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    I am curious how the dancer members of this board sees themselves, as a population, vs. the general population of dancers you have all known at the various clubs you have worked at. I'm curious because I think certain traits that are over- or under-represented here might skew the opinions you see here (both to customers and amongst each other) from what you would get if you asked the same questions of dancers-at-large. (Wasn't that a Russ Meyer movie?)

    For example, I think I see these few differences (and they are just my opinions, I know that presenting them as "the truth" will just get me flogged):

    - those here seem much more dedicated to "the business", more professional and long-term strippers, than the general population, which seems to have a lot of girls who just float in and out of stripping from time to time, with no real business direction or aim
    - (related) those here seem to be a bit older than the average
    - (also related) those here seem to be more intelligent and/or educated than the average
    - the "bad girls" (thieves, drugs, extras) seem to be severely underrepresented here....or at least very few (none?) are openly on the board

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    Shoot, I'm a total drifter. I have pretensions of real money but I'm laaaaaaaazy.

    And I don't think a lot of girls here choose to keep their alcohol/drug usage a private matter. There've been lots of threads on it as well as individual posts. Although you're right, I don't think thieves would out themselves here or find anything but hostility if they did. To a lesser degree, I'd postulate, same with extras girls.

    Older? I see so many baby strippers on here, it makes me cry for me in my 24yo dotage. But I guess we have a cross-section from all ages.

    Smarter/more educated? Don't know enough about the rest of the girls I work with but I'd surmise that's so. This place was made to share techniques, information, perspectives, etc. It's bound to leave everyone smarter for reading it. (With the possible exception of the Drunk thread, which actually kills brain cells every time you open it.) So we're smart because we know that we don't know it all and therefore must seek others who can teach us.

    Overall I think SW is the creamiest cream of the crop.


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    Yawn. I hate this. I mean, I realize that you don't intend to be so condescending, so I'm trying to be nice about it but the whole "you're not representative of most dancers" is just code for more of the stereotype that we deal with every day - we just get to be the exception.
    a) keep in mind that dancers in clubs are working and dancers here are not. THAT changes the way you see us probably more than anything else. I mean, it is kind of the obvious difference.
    b) you just... there is no point in discussing whether or not dancer here are "more intelligent" than average. Instead I would question - who are you to think that you are even in a position to evaluate our relative intelligence? Personally, I doubt many customers are in a good position to understand how intelligent I am, much less how intelligent I am compared to them (scoff - now see? How do you like it?); certainly much less how intelligent I am compared to some of the ladies I work with. I decline to have my intelligence evaluated by a guy whose qualification is that he walked into a strip club. I have guys that I pay to do that; I call them "professors" and they already give me grades.
    c) there are "bad people" in every industry. Because our job includes emotional and sexual labour I could see more guys feeling robbed - but that doesn't make it true; but honestly I've seen more customers screw over dancers than vice versa. I've also seen more customers engage in concerted and planned "bad behaviour" than dancers.
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    ACtually I think we're pretty representative of the average "normal girl" dancer, with a few flakes here and there and also a few super strippers.

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    I think the only main difference between the typical SW girl and the typical stripper is that to be an SW girl, one must have a computer. Not all strippers have computers. I believe the internet plays a huge part in the differentiation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColetteCalahan View Post
    I think the only main difference between the typical SW girl and the typical stripper is that to be an SW girl, one must have a computer. Not all strippers have computers. I believe the internet plays a huge part in the differentiation.
    Yup, I think that plays a large part in it. You wouldn't believe how often I cringe when I see girls at work pay $100 for a dress bought off the housemom whereas they could've gone on ebay or somewhere and got it for $15.







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    Jenny, you're definitely one who I was thinking of when I said those on here seem more intelligent than most dancers you see on the street. (Not that you see any dancers on the street, but you know what I mean).

    I guess what prompted me to post this is going through some threads in different forums and seeing the same complaints about other girls that I've seen last year and the year before (and presume that I will see next year and the year after). She gave her time away for free...stupid extras girls....someone stole my crap grrrrr.

    So where are all the girls who are doing that crap? Are they not here too?

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    In addition to the rest of the replys (which I totally agree with), how do you know how dedicated your club's dancer are? Sure they say they go out to party every night, but true? Who knows? They may be home after work watching Futurama.

    Also, they may be a 'strippah 4 life', but are they going to tell you that? Noooooo. They may go home an track their earnings on Quicken, constantly invest/save/etc., but few of us would tell a custy that.

