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    Golden_Rule what is the point of this post? Really?? Do you want us all to throw up our arms, fall to your feet and proclaim your almighty, all knowing, inside scoop on the Adult Film Industry?

    You have brought up several points that were refuted by members of this board that ARE in the industry, and yet you won't accept what they are telling you. What is the obsession with being “right”??

    You asked questions that were answered over and over... just not answered the way you wanted them to be. I for one will take what Cam and Crow have to say with much greater weight that what you are trying to sell.
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    I'm going to state my view on this subject and yes I expect people to disagree but these are the facts. YES, STDs can be possibly spread through porn. There are a lot of careless and/or dumbass porn producers that don't want to waste the time/hassle of checking everyones' most current STD test results, or else they mix up test results. There are some low-budget or amateur porn sites that don't even bother to STD test anyone, and will literally pick up random hot chicks from the bar for the site(an acquaintence of mine runs a site like this). I know of someone that was in this situation and as a result she ended up having unprotected intercourse with a male who was HIV positive for a porn shoot, and the guy had been aware of his status for minimum two months prior to that. She was a newbie to the biz so she didn't know to check the guy's results in-person, since the producer claimed he had everything all good but in reality he lost/mixed up the results. She is EXTREMELY lucky that she turned out HIV free but she was worried sick for months about it.

    Cameron_Keys brings up a great point, that people in porn are more diligent about STD testing, and that only "clean" people are allowed to do most porn shoots. That is very true. However, there is still a rare chance of shit hitting the fan. E.g., a careless producer. Or someone that has a lot of promiscuous unprotected sex in their personal lives off the set. Or someone contracting HIV or another STD after they test "negative" but before it shows up in the next round of test results. Remember, HIV is most easily spread within the first month or two of contraction, since the body hasn't produced the antibodies yet in response to the HIV virus, resulting in a superhigh HIV viral load. And although most people in porn

    Look at Lara Roxx, an example of a porn star that thought "porn people were the cleanest people in the world" but ended up contracting HIV from Darren James. He contracted HIV after testing "negative" but before his test results expired(test results are good for ~30 days), and she ended up getting it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    I can only discuss the US as I've never worked abroad and therefore have no personal knowledge on how the industry works there. I do know that the last HIV outbreak was brought back from a performer who worked in, I believe Brazil,during the off season.
    Yes I believe the guy you speak of was Darren James, and that was in 2004. He had sex with an HIV infected Brazilian model as part of a shoot. (The Brazilian had recently contracted it from a shoot with a transvestite or a hermaphrodite I think) Then he went back to the US to shoot a 3some double anal video with porn newcomer Lara Roxx. Because he'd only contracted the HIV a few days earlier, he was still able to produce "clean" test results. Then Lara Roxx got HIV and so did a few other girls Darren James worked with shortly after, such as Jessica Dee(name?). The porn industry had to shut down for 30 days and produce a quarantine list of all the people who'd slept with the infected or exposed individuals. Scary stuff.

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    Philly...yes I've said several times that STD's ARE in the industry. No matter how safe you are...shit happens sometimes. Thats the chance you take. My ONLY point was that people who are tested are less likely to have them then people who arent. Period. Thats just common sense.

    And yes, I was talking about Darren James. The industry came down HARD and contained the spread so fast that only a few people were affected.

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    Holy shit, 98% of the population are potential herpes carriers. The reason I am interested in this is because I had a college roomate who almost didn't let me live with them because he knew I'd had cold sores (face) when I had been ill. Chances are he's a carrier too. In your face biatch!

    Thanks for the info. I hope you don't think I am trying to accusatory Cam and Crow. Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyLuck View Post
    My reason is because while some or even most US manstream porn performers may get tested every month- aren't they also are exposed to many, many more sexual partners than the average non porn performer?
    The logic my thoughts are running around, right or wrong, isn't that its about more exposures but that what exposures that might take place are within a confined group.

    That's a plus if everyone is being tested for everything, but can quickly become a minus if one person slips into the group with an infectious agent.

