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    Default not dancing like a dancer?

    there's a new girl at my club (when isn't there). she's never danced before (most girls who come there have or typically don't get hired easily).

    she's not fat or "out of shape" but she's very "girl next door" soft, if that makes sense. she's a little chubby, but only in that "doesn't work out" kind of "girly" way.

    she doesn't do the typical "new dancer" dances... but she DOES dance like she's just drunk at home infront of her mirror. she doesn't try to "look like a stripper" like some new ones do.. but rather does the standard drunk-girl dance you'd see a college girl do on a bar table after a few too many cocktails. she -does- have rhythm though.

    all the girls bitched about it or pointed it out amongst themselves. like "that's not stripping" etc....

    but you know what? customers seem to love it. most of us are seasoned vets there.. so i suppose she stands out as fresh. she looks like she's having fun instead of going through the motions, and as i mentioned before, she's managed to avoid looking totally akward by not "trying to hard" to "dance like a stripper" right off the bat.

    she just gets up there, has fun, dances around and smiles a lot.

    and i suddenly find myself wishing i could lose a little bit of my professionalism.

    granted... there are quite a few customers who avoid her because she still stands out as new...

    but i wish i could find a middle. like, still look professional/experienced without looking routine. does anyone have any tricks or ideas for doing that? how can i put a fresher spin on my stage shows? i mean, i get complimented plenty on my dancing and i've gotten good at it, but i wonder if i'm TOO good (i know that sounds bad). i know part of the reason she appeals to customers is because she seems more attainable. she seems like the friend or girl next door who's "letting lose". us old hacks look like unattainable bitches. heh

    ? anyone feel the same way ?

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    Default Re: not dancing like a dancer?

    I hear ya!

    I've noticed this too.

    I don't go on stage as much as I used to, but what I always try to do is SMILE and MAKE EYE CONTACT at each and every customer at the stage. Project that you're having fun up there and respond to audience feedback.

    Really try to connect with every customer you interact with, at the stage or on the floor mingling. I move fast from custy to custy but my spiel varies.

    What I see with more "professional" dancers is that they become mechanical, and do the same moves repeatedly while staring at themselves in the mirror. Try not to be too rehearsed, maybe?

    That being said some guys just go after the the obvious newbs.

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    Seriously, I get this all the time. I've been trained as a model and walk around the club like I'm on the catwalk and my stageshow looks like I'm professionally trained even when I'm not trying, but that's just me being me. I get the I'm too smart, too pretty, too professional bs for days, and you can't win for sh--.

    There's always going to be somebody that's intimidated by your fabulousness and when I ask guys about this they don't want me to dumb down and start looking like plain jane or drunk sue to get a dance. So, I'm only going to bend so much.

    There's something special about all of us that make us stand out. So, highlight that, not something that isn't you and something that's less than what you're capable of.

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    We're always told to dance slow, slow, slow. But heres an observation too: I've heard a lot of Mexican (and central, and south American) customers whine about how boring American stage shows are, and how girls where they're from really DANCE, fast, and are far more entertaining as a result. So... sometimes I do a dirtied up version of go-go dancing, slow arm movements paired with some really fast ass ass/thigh shaking. And you know what? They really go for it; I've gotten a lot of stage $ that way. I think those guys have a stronger appreciation for stage shows, and at the end of the night, that stage $ can really add up, even if it doesn't seem like much at the moment.

    Overall I think the slow sensual movements look great, but people want a break from the same ol' more than anything else, especially when they come to a strip club to indulge fantasy. Doing something that sets you apart from the other gals (in a good way) is always a good thing : ).

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    Default Re: not dancing like a dancer?

    Girls like that girl you mentioned seem easier, more personable. Like a said in a previous thread, guys don't have to feel so insecure with a girl like that.

    Don't change the way you opperate. Always remember to fash a smile, while making eye contact, while touching a part of your body. Works like a charm. Also key is to have confidence without seeming like a bitch. That is a tricky one. People think I am a bitch sometimes. Some guys have told me that they thought I would be a bitch. It also helps to throw in a little " I am a little naive...a little demeure" from time to time.

    One time I went to tip a girl on stage who was beautiful. She made blank eye contact and stared up at the heavens, Like...yeah I know I am all that just give me the fucking tip and go sit back down. That made her look so ugly to me. I have seen many other dancers do the same...so I can see where a guy would not approach a girl like that, no matter how pretty and instead tip the fun....more "down to earth' girl.

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    Default Re: not dancing like a dancer?

    When i 1st started stripping the other strippers didn't know what to think of me and gave me alot of heat about the fact I didn't dance like them (slow and seducive). I had spent years doing go-go dancing for underground clubs that played rock, gothic ind, and hip-hop so I was used to stomping and steping and lots of fast movements not to mention dancing in sneakers, boots..ect The whole girtlie thing was new to me as well so I stood out was an understatement.

    It was also very obvious I had style and I could dance (so the customers loved that off the bat as I was something fresh and new for them top watch), but it didn't seem to fit (among the dancers) till with time I learned how to make it work by picking up on what I learned from watching the other girls, practiced using my hips more, learned a few pole tricks and how to dance in the heels. Now however where I used to be teased by the other girls I ussually get compliments for my differences as they can see I love dancing and that on stage I bring my own style to it.

