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    Default Charging $140 for $100 VIP?

    I worked for a night at club that seems alright so I want to give it a shot. Its Rush Hour in LIC for you NYC people.

    The pricing system works like this:
    LDs are $25 per song (dancer keeps $20) and are done in a separate room with alot of chairs.

    Private booths are $100 every 15mins. (dancer keeps $60) The booths are curtained for privacy. No one seems to tip extra for these dances unless you ask. Obviously with a system like this, its more profitable to do $25 LDs.

    Keep in mind the other clubs in the area charge $160-180 for a 15min private. Customers here tend to want alot for thier money, too.

    Should I just name my own price for the room? I was thinking about asking for $140 for a 15min booth dance. That way, I walk away with a definite $100 for a 15min chunk of time. The customer would be paying the extra for the privacy and touching.

    I dont think the management cares about overcharging; i know the owner and all he cares about is money. He knows if we're happy we'll make him money. If it is a problem, I'd rather just deal with it when it happens. The $60 is comission for selling the room, but girls dont exploit that.

    With the $25 dances, assuming the songs are (arguably) 5mins long, the customer would be paying $75 (60 for dancer) for 15mins, but theres no privacy and no touching. HOWEVER, they very rarely get more than 2 or 3 dances, so seldom would I make more than $60 per customer. If a customer did shell out $100 in dances, I would make $80 in 20mins.

    Does anyone have a different spin on this?
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    Default Re: Charging $140 for $100 VIP?

    If the guys finds out you are charging more for the VIP and complains to management you could get in trouble. Some clubs are really strict about over-charging customers. I always ask after the room if they want to tip me maybe that will work for you.

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    You are an independent contracter. It is completely LEGAL for you to name your own prices.

    I have found that Customers only complain to mgmt if you rip them off. As long as they know upfront how much you are charging and you deliver a product they are happy with then there isn't a problem.

    I work at a club that you "GET IN BIG TROUBLE" if you charge more than $10 a dance in VIP. (Not kidding) I always charge more and have never "gotten in trouble" Management doesn't really care if you charge more...they only care if THEY have to deal with unhappy customers.
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    Default Re: Charging $140 for $100 VIP?

    Quote Originally Posted by britneyireland View Post
    You are an independent contracter. It is completely LEGAL for you to name your own prices.

    ^^^ in theory...
    you may want to check your dancer contract (assuming you have one) to make sure this isn't in violation of it. the contract at all of the clubs i've worked at states that overcharging customers for dances is a breach of our contract and could result in warning/fines/termination...so i would rather be safe than sorry. if your contract doesn't mention anything about it....charge what you wanna and pocket the difference.

    good luck to yas

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    Concentrate on selling the $25 lap dances, and selling a second lap dance to every customer. (You should always be asking "do you want to continue" or a similar question at the close of each song anyway!)

    I'd rather make $50 in seven minutes (two songs out on the floor) than $60 for 15 minutes plus the time it takes to get them to the VIP area and collect your money.

    To conserve time (time is money) you might be able to exclusively sell half-hour time blocks to customers, and only do the 15-minute sessions if they specifically request it. Just name your terms as if you do it every day all day, without batting an eye. "It's $250 for half an hour" or whatnot. Try it and see.

    You also might want to change up your hustle depending on what the traffic flow that comes through your club on certain days. On slower days, you could concentrate on selling half hour blocks, and backing down to a $25 sale if they don't bite. On busy nights, sell as many $25 dances as possible.
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    My clubs prices are so friggin cheap ($10 for a VIP??? C'mon now) and the clients are usually out of towners who are used to paying $20 for a regular lapdance....so they think they are getting a DEAL for a $20 VIP dance.

    There is a difference between "charging more" and negotiating a mutually acceptable price. You only violate your contract if you "charge more" but if you negotiate an agreeable price with the customer BEFORE you go to VIP, then you provide the agreed upon services (i.e. don't promise contact that you won't deliver), and you collect your money...then mgmt never enters the equation.

    I don't have to use a lot of creative lines. Just gain rapport with the customer, then negotiate a mutually acceptable price. If he balks, then I do a $10 air dance. When he tries to touch me I say, "No no no....I GAVE you the option for the $20 dance, but you CHOSE to stay here. You get what you pay for!"
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    Default Re: Charging $140 for $100 VIP?

