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    Default Nader Throws His Hat in the Ring Once More

    As Announced on Meet The Press this moring:
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    Default Re: Nader Throws His Hat in the Ring Once More

    oh god. Not again

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    Who is the dumb ass that keeps telling him he's relevant? Or that he has been relevant in the last 25 years?
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    I wish more people would vote for him. I won't because I don't agree with his policies and I don't think he'd be a good president, but the Democrat Party might start actually listening to its base if people voted for Nader instead. I feel the same way about Libertarian candidates and the Republican Party, for the record; I'm a registered Republican and I make a point of voting for candidates who actually serve their constituency instead of corporate lobbyists.

    Voting these two corrupt, irrelevant parties into office over and over fixes nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    I wish more people would vote for him. I won't because I don't agree with his policies and I don't think he'd be a good president, but the Democrat Party might start actually listening to its base if people voted for Nader instead. I feel the same way about Libertarian candidates and the Republican Party, for the record; I'm a registered Republican and I make a point of voting for candidates who actually serve their constituency instead of corporate lobbyists.

    Voting these two corrupt, irrelevant parties into office over and over fixes nothing.
    but uits a 2 party system, that is how it was designed, or rather that is what happened after the design. Take 1 issue, and have the 2 groups be orp vs con on the issue, the system doesn't really let a 3rd party into that equation.

    What I tihnk could happen is that someone who is much more conservative then McCain could run as an ind. and that would hurt his chances significantly/ I think your almost on the verge of seeing true-republicans and conservative-republicans split. To me there is a difference, because, if you look at what the republicans once stood for, its counter to what alot of their policies are now; ie less government, more freedom of choice......

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    It was never designed as a two party system. In fact, when parties started showing up, the old revolutionists still alive were staunchly against them.

    This country needs way way more options. Out of 300,000,000 people we can only come up with 10 people to lead? Most of them rehashes over and over?

    The powers that be have created a bigger illusion of the US population than any strip club can. So many of us fall on both sides of the lines (I am a social liberal/fiscal conservative.) Yet the pundits and illusion makers try to cut people from either "those damn hippie" cloth or "those crazy Christians" cloth.

    The country and nearly everyone in it is a tapestry of issues and their importance to that person and where that person stands on it.

    I wouldn't mind seeing Congress filled with seven parties instead of the three that are there now.

    I don't think I have met anyone who thinks the party system as it is now is working. I commend Nader on throwing his hat in the ring and am appalled by people who want to tell another American to sit down and shut up. What the fuck has happened to our country?

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    ^^^ If our congress had seven parties nothing would ever get done...

    All Nader is going to do is help Hillary so I wish he would just have stayed out of it... In my opinion he just see's a chance where he might be able to snag a decent amount of votes...

    We need a "no-party" system... Then maybe people would vote for the person that was actually going to help them... And the elected might also try and help their constituents for once...

    I know that's impossible and to some degree it wouldn't work at all, but I still wish it would happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    ^^^ If our congress had seven parties nothing would ever get done...
    Actually, if our Congress had seven distinct parties, there would be more coalition- and consensus-building and more beneficial and popular things would get done, IMHO.

    But since we have just the two parties (sorry, Libertarian, Constitution, and Green party members, or others, you don't have much pull at the national level), the way to effect change is to reform the party that closest to what you believe. And one does that by running primary candidates against incumbents in your party. Don't just sit back and throw up your hands at "the party" when what you're really complaining about is the actions of the party leadership, 'cause we, the voters and volunteers and political junkies, we are the party.

    And on topic, Mr. Nader is the definition of a vanity candidate, much like Mr. Bloomberg would've been. I wouldn't try to stop him but he brings next to nothing to the debate. If he'd had the courage to run as a Democrat or Republican, he may have influenced the positions of the parties in favor of his particular pet ideas. But not as a third-party candidate.
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    John McCain sends an early 'thank-you' note !

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    Something tells me that a lot of people who might have voted for Nader in 2000 aren't going to do it this time after what happened back then, particularly if Obama gets the nomination.

    Besides that, a third party would be only relevant in tipping the balance in a swing state. If you're disgusted thoroughly enough by your two major party options and your state overwhelmingly goes for one party, well...you might as well make that third party protest vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    ^^^ If our congress had seven parties nothing would ever get done...
    You are aware that there are actual countries that do this, right?

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    ^^MMP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_m...representation

    I would think it is available in more than the countries listed.

    2 parties... opposition and government does not necessarily mean that you have 2 actual parties. Just multiple parties aligned on certain goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dottie Rebel View Post
    You are aware that there are actual countries that do this, right?
    Sure India has about 800...

    Yet in these countries, 2 or 3 real powerhouses exist. I can't think of a country that has a congress/parliament/etc. that is really divided up (close to equally) between 7 parties...

    France is one of the few examples and even they have pretty much been a 2 party system for the last 20 or so years...

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    Israel has a multiparty parliament built on coalitions. That works better in a parliament though.

