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    Default Hilary has commited a huge strategic error, but doesn't yet realize it !

    (snip)"February 12, 2008 -- A prominent member of the national Democratic Party has circulated a sharp e-mail saying the removal of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle was disloyal to Hispanics and should give "pause" to superdelegates and voters.

    The e-mail from, Steven Ybarra, a California superdelegate who heads the voting-rights committee of the DNC Hispanic Caucus, was sent to fellow caucus members in the hours after word broke that Solis Doyle - the most prominent Latina in Clinton's campaign - would be replaced by another close Clinton loyalist, Maggie Williams, who is black.

    The e-mail noted that Clinton, who is looking to Latino voters for a boost in the Texas and Ohio primaries on March 4, scored heavily with Hispanics in her California win.

    "Apparently, loyalty is not a two-way street," he wrote. "Latino superdelegates like myself . . . will have cause to pause."

    Ybarra told The Post yesterday that the loss of Solis Doyle, a child of Mexican immigrants, just weeks before the Texas primary, where 36 percent of the population is Hispanic, was "dumb as a stump." "(snip)


    stand by for major Obama primary wins, as Hilary's hispanic 'backstop' expresses their displeasure with this development by not showing up at the polls !


    Also it would seem that, unlike black voters who will apparently continue to support politicians that pandered to them even after the pandering stops, hispanic voters are far more likely to 'change course' in response to politician's recent actions. Heaven only knows what Hilary and her strategy gurus were thinking when they threw Patti Solis Doyle overboard in favor of 'Maggie the Bag Lady' (reference to incident involving a huge bag of undocumented and arguably illegal campaign contribution cash).

    However, the 'tin foil hat' crowd is speculating that Patti Solis Doyle's quick exit may be directly related to Hilary's new announcement that she can guarantee that there won't be any new 'surprises' from Bill.



    would he (or did he already) ?



    no 'surprises' likely here !
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    Default Re: Hilary has commited a huge strategic error, but doesn't yet realize it !

    ^^^I thought that her doing that was a mistake the second she did it, and it had nothing to do with hispanics.

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    ^^^ well, Hilary's contributors are starting to run scared, thus she just had to loan her campaign $5 million out of her personal fortune to maintain momentum ... maybe Maggie still has some of that Chinese contribution cash left in her bag ?!

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    Default Re: Hilary has commited a huge strategic error, but doesn't yet realize it !

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ well, Hilary's contributors are starting to run scared, thus she just had to loan her campaign $5 million out of her personal fortune to maintain momentum ... maybe Maggie still has some of that Chinese contribution cash left in her bag ?!
    lol, one of my exact thoughts. I also think that any time you replace such a key member of your organization at a stage like this, it looks bad. It looks bad to people other workers, and it looks bad to the public. She can't afford to show weakness.

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    One would assume that Hilary also got the 'gist' when latino voters handed Obama the Maryland primary win last night ! This constitutes a major shift in hispanic voter support AWAY from Hilary ... which is enough of a factor to knock her out of contention if it continues.

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    Heh, heh,heh. I told you so. I told you so.
    I told you folks that Bill was "dating" again. I honestly was not aware of any hanky panky with Solis-Doyle ( I've heard other names; not hers ) but it IS Hillary's style to tolerate Bill's extracurriculars unless and until they become or are about to become public. And when they do, her history is to throw the woman involved under the bus.

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    Default Re: Hilary has commited a huge strategic error, but doesn't yet realize it !

    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah View Post
    Then spin...

    "Unlike the incumbent, who constantly rewarded underperformance with praise and tenure, Senator Clinton has exhibited the courage to lay aside personal friendships and appoint someone whose strengths will help achieve our goals of bringing the best possible government to the people of this great nation..."

    OK, I'm (obviously) not a professional spin doctor and that's a bit – a lot – hokey, but you get the gist.
    Putting spin on it originally would have been a decent idea, but she didn't do that and now it's to late. Also, in some cases spin doesn't work. This is one of them, people aren't going to hear her version, they're going to see "top Clinton offical replace".

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    I'm eager to see how this affects matters in Texas on March 4. High hispanic population, for sure. *crosses fingers*


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    Default Re: Hilary has commited a huge strategic error, but doesn't yet realize it !

    ^^^Me too, she's been campaigning hard there... She really needs a win in Texas or Ohio. Otherwise I think Obama might just have too much momentum.

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    ^^^ well, whatever really happened in regard to the dumping of Patti Solis-Doyle has caused a lot of former Clinton supporters to suddenly 'sell them out' ...



    Of course the biggest boat-rocker is the organized backlash by hispanic democratic activists who are interpreting Hilary's dumping of Patti Solis-Doyle as a 'sellout'. If they manage to flip Texas hispanic support to Barack, Hilary will be in deep, deep trouble nomination wise. But remember that this is the Clintons we're talking about ... and with 25% superdelegates ( actively being worked by Chelsea ) plus lots of favors being owed by huge democratic bankrollers over the years ( you don't think those 11th hour pardons were forgotten about did you ? ) Hilary will still be a force to reckon with even if she does go into the convention behind in 'elected' delegates.

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    Default Re: Hilary has commited a huge strategic error, but doesn't yet realize it !

    Well, I must say! If Bill is sleeping with that woman. That will be a big slap in the face. You can fix your marriage. Yet, she is going to try to fix this country promblems.
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