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    Default Do you guys think stripping is getting more mainstream?

    Is it just me, or is every new hip song referencing "working the pole" or "making it rain" these days. Not to mention pole aerobics, etc. Am I the only one that thinks stripping is getting more mainstream every day?

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    Default Re: Do you guys think stripping is getting more mainstream?

    Yes, unfortunately. But I think it is faddish and cyclical like everything else. I'm ready for it to be seedy and forbidden again.

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    Default Re: Do you guys think stripping is getting more mainstream?

    yes, and it's killing our business.

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    Default Re: Do you guys think stripping is getting more mainstream?

    Stripping has been "mainstream" for years. Hip hop is just a lil behind the times Remember Madonna's Music video? Or the fashion model (forget her name) who did a vid dancing around a pole?

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    Default Re: Do you guys think stripping is getting more mainstream?

    It's soo hit the mianstream that All My Children--the daytime soap on ABC is actaully going to have a dancer from Dancing with the Stars on the show to teach the girls at Fusion and Ryan how to Pole Dance.

    ABC/Disney is about as mainstream as it gets and on a soap that's showing it as a positive let's all learn how to pole dance from the best professional dancers light that's new and trendy.

    Just like all this good -Hiphop, Tattoos, Bisexuallity, Metrosexuallity, and now stripping middel America rejects those involded and then markets it.

    I hated when gay/bi was the new cool at school and those that used to pick on me wanted to be with me or sleep with me, but it still was better then before when I had to worry about being killed, beatup, or raped over it so I took the good with the bad.

    the good thing about stripping going mainstream would be getting to put in out yr app years after dancing and getting some respect for it verses now when dancers generally won't do that if they want the job.
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    Default Re: Do you guys think stripping is getting more mainstream?

    Personally I think stripping being so mainstream is a large part of the reason it's so hard for us to make money. So many girls wanna do it now cuz it's so "cool" - we've got too many f'in girls dancing these days. Not only that, but the fact it's so common makes it less valuable to customers. Makes it harder for ALL to make money when supply is larger than demand. Imagine how much more we could ALL make if it weren't so damn commonplace.

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    Default Re: Do you guys think stripping is getting more mainstream?

    Absolutely. When you can walk into a Target and see a display on "Pole Training" by some random actress, it's been commercialized.

    All these expose's and news stories demystifying the MYSTERY of Stripclubs as well as marketing the novelty has drove a great divide from clubs cashing in on the Marketed-Novelty being supremely selective and demanding little of a crowd to smaller clubs trying to cash in on the Marketed-Sleaze by hiring anything with two legs and low constitutions.

    Now men with money who CAN afford to go to the good clubs are afraid to thanks to all the bad press, and the ones that DO go are trying to get laid on a shoestring budget.

    There is, however, a few clubs left that still uphold the standards of times of MY yore, but alas, they are succumbing to the temporary benefits of a limelight lifestyle as well.
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    Waaaah I wanna be a deviant whore!!

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    Default Re: Do you guys think stripping is getting more mainstream?

    Does anyone think this is just a fad or do you think it's here to stay? I would hate for our earnings to keep diminishing as the years go by.

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    Honestly? FAD! There are cycles of liberalism and conservatism in every culture.

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    I just find it hysterical...... that as a stripper I'm "hip" now.

    I'd like us to be considered status symbols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    Personally I think stripping being so mainstream is a large part of the reason it's so hard for us to make money. So many girls wanna do it now cuz it's so "cool" - we've got too many f'in girls dancing these days. Not only that, but the fact it's so common makes it less valuable to customers. Makes it harder for ALL to make money when supply is larger than demand. Imagine how much more we could ALL make if it weren't so damn commonplace.
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    Default Re: Do you guys think stripping is getting more mainstream?

    I'd be agreement here that strip clubs are in a state of being passe right now, and that popular culture does have a role to play in that, but as far as the lack of business goes, its by and far not the only factor. If anything, "mainstreaming" is what brought the "golden age" of SC's (late 80's through late 90's) about.

    I mean, even before the golden age, strip clubs weren't exactly anything new. Perhaps to understand why business has declined in recent years, you perhaps have to take into account the factors that brought strip clubs to prominence in the first place.

    - Conservative 80's backlash from loose 70's sexual mores
    - AIDS scare driving people to look for safe outlets for sexual desires
    - Gradual changing of strip clubs from seedy dives to upscale palaces making them more acceptable for regular joes to visit, and nice girls to work in.
    - General positive economic state of country during 1990's where people had plenty of discretionary income
    - It was relatively cheap to get out and about during this time. I remember seeing gasoline for $1.30 a gallon in 1997 and thinking that was high.

    So what has gone wrong since? Well...