    Like a small office where everyone is sitting almost on the next person's lap and someone comes in with a cold, most of the folks are going to catch it.

    That said, we all take different risks in life so please don't think I am passing any judgements here because I am not, I just find this debate interesting.
    I doubt any of us are judging anyone. A curious comment was made and it leaves room for speculation, so the obvious is being asked. That's all I see taking place.
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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    This isn't supposed to stir up anyone, I'm just curious but if you only get tested every 28 days whats to say a worker does contract a STD during those 28 days. I'm not even talking about getting an STD from another worker, necessarily. I'm sure a lot of people in porn do not have truly monogamous relationships with their bf/gf/husband/wife. If an actor meets up with someone at the bar and has sex with them the day after being tested gets an STD, and then makes some movies...wont those people be just as likely of catching something than a non-industry person. All it takes is someone having sex with one non-industry person before they are retested to make the fact that industry people get tested every 28 days obsolete.

    Is everyone on a different 28 day cycle, or does everyone get tested at the end of the month or whatever? I suppose if people were on different cycles it would increase the chances of someone coming back positive quicker, but they still would have contracted it.

    I know nothing about the porn industry, and don't claim to, I'm just curious on how that all works.

    EDIT: The monogamous statement is not supposed to be derogatory. I'm just assuming that there are single people in porn.

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    Default Re: STD's in the porn industry [aka, because she asked it to be posted in a new threa

    Quote Originally Posted by SportsWriter2 View Post
    Maybe this will resolve some of the issues for you:

    http://www.villagevoice.com/people/0...,77775,24.html

    Testing protects the performer population more than the individual.
    I am familiar with the "Village Voice" article as I read it when it was first published.

    It was part of why I posted my question to Crow and Cameron in the first place. In it Bella Donna, a very big star in the industry who has no problem with it but did retire [in part, she says, because of the amount of STDs one is exposed to on set] states quite boldly she caught Herpes on a porn shoot. Also in the article is Sharon Mitchell's comment that at least 50% of the actors in porn are HSV infected. Which is why I thought it was odd that Cameron stated she never ran across anyone who was.

    Anyway, this is rehash.
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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    A lot of good info so far. Thanks !

    When you go to a shoot are you supposed to check your co/workers yourself ? Or do you pretty much rely on the saying of the agent/bureau/producer ?

    I also understand you are suposed to keep some sort of log !?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow2 View Post
    AGAIN ,,, Cali is not the only place porn is made. Did you add that into your info.
    You are getting defensive and there is no reason to. Please know that no one is picking on you personally. We are talking about an industry. I stated up front I am using California because when you talk about porn, you're talking Southern California as the leader of the industry and the setter of standards. I acknowledged they make porn in other places, AND that I knew little about how it was done in those other places [except NY because I have a good friend in the production side who does adult web content].

    This is an attempt at legitimate discussion. Please take note that no one is interjecting personalities into it except yourself.

    If your not in the industry why do you care? Plus. Why do you seem so eager to prove the people who work in porn are all infected?
    First, I'm not trying to prove any such thing.

    Second, I stated the two reasons I asked.

    1) The more important reason: This is a board about one facet of the sex industry. There is cross over, as you and Cameron represent yourselves, with other sections of the sex industry. What gets posted as information and is claimed to be fact on this board some people may use in their decision making processes. Therefore, when people post things and claim them to be fact they actually ought to be fact. If they are opinion they should be stated as such. This because it could effect other people.

    2) The far less important reason: Personal curiosity. Someone stated something to be empirical in nature. This didn't jive with what I was lead to believe, by my readings and convos with people I know in the industry, to be the case. So I asked a legit question about it.

    So, what gives exactly? Are you on a crusade? Writing a book or is it just downright morbid curiousity?
    What gives is only just precisely what is written above. No one is on a crusade. All that is present is a request for intellectual integrity, legitimate curiosity, and inquiring minds. Again, the only person injecting personality into the discussion is yourself when you attempt to make this about the people asking the question instead of the question itself.

