that money sources are drying up for terrorist groups, to many rich Saudis (among others) who used to be able to divert money are worried about drawing attention. I personally think that some of the more stable Mid East countries are finally starting to realize that perhaps terrorism hurts them more than it helps them.
    9/11 was NOT Al Queda's first attack on us nor was it their first attempt within the U.S.; just the first successful one.

    Most of the Middle East countries "officially" were our allies and yet permitted their citizens to contribute to Al Queda- Saudi Arabia; Qatar; U.A.E. just to name three.

    Thanks to the New York Times; Al Queda was alerted to our tracking programs of their finances and so they just changed how they shipped money. They still have plenty of friends and front companies to help them finance operations.

    My BIG worry is that they'll do something BEFORE the election which will help McCain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    Of some of the stretchy points being made to support or oppose a candidacy, that's one of the stretchiest.
    The point is very simple. It's all well and good to focus on the economy and National Health Care and even illegal immigration. The problem is that the rest of the world keeps spinning and Al Queda hasn't gone away. It's perfectly legitimate to seriously contemplate who would be better on foreign policy and defense. I don't think it would be McCain and most of Hillary's experience consisted of having teas and sitting and listening like when Mrs. Arafat went off on Israel with a big batch of bullshit ( remember when she accused Israel of 'genocide' ) and then not saying anything in response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    Are we 100% sure that Al Qaeda exists, or that it is really the threat it's made out to be?

    Maybe I've read 1984 one too many times but this vague amorphous unconquerable entity just seems to have been designed to keep us all in an easily-controllable state of fear.
    We know who they are and where they are. Political complications ( Pakhistan
    has nuclear weapons ) have kept us from getting them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsQwerty View Post
    The thread title is hilarious!

    It reminds me of "What would Jesus do?" for some reason
    That's another thread. "Who Would Jesus Vote For". Who knows ? Which Jesus ?
    The Mormon one; the Baptist one ; the Methodist one ; the Catholic one; the Evangelical one ? Would it be the guy who said "render unto Caesar " or the one who said " as you did for the least of these so you did for me " or the one who said : " MY Kingdom is NOT of this world " ? Why do guys like Huckabee always seem to forget that part ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    9/11 was NOT Al Queda's first attack on us nor was it their first attempt within the U.S.; just the first successful one.

    Most of the Middle East countries "officially" were our allies and yet permitted their citizens to contribute to Al Queda- Saudi Arabia; Qatar; U.A.E. just to name three.

    Thanks to the New York Times; Al Queda was alerted to our tracking programs of their finances and so they just changed how they shipped money. They still have plenty of friends and front companies to help them finance operations.

    My BIG worry is that they'll do something BEFORE the election which will help McCain.
    Exactly it wasn't their first attempt, it was their first successful one. So what are they 1 for 4? 1 for 20? Who know's how many have failed. And that was before we had a huge increase in security. They'll never hijack another American plane, I doubt they'd be able to detonate a very large bomb in a building, they already tried that.

    Everything I have read says there ability to collect money has slowed, even from Middle Eastern allies. A successful business man in Dubai is realizing he doesn't want the US to come knocking about why he's funding terrorism. And I really think some of those people are starting to doubt the positive effects of the terrorism they helped fund.

    I honestly think it will be a long time (and I hope never) before another successful attack happens on US soil. I mean these guys have to stay hidden, too many people are looking for them, even Pakistan is pretending to look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    Exactly it wasn't their first attempt, it was their first successful one. So what are they 1 for 4? 1 for 20? Who know's how many have failed. And that was before we had a huge increase in security. They'll never hijack another American plane, I doubt they'd be able to detonate a very large bomb in a building, they already tried that.

    Everything I have read says there ability to collect money has slowed, even from Middle Eastern allies. A successful business man in Dubai is realizing he doesn't want the US to come knocking about why he's funding terrorism. And I really think some of those people are starting to doubt the positive effects of the terrorism they helped fund.

    I honestly think it will be a long time (and I hope never) before another successful attack happens on US soil. I mean these guys have to stay hidden, too many people are looking for them, even Pakistan is pretending to look.
    If your point is that the ACTUAL threat from Al Queda can be and has been exaggerated for political reasons; I agree with you. The problem is that they're still out there; we don't know how many sleepers or other operatives they've gotten into the U.S. in the last 6 years or so ( many reportedly U.S. CITIZENS ) so this is no time to let down our guard.