    Our best bet is to throw out one of these major two or let them merge together, just like we've always done. It has not been the Democrats vs. the Republicans since 1776. Parties grow, become comfortable and start serving themselves rather than their constituency, and eventually one or both winds up replaced. One of these two (both of them, really) needs to go the way of the Whigs, the Know-Nothings, or the Federalists.

    Interestingly, the Democratic-Republican Party was one of our earlier parties. I find that amusing given the spirit of so-called "bipartisanship" that causes politicians of both major parties today to vote together more than 85% of the time. There's really no difference between the two - you can either vote to maintain the status quo, or you can vote third party. That's it.

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    Luckily for us democrats, Nader is completely irrelevant and no one votes for him anymore. There's a lot of stupid people in this country, but after what happened in 2000 people aren't dumb enough to vote for Nader again.

    I think people realize that Nader is a complete egomaniac who has to get validation from being in the news. If Bloomberg runs at least he would be a legitimate candidate with a shot at winning because of his finances.

    In my opinion, Nader is just an Incredibly Enormous Douche!!!

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    ^^^ As opposed to Al Gore, who is... what exactly? Or Hillary Clinton, or Barak Obama? Or for that matter, Rudy Giuliani or John McCain or Fred Thompson? They're all just politicians. They're interchangeable. At least Nader has a platform built on the views of his base.

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    ^^^^^^^
    I don't have a problem with what Nader did in 2000, but to run again now when he's not even going to get 2% of the vote just doesn't make any sense. What's the purpose of him running?

    He also goes about the entire process the wrong way by just jumping in to the election as a third party candidate. If he really wants to get his views out than he should have done what Ron Paul did. Paul is a libertarian but he ran for the republican nomination so he could debate and get his views out, and he won a lot of respect for it.

    I completely lost respect for Nader back in the early 2000s when he came out against the NBA on behalf of the Sacramento Kings saying their playoff series with the Lakers was fixed. When he did that he lost all legitimacy as a consumer advocate in my eyes, and just became a crazy publicity whore.

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    What's the purpose of him running?
    to force Barack and Hilary to pay more attention to former Nader supporters, and the policies they advocate.

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    YOU. ALL. MUST. VOTE. NADER.

    Hehe I love that pic.

    Seriously though, he's a good man. I doubt I'll vote for him, but with the changes he provoked in the auto industry and others he's probably made a bigger difference in all of our lives - and saved more lives - than any of the other candidates. The Nader trashing is kind of weak.

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    It's kind of like political terrorism. IE, You saw our ability to "blow up" your election and we now threaten the same result unless you capitulate and fold our views into a party plank.

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    He is NOT needed in this race. His issues are being discussed. Obama does offer the opportunity for real change.
    Nader thinks the Dems are guaranteed to landslide the Reps. this year. I don't think so. His presence on the ballot could matter. Ralph is stuck on some sort of ego trip. He won't even be included in the debates for Pete's sake.

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    Two word solution --> Instant runoff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rooster470 View Post
    What's the purpose of him running?
    To remind the Democrat Party that they have a base, and they are not representing that base, and they will lose elections if they don't pay more attention to their constituency. Hillary Clinton is just as much a corporate whore as George W. Bush, and while I am neither Democrat nor Green, I think it's a very good thing when people have the opportunity to remind their leaders who they're supposed to serve.

    Quote Originally Posted by rooster470 View Post
    He also goes about the entire process the wrong way by just jumping in to the election as a third party candidate. If he really wants to get his views out than he should have done what Ron Paul did. Paul is a libertarian but he ran for the republican nomination so he could debate and get his views out, and he won a lot of respect for it.
    He did not. He's been marginalized as much as possible because they know they can do that; once the primaries are over, they can get back to business as usual. Ron Paul threatens no real elections, and his run for the Republican nomination will have no effect in November. The best we conservatives can hope for is an independent run by Bloomberg, a la Ross Perot. I'm willing to lose some elections to liberals if it makes the point that the Republicans need to start listening to Big Taxpayer instead of Big Pharm.

    (For the record, I do like Paul and I'm voting for him in Oregon's primary. But let's not kid ourselves.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post

    He did not. He's been marginalized as much as possible because they know they can do that; once the primaries are over, they can get back to business as usual. Ron Paul threatens no real elections, and his run for the Republican nomination will have no effect in November.
    (For the record, I do like Paul and I'm voting for him in Oregon's primary. But let's not kid ourselves.)
    People may make fun of Paul, but I guarantee the RNC has taken note of the amount of support he's won in many of the primaries. Paul has had a greater effect on this election than Nader will have in the general. Obama is considered the most liberal of democrats so no one is going to vote for Nader. Nader has nothing to offer this election. I'd be shocked if he got even 1% of the vote.

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    Well, I disagree with you about Ron Paul making a lasting impression on the party leadership. As for Nader, I'm sure his success will depend largely on who gets the Democrat nomination. I would like to see him get enough to qualify for federal funding next time around, though.

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