    As for age and intelligence, most custies assume we are 18 and stupid. You don't know our real age. Some young girls add years and some older girls cut a few off. And I can assure you that no one, (with the exception of maybe a custie from here) knows how smart I am, my real age or any of those other details.

    We might be more well spoken then the average girl you meet, but how do you know that when she goes home, that chick yelling "That's my song!" onstage isn't a totally different person? You don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post
    Jenny, you're definitely one who I was thinking of when I said those on here seem more intelligent than most dancers you see on the street. (Not that you see any dancers on the street, but you know what I mean).

    I guess what prompted me to post this is going through some threads in different forums and seeing the same complaints about other girls that I've seen last year and the year before (and presume that I will see next year and the year after). She gave her time away for free...stupid extras girls....someone stole my crap grrrrr.

    So where are all the girls who are doing that crap? Are they not here too?
    Plenty of them. A lot of that is sales skills. Some of us have them, some of us are working on them, some have none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    b) you just... there is no point in discussing whether or not dancer here are "more intelligent" than average. Instead I would question - who are you to think that you are even in a position to evaluate our relative intelligence? Personally, I doubt many customers are in a good position to understand how intelligent I am, much less how intelligent I am compared to them (scoff - now see? How do you like it?); certainly much less how intelligent I am compared to some of the ladies I work with. I decline to have my intelligence evaluated by a guy whose qualification is that he walked into a strip club. I have guys that I pay to do that; I call them "professors" and they already give me grades.
    Why can't he judge your intelligence? I"m sure you judge mine. I think the majority of you ladies are above the average intelligence. Why do I think this? Because you act more intelligent than most of the people I deal with everyday... Everything is not some hidden attack at strippers in general...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    Why can't he judge your intelligence? I"m sure you judge mine. I think the majority of you ladies are above the average intelligence. Why do I think this? Because you act more intelligent than most of the people I deal with everyday... Everything is not some hidden attack at strippers in general...
    The reason he can't judge my intelligence is because I don't think he is in a good position to judge my intelligence and compare it to girls in his local club. I doubt his qualifications to engage in this comparison of intelligence with any ability to yield reasonable or accurate results (no offence Everyman).
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    ^^^ So who does have qualifications to say you're intelligent Jenny?

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    Rose, I'm not every man (I'm just Everyman), but I can tell you that for me, a dancer's sexiness shoots waaaaayyyyyyy up when I detect that she's smart and has reasons behind what she's doing, rather than just kind of stumbling through this job and through life.

    As for being able to detect things about people (like intelligence), I believe you can, even through acts. Especially if you meet them more than once, which I generally have. It reminds me of an old Bill Maher rant, he was pissed that someone said you can't tell someone's race on the phone. If you're trying to pick up on it (just like if you're trying to pick up on subtle things about a dancer), you can. Not all us "custies" are drunk dolts.

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    I'm sorry - do you want a list of people? Look, I'm sorry if it bothers you that I don't find customers patting me on the head and telling me that I'm a smart girl to be complimentary; even less do I find it complimentary when those same customers point to another girl about whom they have a similar dearth of knowledge and say "and I can tell that you're much smarter than her." This is not an issue of having an opinion - it's an issue of an assumption of inveterate superiority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    I'm sorry - do you want a list of people? Look, I'm sorry if it bothers you that I don't find customers patting me on the head and telling me that I'm a smart girl to be complimentary; even less do I find it complimentary when those same customers point to another girl about whom they have a similar dearth of knowledge and say "and I can tell that you're much smarter than her." This is not an issue of having an opinion - it's an issue of an assumption of inveterate superiority.
    You don't know how well he knows the dancers he's comparing you too, and even still the issue is you assuming he thinks he is superior... For all you know he could be a fucking professional doing a study... You're looked at this and said "he's saying strippers are dumb!" and you can't see past that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post
    Rose, I'm not every man (I'm just Everyman), but I can tell you that for me, a dancer's sexiness shoots waaaaayyyyyyy up when I detect that she's smart and has reasons behind what she's doing, rather than just kind of stumbling through this job and through life.

    As for being able to detect things about people (like intelligence), I believe you can, even through acts. Especially if you meet them more than once, which I generally have. It reminds me of an old Bill Maher rant, he was pissed that someone said you can't tell someone's race on the phone. If you're trying to pick up on it (just like if you're trying to pick up on subtle things about a dancer), you can. Not all us "custies" are drunk dolts.
    Of course not ALL custies are drunk dolts, but it's not a stretch to say most are. And most do NOT like intelligence above 'oh, you're clever'. At least not at the sc. Most are not overanalyzing strippers in the way you are. Generally, we like it that way. If you're going to try and pick up subtlties in my (or anyone's) personality, it's often better to just not tell them. Or draw any conclusions.