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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Ooookay, here's another thought for you GR. All this so called data you've cut and pasted here. Is there proof that the statements are true and correct? Some people will do anything to draw attention to themselves. Even holler that they have some incurable funk.

    People are sick like that.

    The facts of the matter are this. Cameron who has worked longer in the industry than I have whould know what she is talking about. Plus simple logic would say that she like herself would guard her health in the most vigalent manner possible. As she is a very bright lady and would not want to distroy her means of making a living.

    She and I have both explained to you many times how it works.

    Are there sleazy people in porn? Why yes there is. Its just like any other business. There's always someone wanting to take advantage.

    You can look and hunt up all the info that disputes what we tell you. People get burned and they strike out. It happens.

    So. Untill you've worked in the industry for some DECENT people that simply want to make film and money. I would suggest you hush up. There's enough sterotypical propaganda about sex workers and the adult industry as it is.

    Thank you and have a happy day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joplin View Post
    This isn't supposed to stir up anyone, I'm just curious but if you only get tested every 28 days whats to say a worker does contract a STD during those 28 days. I'm not even talking about getting an STD from another worker, necessarily. I'm sure a lot of people in porn do not have truly monogamous relationships with their bf/gf/husband/wife. If an actor meets up with someone at the bar and has sex with them the day after being tested gets an STD, and then makes some movies...wont those people be just as likely of catching something than a non-industry person. All it takes is someone having sex with one non-industry person before they are retested to make the fact that industry people get tested every 28 days obsolete.

    Is everyone on a different 28 day cycle, or does everyone get tested at the end of the month or whatever? I suppose if people were on different cycles it would increase the chances of someone coming back positive quicker, but they still would have contracted it.

    I know nothing about the porn industry, and don't claim to, I'm just curious on how that all works.

    EDIT: The monogamous statement is not supposed to be derogatory. I'm just assuming that there are single people in porn.
    You bring up a lot of great points about all of the potential risks involved. I agree with you 100%!

    As for the 28 day cycle...everyone is on different cycles. The 28 day period ends 28 days after you get STD tested. So someone might do a shoot only a few days after their results come back, or someone might shoot over 3 weeks after the results have come back. Likewise, it might be someone's first shoot since he/she was verified "clean"...or perhaps that person already shot with 20 other people since those so-called "current" test results.

    Cameron_Keys, I hope you do not think I'm criticizing the industry completely. I just know of a few very VERY scary experiences that can occur when someone slips up with the paperwork. I do agree with you about the points that you brought up and as much STD risk that porn can expose, there are definitely riskier activities(e.g., random orgies at frat parties or other personal life situations where nobody gets tested before or after).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nini Nieb View Post
    A lot of good info so far. Thanks !

    When you go to a shoot are you supposed to check your co/workers yourself ? Or do you pretty much rely on the saying of the agent/bureau/producer ?

    I also understand you are suposed to keep some sort of log !?
    CHECK THE OTHER ACTORS' TEST RESULTS YOURSELF! DON'T TAKE THE DIRECTOR'S WORD THAT THEY'VE BEEN SEEN, MAKE SURE YOU SEE THEM IN WRITING AND/OR FROM THE LAB TESTING WEBSITE. If you rely on the director/producer to verify results, you are trusting that person's integrity and/or competency. There is always the small chance of a director fucking up and then you accidentally filming with an infected actor/actress. You do not want to take that chance.

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    very soon normal dating will resemble pornstar's exchanging lab results.

    i carry a copy of mine in my car glove box just in case. it has saved more than one date from going sour
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Actually - don't you think it would pretty silly for Cameron to trust your second and third hand anecdotal information rather than, you know... her own first hand anecdotal evidence?
    Certainly she should. I didn't suggest she should trust my information for a moment. That isn't the matter at hand.