    They have a secure sanctuary in the Tribal areas between Pakhistan and Afghanistan. For political reasons Musharaf has not acted against them. His own Intelligence Service is riddled with Al Queda sympathizers.

    The Saudis and others are STILL financing madrassahs which are STILL breeding grounds for Radical Islam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    Are we 100% sure that Al Qaeda exists, or that it is really the threat it's made out to be?

    Maybe I've read 1984 one too many times but this vague amorphous unconquerable entity just seems to have been designed to keep us all in an easily-controllable state of fear.
    I've read not-unconvincing arguments that the Bush administration itself was involved in the bombing of the twin towers. I tend to think, rather, that they knew of the plan to attack and allowed it to happen so as to legitimise a presidency that was seen at the time as being unfairly won (among other motivations), but the fact remains that terrorism isn't necessarily solely an outside threat.

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    ^^^ Yup. Like Pearl Harbor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    If your point is that the ACTUAL threat from Al Queda can be and has been exaggerated for political reasons; I agree with you. The problem is that they're still out there; we don't know how many sleepers or other operatives they've gotten into the U.S. in the last 6 years or so ( many reportedly U.S. CITIZENS ) so this is no time to let down our guard.

    They have a secure sanctuary in the Tribal areas between Pakhistan and Afghanistan. For political reasons Musharaf has not acted against them. His own Intelligence Service is riddled with Al Queda sympathizers.

    The Saudis and others are STILL financing madrassahs which are STILL breeding grounds for Radical Islam.
    Yes, I think that the actual threat has been exaggerated, although I'm not really sure if I think thats so terrible. Because like you said, we should deffinatley not be ledaing our guard down.

    They still have to hide, and that "safe" area isn't nearly what they had 8 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flickad View Post
    I've read not-unconvincing arguments that the Bush administration itself was involved in the bombing of the twin towers. I tend to think, rather, that they knew of the plan to attack and allowed it to happen so as to legitimise a presidency that was seen at the time as being unfairly won (among other motivations), but the fact remains that terrorism isn't necessarily solely an outside threat.
    That is laughable.

    Pearl Harbor is one thing, our losses were not staggering, and it had the (forseeable) effect of getting us into a war that our politicians wanted.

    The only forseeable effects of 911 were economic turbulence and patriotism. Neither of which legitimise a presidency. If anything they take away from it, "Hey, he got elected and we got attacked!".

    Now I'm not saying there weren't warning signs, but nobody saw this coming and decided to let it happen anyway.

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    Gulf of Tonkin, the attack on the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor...if 9/11 was not a false flag operation designed to embroil us in war, it was an exception to the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    That is laughable.

    Pearl Harbor is one thing, our losses were not staggering, and it had the (forseeable) effect of getting us into a war that our politicians wanted.

    The only forseeable effects of 911 were economic turbulence and patriotism. Neither of which legitimise a presidency. If anything they take away from it, "Hey, he got elected and we got attacked!".

    Now I'm not saying there weren't warning signs, but nobody saw this coming and decided to let it happen anyway.
    Oh, I don't mean that the attack itself legitimised Bush's presidency. Perhaps I worded my post badly. I meant that Bush's response to the attack, plus the sense of vulnerability felt by the American public afterwards, meant that the Florida fiasco was all but forgotten. This, I think, was quite a forseeable response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flickad View Post
    Oh, I don't mean that the attack itself legitimised Bush's presidency. Perhaps I worded my post badly. I meant that Bush's response to the attack, plus the sense of vulnerability felt by the American public afterwards, meant that the Florida fiasco was all but forgotten. This, I think, was quite a forseeable response.
    There was no Florida "fiasco". Bush actually won every re-count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    Yes, I think that the actual threat has been exaggerated, although I'm not really sure if I think thats so terrible. Because like you said, we should deffinatley not be ledaing our guard down.

    They still have to hide, and that "safe" area isn't nearly what they had 8 years ago.
    According to most reports, they are rebuilding quite rapidly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    According to most reports, they are rebuilding quite rapidly.
    Whose reports?? The CIA's intelligence has been unreliable in the whole matter, as you said the Paki's aren't sharing amongst their own gov. let alone with anyone else. And didn't we just talk about overstating their threat level?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    There was no Florida "fiasco". Bush actually won every re-count.
    I heard the Supreme Court wouldn't order a recount, but this isn't from any US sources, this is from overseas media. I wasn't and never have been in the country, and naturally Americans would know their own election issues better than non-Americans.

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    WOW I hear Edwards won the recount! He had the most popular votes. But rumors who knows!
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