    - There's been a backlash to the bashlash of 80's conservatism and what a lot of men use to pay strippers for is being given away for practically nothing from civilian women. Blame Britney Spears.
    - AIDS really doesn't make headlines like it did 20 years ago
    - Upscale clubs in many cases are nothing more than facades and in many smaller markets were never that much of an attraction to begin with
    - Discretionary income has largely dried up for the middle class.
    - It ain't so cheap to get out and about anymore. In fact, I'm ecstatic to see gas prices dip below $2.75 anymore (more than double what it cost in 1997).
    - The internet has allowed customers of sexually related services, including SC's, to become savvier shoppers.
    - Strict local ordinances, usually backed by sporadic if any enforcement have turned formerly clean clubs into dirty ones, decreasing the earnings/bullshit factor that dancers have to deal with, running a lot of nice gals off.
    - And discretionary product or service that becomes a financial success in due time usually gets overbuilt. You're not just seeing this with strip clubs. Golf courses and movie theatres are going through much of the same phase right now.

    A lot of strip clubs are going through what I call a "death spiral" right now. As customers are spending less money due to economic reasons or what have you, some of the dancers in a club (and usually the better ones) decide to leave. The remaining customers (and usually the better ones) not impressed by the drop in both quality and quantity decide the place isn't hopping anymore, so they leave, which takes even more money out of the club. Then the remaining dancers see the decrease and money and well...you get my point.

    My home club (or shall I say former home club, because I well...left) used to be running 20 ladies on a weeknight, and while it was never spectacular it was sustainable. There were usually 3-4 ladies I would buy dances from. Over the last couple of years it slowed to 15 dancers. Now they sometimes don't even have ten. The club didn't cap the shifts. Girls just aren't showing up anymore because there's nothing to show up for. Its almost as if SC's are back to that seedy pre 80's era again, albeit with nicer furniture.

    Some of the this stuff will cycle back to a rosier scenario in due time, but the ladies here may very well be grandmothers by the time it happens. Other aspects I'm afraid, namely the internet are going to be a permanent fixture.
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    Default Re: Do you guys think stripping is getting more mainstream?

    Yup. Indeed.


    Promote yourself and earn more money! This is a business that is owned by strippers for strippers. Let's make that money!


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    OMG doc, no one said mainstreaming was the ONLY factor for declining SC biz. Just one big one. Didn't need a huge diatribe to refute what didn't need to be refuted. sheesh

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    Default Re: Do you guys think stripping is getting more mainstream?

    yeah it sucks. everyones a fucking stripper now days. i remember back when i said i was a dancer people would be like oh wow i have a friend of a friend who dances. now its my neighbour, my sister, my mum and my pet hampster (slight exaggeration)
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    When I saw "The Idiot's Guide to Exotic and Pole Dancing" in the bookstore I knew things were out of control.

    As if there aren't enough morons in the industry already...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty_Penny View Post
    yes, and it's killing our business.
    True. But on a positive note I think all the poledance excersise classes are also making the stereotype of stripping less negative. Sucks that the two seem to have to go hand in hand though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    Personally I think stripping being so mainstream is a large part of the reason it's so hard for us to make money.
    I don't think it's so much stripping has become mainstream as nudity has become more commonplace.

    When nudity was a rarer commodity, it had a higher market value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmaxine View Post
    I just find it hysterical...... that as a stripper I'm "hip" now.

    I'd like us to be considered status symbols.
    I don't want to be a status symbol..I want to make money *whine*

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    Stripping has been "mainstream" for years.
    Yeup nothing new to me. Its been this way for years. Hopefully, one day it will go back to being a "bad" job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W View Post
    I don't think it's so much stripping has become mainstream as nudity has become more commonplace.

    When nudity was a rarer commodity, it had a higher market value.

    Phil.
    Nudity was commonplace in the 90s. Hell, where I was dancing in the 90s, when we made SO much more money, one could've simply walked outside the club at any given point to see girls flashing their tits for cheap beads on the street. Sometimes, especially during Mardi Gras, there are full-blown sex acts right out on the street. I've seen this happen in broad daylight. But the strippers twirling around on little pedestals inside the clubs, not even allowed to bend over and touch a guy's shoulder were making ooodles of cash dancing around in our 90s hiked-up thongs.

    The nudity argument just doesn't hold water. Strippers being way too common lately, does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigersMilk View Post
    I don't want to be a status symbol..I want to make money *whine*
    Yep.... I'd much rather be working in a taboo industry (and dealing with the flack) while making $$$.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    The nudity argument just doesn't hold water. Strippers being way too common lately, does.
    Agreed. It's so hip to be a stripper. The market gets spread thin,competition increases, guys become jaded, etc.

    No fun.
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    Default Re: Do you guys think stripping is getting more mainstream?

    Personally I think stripping being so mainstream is a large part of the reason it's so hard for us to make money. So many girls wanna do it now cuz it's so "cool" - we've got too many f'in girls dancing these days. Not only that, but the fact it's so common makes it less valuable to customers.
    Exactly. Because of the "cool" factor, clubs are hiring any chick with a pulse, even if she has no business being on a stage naked. It's jading and repelling simultaneously to customers like myself.

    The only demographic that has benefited from the irrational and self-defeating popularization of stripping is the extras-seeking raincoater group.
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