    What I said was, to paraphrase, "You said this is fact. You stated it as empirical. Don't you mean this is actually your own opinion based on your first hand anecdotal evidence." To which she responded, again to paraphrase, "It's not opinion. Its fact."

    And so it went.

    You've just engaged in a typically male conversation pattern and demanded that someone refute your intuition that is vaguely supported by "some people you know" who are "related to the industry". So I have a better idea. Why doesn't Cam take a turn being the guy; now you prove that what she is claiming is inaccurate. We want proof that no studio has ever had to stop filming because of these STIs. Present your facts and then we will determine the validity of it, and let you know if it is adequate "proof". Go.
    I said it was reading in major, respected, publication [than posted links to a couple and others posted links as well] bolstered by comments made by friends of mine in the industry.

    Please note that you, not I, are making this personal when you make this about the question asker and not the question.

    I'm just saying. It's not like you've presented "proof" of anything.
    I am not the person stating something is factual. I am the person asking, "Is that actually factual?" If I was the person stating something was factual, as I said in previous posts, I would have absolutely no problem responding to someone asking me politely to back what I said up, and would do precisely that [though most times it isn't necessary to ask because I usually include the info supporting my statements of fact, when I claim something to be fact and not opinion].

    The reasons why I asked were clearly stated, and restated again above.

    I don't see why when someone says something is fact a male member of the board can't say and be taken seriously and treated with some respect [I've been nothing if not respectful myself], "Ummm, that doesn't jive with what I've read, seen, been told by others in the industry, etc. Care to tell me why you state what you are saying is fact, and not opinion?"

    Others have questions as well but no one is calling them on the reason why they would ask. Could it be it is because they have a tad bit more estrogen in their system than testosterone? Why is it impossible for a guy to ask a legit question around here without having to duck?

    Look, those who made the claims don't want to respond to the question or admit what was posted was less than empirical and was closer to opinion that's just fine. Discerning readers will read the thread and decide from themselves because someone asked a question and they can read the replies.

    Just know that if no one asks the question than what is stated as fact stands as fact and others may use that info to make decisions on. That may not serve in the best interest of a board that serves the stripper community.

    [Please pardon my growing frustration. I just got told a legitimate desire to discuss something in a scientific manner is absurd because I have a penis.]
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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    I'm not going to name names on a public google-able forum. It would be career suicide.
    I don't understand why because you wouldn't be naming names of infected people. Just people who said they didn't want to work with infected people.

    I also asked if you could name a major studio that will refuse to let someone work if they know they have Herpes, or that even requires a test for it to work on one of their films. You went right past that.

    Look. It is obvious to me that you won't, or can't, back up what you stated to be fact. Therefore you'll have to excuse me if I say that it is actually opinion.

    That's fine. It is just that I would suggest that next time, if you want to be 100% intellectually honest [and yes, that is what I strive for myself] you say, "It is my first hand observation.", or, "it is my opinion", instead of, "This is a fact.".

    I'm not sure why you are SO adament and eager to prove this point. Will it make you feel somehow safer or more moral?
    I said why I was interested and I said why I thought it was important. I said it again above. Either you didn't read it, forgot you read it, or just ignored it.

    Unless someone gives me reason to do otherwise I'm dropping the matter. I'm tired of having my integrity questioned because I happen to be male. There is enough present to allow any reader who wants to make up their own mind about if what was said is actually fact, or opinion.

    [why I think so: What else is one to think when others have questioned the validity as factual the statement that was made but their reasons for having a a question hasn't been assailed and the only difference that is discernible is they are female and I'm not?]

    {sigh}
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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    Certainly she should. I didn't suggest she should trust my information for a moment. That isn't the matter at hand.
    Of course it is. You are presenting a counter position and demanding that she prove hers to show that yours is wrong. You are not an empirical observer, contending nothing. The reason nobody else is being treated the way you are is because nobody else is being foolish enough to turn to Cam and say "please prove your personal experience." I'm wearing tartan socks right now. I can present that as an absolute fact. This is a factually correct statement. It doesn't mean that I have empirical proof for you.