    And I must agree with Jenny's post, just above.

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    Jenny, I think you would like me better in real life than you do through my words here. (That's not saying much though, is it?)

    In real life I tend to suppress my inveterate superiority in the in the interest of interpersonal relations, but here I let it all hang out. (;

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    You don't know how well he knows the dancers he's comparing you too, and even still the issue is you assuming he thinks he is superior... For all you know he could be a fucking professional doing a study... You're looked at this and said "he's saying strippers are dumb!" and you can't see past that.
    No, as long as I am reading Jenny right, she is NOT saying this. She's saying 'Stop trying to make these stupid conclusions based on an internet forum and experiences in a strip club that try to show how observant and intuitive you are.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post

    - those here seem much more dedicated to "the business", more professional and long-term strippers, than the general population, which seems to have a lot of girls who just float in and out of stripping from time to time, with no real business direction or aim
    Im not a long term stripper, im going to make the most of the opportunity until I begin my professional career, which at the moment I am in no real hurry to begin.

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    - (related) those here seem to be a bit older than the average
    No there is as much of an age range in the club as there is here on SW.

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    - (also related) those here seem to be more intelligent and/or educated than the average
    I can only speak for my particular club. The girls are mostly of average and above average intelligence. Some are enrolled in university or doing other courses while others are not. I have 2 degrees - one bachelor degree and one masters degree, so do others on SW but I have also worked with a few who have varying degrees.

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    - the "bad girls" (thieves, drugs, extras) seem to be severely underrepresented here....or at least very few (none?) are openly on the board
    there isn't many at my club.
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    SW is a wild and varied bunch. Some girls are brilliant, some girls are psycho, some are sorta in the middle, some are dumb, some are dedicated, some are flaky, some are career dancers, some are part-time, etc.

    I think a club plays the biggest role in segregating dancers. Birds of a feather flock together, and one club could be more representative of a particular group than another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Personally, I doubt many customers are in a good position to understand how intelligent I am, much less how intelligent I am compared to them
    And whose fault is it that the custies don't know how smart the dancers are? If you don't show your intelligence, which you aren't, then they wont know.

    P.S. You seem to want to be the "king ding-a-ling" around here while accusing others of "inveterate superiority". You make too many assumptions as to people's motives and/or perspectives. Granted, He may not have all the info but the info he has is what his perspective is based on. If you are sooooo tired of guys being condescending, then try NOT BEING CONDESCENDING yourself. Do unto others.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    You're looked at this and said "he's saying strippers are dumb!" and you can't see past that.
    This is just... inaccurate. That is not what I said.

    For all you know he could be a fucking professional doing a study...
    In what? How smart dancers are? How smart I am? Let's not be foolish in order to make our points.
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    how about:

    the dancers here on this forum are addicted to the internet.

    that's about the best conclusion i could draw up. want me to work it out on paper for you? or maybe i could make a spiffy illustration via MSpaint?

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    Quote Originally Posted by InLoveWithaStripper View Post
    And whose fault is it that the custies don't know how smart the dancers are? If you don't show your intelligence, which you aren't, then they wont know.

    P.S. You seem to want to be the "king ding-a-ling" around here while accusing others of "inveterate superiority". You make too many assumptions as to people's motives and/or perspectives. Granted, He may not have all the info but the info he has is what his perspective is based on. If you are sooooo tired of guys being condescending, then try NOT BEING CONDESCENDING yourself. Do unto others.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post
    I am curious how the dancer members of this board sees themselves, as a population, vs. the general population of dancers you have all known at the various clubs you have worked at.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    ...keep in mind that dancers in clubs are working and dancers here are not.
    Jenny's point is well taken - you are comparing apples with oranges (and grapes).

    (a) Dancers in a work environment are very diffferent from dancers outside of work. I know one that plays dumb as hell at work, but is actually very intelligent.

    She hustles like hell at work and is a top earner - which hacks off some of the other dancers. In consequence they don't talk to her much and probably buy into the "dumb as hell" conversation they overhear.

    Any attempt to judge her intelligence is inevitably going to be biased because many of the dancers who know her have a misleading impression of her.

    (b) My experience of dancers outside of work is that most are not interested in discussing what they do when they're at home, etc - they have other ways of filling their time. Accordingly, the dancers who post on here are unrepresentative in that they *do* discuss work.

    You've thus got an immediate difference between SW posters and the dancer population at large. There's almost certainly no difference in intelligence - but there is a big difference in attitude.

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