    Quote Originally Posted by britneyireland View Post
    There is a difference between "charging more" and negotiating a mutually acceptable price. You only violate your contract if you "charge more" but if you negotiate an agreeable price with the customer BEFORE you go to VIP, then you provide the agreed upon services (i.e. don't promise contact that you won't deliver), and you collect your money...then mgmt never enters the equation."
    EXACTLY.

    Oh yeah, this is new york city, there are no contracts. ive only seen one since i started and after showing it to a lawyer, he said it was bullshit.

    Oh and i made a mistake on the formula. I spoke to the DJ, he said songs are 3 minutes long. So that means that a customer would have to spend $125 for 15mins worth of dances. which means that i would $100.

    BUT! If it were as simple as asking if they wanted to continue on additional songs, i wouldnt be trying to figure a better solution that would secure a certain amount for a set block of time. As you all know, some clubs attract certain income bracket clientele. At this club, guys typically buy no more than 3 dances. On a slow night, this really makes a difference. A busy night is a different thing altogether.

    I tried the $140 approach, the customer agreed to it, but I knew he was gonna be a pain in the ass cuz he asked a million questions. it was a REALLY slow night, so i had to take what i could get. I made the mistake of telling the custy to pay 140 in front of manager, who collects the money. But i had already explained everything to the customer. the manager said, "its not 140, it 100!" I told the manager that we agreed to this price, he responded, "well, i dont agree!" It didnt matter--we agreed to it and thats what i got.

    So yeah, i am idiot. next time im just gonna give the manager the $100 and keep it moving. im still not doing a private for $60 on ANY day of the week.
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    we get in trouble here for overcharging but tipping is different. its 20 per dance here 100 for 15 min and i tell the guys if you TIP me 20 per dance (extra 100 for vip) ill make it really dirty (my dirty is big, exagerated porno facial expressions, lots of breathing on thier neck, moaning, and a regular lap dance, lol they totally fall for it and think its worth it) and if they dont go for it i give a shitty airdance with eyecontact (think i wanna fuck u and look at them, they'll feel it) and they almost always go for the higher option for the second dance. i had one guy get a reg dance, upgrade to a 40 dance, then go in vip for 200 (since 100 was tip i got 165 out of it, 198 totall). except for last night one guy was really drunk and had to run his creditcard, and when she asked how much money he wanted, he told her however much the dirty dance is (made me look good, huh?) oh, and money up front, if they think about it afterwards, some dont want to pony up the "tip"

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    Default Re: Charging $140 for $100 VIP?

    okay i found better phrasing, still works; "it'll be much more involved" or "ill make it the best u can get"

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    I tend to phrase statements like "the GOOD dances are x dollars."

    I work in a club where there's lame $20 floor dances where you have to stand up on a metal stand that's really uncomfortable and awkward.

    so I say, "well what would you like? the air dances or the good dances?"
    if they want to know about both I say, "Well the air dances are no contact, and are $20. For $60, we get to go into the back vip room and I can give you a contact lapdance where I can wrap my legs around you. "

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    i upchrage and as long as i let them know up front i rarely get a no.

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    I pitch my line for dances and then say something like "I can tell you'd rather have a hot and naughty dance than a sweet and sexy dance. So it's only XXX for XX minutes back there in that PRIVATE, INTIMATE booth." Make it sound like a deal, use positive body language, start leading the way, bite your lip or do whatever else you do when you get fake turned on at the thought of them being alone with you.

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    I do it all the time. "It's twenty for a regular dance, or forty for a naughty one!" "It's a hundred dollars for fifteen minutes, and a forty dollar tip if you want me to get naughty!"



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    I always upcharge, but that's because I'm worth it. You've gotta decide... are you worth it? If you KNOW you are, than damnit, upcharge.

    Although I tend to ask management what the 'minimum sale price' of dances is. Hahaha. And then I pull a face and go, "I can get more. Watch." And do.


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    exactly. id say only once a night i get turned down based on the upcharge. if they want it they will pay it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lysondra View Post
    I always upcharge, but that's because I'm worth it. You've gotta decide... are you worth it? If you KNOW you are, than damnit, upcharge.

    Although I tend to ask management what the 'minimum sale price' of dances is. Hahaha. And then I pull a face and go, "I can get more. Watch." And do.

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