    What I said was, to paraphrase, "You said this is fact. You stated it as empirical. Don't you mean this is actually your own opinion based on your first hand anecdotal evidence." To which she responded, again to paraphrase, "It's not opinion. Its fact."
    Actually, I would have characterized what she said as "my experience has indicated such a strong trend towards this kind of behaviour that I feel safe asserting it as the industry standard." At least I thought the content was pretty clear.
    I don't see why when someone says something is fact a male member of the board can't say and be taken seriously and treated with some respect [I've been nothing if not respectful myself], "Ummm, that doesn't jive with what I've read, seen, been told by others in the industry, etc. Care to tell me why you state what you are saying is fact, and not opinion?"
    Again - you may recall that we have a history of being divergent on the nature of "respect". As for being a male member - I don't see it as particularly relevant. I pointed out that you are engaging in a typical male conversation-control behaviour - and you are. Typical male-conversation control mechanism tend to be... ineffective here. If you were really as reasonable and respectful as you say, you might consider taking that under advisement.
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    Default OK... pulled the triger too quick

    But you might be able to understand why when you consider one gets tired of having the reason you asked a legit question pinned on the fact that you have gonads and not ovaries.

    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    The only reason I say it is less likely in the industry is because there is a MUCH higher percentage of people who get tested for it regularly then there is in the general population. If even 50% of porn performers are tested for herpes, and 15% of the general population is tested regularly for herpes....well..it's pretty easy to do that math.
    This is info that can be discussed and its stated as opinion and not fact and it is definite reason to discuss it further.

    I can see why you might think so but you have to take into consideration that the 15% is moving amongst a much larger pool which consists of all people in the U.S., while the 50% pool is moving in very small, confined, boarders. The subset that is all performers in the porn industry in the U.S.

    As I noted above, that can cut both ways. If you manage to keep all infectious agents out of the subset it means you have a 100% chance of ever dealing with an infection agent. Conversely, it means that if an infectious agent slips in you run the risk of it running rampant in very short order due to the small pool of people interacting with each other on a regular basis. [Like the example I used above, a small office where someone catches a cold and than brings it to work with them. BTW, I'd expect people in the porn industry to get more colds than average for just that reason.]

    "A study led by Dr. Herbert Kaufman, Boyd Professor of Ophthalmology at Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center in New Orleans, published in the January issue of Investigative Ophthalmology & Visual Science, found that 98% of the participants who are healthy individuals with no evidence of any symptoms did in fact shed herpes simplex virus type I (HSV-1) DNA in their tears and saliva at least once during the course of the 30-day study."
    Ok, but how does that apply to what you were stating was fact. Seems to me it would suggest precisely the opposite. If, within the much larger master set 98% of all individuals shed HSV-1, how much more likely is it to find infected individuals in a sub-set of the master set that interacts more often, by percentage, with each other than the individuals in the master set do?

    ] Attributed to Sharon Mitchell: Herpes is always about 66%. People are medicated with acyclovir for herpes, which is very effective in preventing the herpes outbreaks.
    Ok, but again I ask how that proves your statement as fact that people are less likely to get Herpes on a porn set than in everyday life given the same reasoning as above. 66% of the general population, the low end of the spectrum given for HSV-1 infection in the general population [others say as high as 90%, the one I have seen accepted in the medical community by the AMA and CDC is 80%] acting in within the master pool and less active compared with more active and within the smaller sub-set.

    [/I]So...98% vs. 66%..theres empirical data for you![/QUOTE]

    It would seem to me, from a scientific standpoint, that you are making the case for there being greater risk, not less.

    But I do thank you from taking this from the realm of the ad hominem to that of actual discussion.

    Peace.
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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BmiWMT14 View Post
    You have brought up several points that were refuted by members of this board that ARE in the industry, and yet you won't accept what they are telling you. What is the obsession with being “right”??
    I don't have an obsession with being right. I have one with being accurate.