    Anyhow I went to a big Valentines party where they hired out alot of super hot runways strippers and while those girls looked flawless floating and modeling around the poles alot of the girls from my club who party w/me were there watching bored, cuz those dancers didn't have a pulse. Sorry they were beautiful to no end and they looked sexy sliding down those poles, but come on they were blueprint carbon copies of eachother and that gets old real quick. The 15min fashion show felt like an hour and I was over the wow they were hott soo fast it wasn't funny simply becuz their dancing was like having a whole conversation in monotune.

    As for the fun factor---yes there are times I rather do chores then be on stage and hate being there, but when I hit the stage I don't care if I have to fake it for myself and just go with the song I'll do it. Because I'm not going to get good tips if I'm doing a blah job with a blah expression on my face. No matter what I feel like people who see me onstage truely buy my act and believe I love doing it. That's part of why they tip me often onstage and thank me after. It's part of our jobs to sell them the experience that they are at the club being entertained by 1/2 naked women that want to dance and put a show on for them so if you are not smiling and making that effort to sell them the fun factor in it they are going to feel the same way about tipping you that you projected in dancin for them.
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    Default Re: not dancing like a dancer?

    your moves are great they have been making you money all this time, but if you need to refresh, why dont you go as a custy to another club and adopt others moves that you never seen before, and add it to your routine?

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    Default Re: not dancing like a dancer?

    Some male input FWIW. I'll make the comments becuase I've had a long interest in body language and I pick up the non-verbal aspects to dancer/customer interactions.

    There's another factor which you ladies might like to consider.

    A lot of guys who come onto a strip club want to buy into the illusion that your primary motive for dancing is not money but exhibitionism - they like to think you're getting a kick out of what you do.

    Quote Originally Posted by dollyrocker View Post
    people want a break from the same ol' more than anything else, especially when they come to a strip club to indulge fantasy.
    When you become too polished, you come across (as Pretty Penny says) as 'going through the motions'. It gives the impression that you've become so jaded that you're dancing on autopilot - and bang goes the illusion that you're dancing partially for your own pleasure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty_Penny View Post
    i get complimented plenty on my dancing and i've gotten good at it, but i wonder if i'm TOO good
    Now dangerousdiva's point is a good one....

    Quote Originally Posted by dangerousdiva View Post
    I don't go on stage as much as I used to, but what I always try to do is SMILE and MAKE EYE CONTACT at each and every customer at the stage. Project that you're having fun up there and respond to audience feedback.
    ....but smiling and eye contact is only part of it. If you have become too slick and polished, the eye contact will just come across as part of the act - body language (yours, mine, anyone's) always gives away more than we want.

    You'll find the 'fantasy seeking' customers who come into strip clubs like newbie dancers because they give the impression (real or imagined) that they get pleasure out of what they do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty_Penny View Post
    there's a new girl at my club (when isn't there). she's never danced before...all the girls bitched about it or pointed it out amongst themselves. like "that's not stripping" etc....but you know what? customers seem to love it.
    So being *too* polished can actually be detrimental to your earnings - it means you might come across as a girl going through the motions. And if a guy wants to buy dances from a girl 'getting a kick out of it', he'll look for the less 'expert' dancer.

    Phil.

    PS - I personally appreciate a really skilled dancer - but then other customers can have different agendas - cf above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W View Post
    A lot of guys who come onto a strip club want to buy into the illusion that your primary motive for dancing is not money but exhibitionism - they like to think you're getting a kick out of what you do.
    Exactly.

    There was a girl I've mentioned before at my old club who was the master of looking like she was into her dancing, she was more of an ass shaker/pop-drop-lock-er but did it well and combined it with grace and a few decent pole tricks and just always looked like she knew she was the shit up there on stage and she just looked like she felt sexy. She would always make a killing onstage; people that were not tipping anyone would be inspired to tip her, she would get bystanding customers from anywhere in the club to come and tip her on stage without saying a word or even looking at them. She never made much eye contact with the audience now that I think about it but she was very sweet, grateful and personable towards the guys when they came to her. I learned a lot from her.

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    It doesn't surprise me that she is doing well. It's that same sort of appeal that makes amateur night so popular.

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    There was a new girl at my club last fall who SUCKED on stage -- everyone teased her about it, including the DJ, over the mic, while she was on stage. Her dancing was very spastic, very hard and fast. She made A TON of money, too. Probably part of it had to do with the fact that she was barely out of high school, and looked it, but I'm sure it had a lot to do with the fact that she just looked...new. What I took from that is that customers don't want a "perfect" stage show as much as they want a girl who looks fresh and fun.

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    I totally did this when I started working. Instead of just putting my back to the pole, look at myself in the mirror, and writhe as slow as possible, I asked for really upbeat house-ish music and made sure I smile the whole time. I also made eye contact with EVERYONE from the stage. And I winked lol.

    I was trying to play off the whole Fresh Southern College Girl In The City schtick, and it worked VERY WELL.

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    We had a dancer who did not dance like a stripper at all but similar to what many have observed here, she made great money simply because she looked like she was enjoying herself.

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    ^^ exactly! she looked like she was enjoying herself.


    Along the same lines as above and what others have said, I think the biggest factor is not the specific "style" of dancing [slow and stripper-y or fast and club-like]- but that you appear to customers like you really enjoy what you're doing. I always hear customers complain about the girls who don't smile, stare at the mirror or look elsewhere with a bored expression---these are usually the girls that have been working for awhile and the novelty of dancing nekkkid has worn off.
    So, just keep pretending to have a good time

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