    Maybe it is because I use to work in a profession when if someone got it wrong some one's life got messed up because of it. I just expect people, when they say something is fact to be able to back it up. If not, say it is opinion.

    Especially on boards that profess to be support agents for people in a trade when people in that trade are saying things others may rely on in making up their minds about stuff.

    Geeze.
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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Of course it is. You are presenting a counter position and demanding that she prove hers to show that yours is wrong.
    Actually no I didn't. She literally said what she said was fact. I asked how she discerned it as such. I was questioned as to why I would ask and THAT is when I stated something to the effect of, "Well, because this is what I've heard and it doesn't match what you've just said."

    "please prove your personal experience."
    I'm not saying that at all. I'm not questioning her personal experience. I asked, quite politely too, as to why she would state her personal experience is equivalent to industry wide fact. Particularly if there is lots of stuff out there that says different.

    I'm wearing tartan socks right now. I can present that as an absolute fact. This is a factually correct statement. It doesn't mean that I have empirical proof for you.
    No, in fact, it isn't.

    No more than if I say, "I'm wearing a blue tee shirt right now." and claim it is fact. It is my representation of fact, but it doesn't make it so of its own accord. It might be fact and it might not. In a situation such as that the information is only as good as the source and no one with any scientific understanding of what a fact actually is would suggest it otherwise.

    Again - you may recall that we have a history of being divergent on the nature of "respect". As for being a male member - I don't see it as particularly relevant. I pointed out that you are engaging in a typical male conversation-control behaviour - and you are. Typical male-conversation control mechanism tend to be... ineffective here. If you were really as reasonable and respectful as you say, you might consider taking that under advisement.
    Because you say so?

    Look, you ask me to accept something as fact because someone who has some experience with the situation states it as fact.

    Then, out of the same keyboard, you refute the fact that I am being honest in my inquires and decidedly respectful in their presentation. This in the face of the fact that if there is an expert present who might know something about me it would be, in fact, ME.

    You don't see that as something of a paradox?

    Anyway, I know this is an uphill battle. I can try to make any points I can. I may even do it effectively. In fact its seems to me the better I do so the more apt I am to draw mod warnings, etc. You folks don't play fair around here. You can claim otherwise, and you might even believe it, but you don't just the same.

    No point trying make a case for intellectual honesty in these parts. I relinquish the ground before I get pummeled.
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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    I'm not saying that at all. I'm not questioning her personal experience. I asked, quite politely too, as to why she would state her personal experience is equivalent to industry wide fact. Particularly if there is lots of stuff out there that says different.
    I think she said that she was stating her experience was typical for her industry in her region.
    No, in fact, it isn't.

    No more than if I say, "I'm wearing a blue tee shirt right now." and claim it is fact. It is my representation of fact, but it doesn't make it so of its own accord. It might be fact and it might not. In a situation such as that the information is only as good as the source and no one with any scientific understanding of what a fact actually is would suggest it otherwise.
    And there you go. I could question your truthfulness or your veracity; but I don't think it is particularly fruitful in this case to question your definition of blue; even less do I see it as useful to be in fact questioning your veracity, while pretending to be questioning your definition of blue and asking for witness statements indicating whether or not it is truly blue, when what I'm really getting at is that I don't believe you. But there you go. I'm practical like that.
    Look, you ask me to accept something as fact because someone who has some experience with the situation states it as fact.
    Um. No I didn't. I suggest that demanding someone present proof of their anecdotal experience is an unreasonable demand; I also suggested that the fact that you know people who know people does not make you particularly reliable in comparison. I'm not asking you to accept anything.

    Then, out of the same keyboard, you refute the fact that I am being honest in my inquires and decidedly respectful in their presentation. This in the face of the fact that if there is an expert present who might know something about me it would be, in fact, ME.

    You don't see that as something of a paradox?
    No. I question your veracity; that is, I question the truth of your experience. As well, "respect" is hardly a specialty arena that you know more about than anyone else. It is not even remotely comparable.

    Anyway, I know this is an uphill battle. I can try to make any points I can. I may even do it effectively. In fact its seems to me the better I do so the more apt I am to draw mod warnings, etc. You folks don't play fair around here. You can claim otherwise, and you might even believe it, but you don't just the same.
    Yawn. The fact that we are not as deferential that you think we ought to be doesn't mean that we don't play fair. The fact that we don't find your arguments compelling doesn't mean that we don't play fair. The fact that it seems like you are not well liked here doesn't mean that something "unfair" is going on.
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    The only reason I say it is less likely in the industry is because there is a MUCH higher percentage of people who get tested for it regularly then there is in the general population. If even 50% of porn performers are tested for herpes, and 15% of the general population is tested regularly for herpes....well..it's pretty easy to do that math.

    "A study led by Dr. Herbert Kaufman, Boyd Professor of Ophthalmology at Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center in New Orleans, published in the January issue of Investigative Ophthalmology & Visual Science, found that 98% of the participants who are healthy individuals with no evidence of any symptoms did in fact shed herpes simplex virus type I (HSV-1) DNA in their tears and saliva at least once during the course of the 30-day study."


    ""About what percentage of actors and actresses in the industry are infected with various STDs, such as herpes, HIV, etc.?"
    Sharon Mitchell: "A very small percentage. Less than 7% HIV, and 12-28% STDs. Herpes is always about 66%. People are medicated with acyclovir for herpes, which is very effective in preventing the herpes outbreaks. Chlamydia and gonorrhea, however, along with hepatitis, seem to stick to everything from dildos to flat surfaces to hands, so, pardon my expression, but we are usually up to our a**es in chlamydia."

    Court TV Host: "Those are all pretty high percentages, though?"
    Sharon Mitchell: "Not when you consider that 700 people per month in the San Fernando Valley are working with each other. Most of these are co-infections. We are a partner notification facility, and all partners are located, detected and treated within one day of the original infected person coming forward."


    So...98% vs. 66%..theres empirical data for you!
    I would say that 7% is higher than the general american population for HIV. Herpes and HPV are hard to avoid wherever you are and the bacterial diseases are everywhere too but at least they are curable. But I would say that you probably have less of a chance of getting a disease on a porn set where at least everyone is tested regularly than if you have an annonymous bar or craig's list hookup considering most people don't get a regular check up once a year.

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    To answe the legitimate question about testing.

    Each costar is given a print out of test results before filming even starts. Its not the so called directors resonsibility.

    Either ones agent presents the test results or the actor/actress themselves do so. Biocollections (from Florida) has their own site and stars, producers and film companies have acess to it.

    AIM has charging stations across the country and with both the testee recieves a card with their number which is their password to acess to the results.

    No test results. No film. I've walked away from work because of sketchy stuff.

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    Ugh, I know I'm probably going to regret joining in on this thread, but I had to at least come here and tell ya'll that Cameron does know what she's talking about. We're both in LA shooting and our experiences are almost identical when it comes to dealing with STD's and all of that.
    If we're both *in* the industry and we both have almost the exact same experiences, I'm betting we're not the only two girls who have the opinions we have. Soooo, unless you're in the industry, I'm more inclined to believe people like Cameron over a random person on the street/internet/whatever.

    *Slinks out of thread and back into the dark*

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    Oh for crying out loud. I'm out of this thread. You wanted info, I gave it to you. You wanted data, I gave that to you too. You dont want to have a discussion...you want to push your opinion and you're getting irritated that people arent agreeing with you.

    To Joplin..who actually asked a question rather then assuming..yes, we see and sign off on co-stars tests before shooting. I dont trust anyone,and most places require that you sign and verify that you saw all talents test and that those tests were clean.
    Yes,people do pick things up within those 28 days...that why I said that STD's do still exist in the industry. But if a random person had sex with as many people as porn performers do...in the "real world" they would MUCH more likely to pick something up. THe odds would be stacked against them since chances are higher that nobody involved ever gets tested.

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